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smokess
Selective Hearing Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.09.19 08:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:It does seem silly that Concord allow people to scam so blatantly in local. It's not like they're good scams and I can't imagine it's all that profitable for the scammers either. On the other hand, it does add life to Jita local to give it that third world street market appeal... you know the kind of place where they beg tourists to buy their fake Rolex watches or some souvenir junk. Maybe India or somewhere like that.
Why? Concord provide consequences for criminal actions according to very strict rules. The lore states they never deviate from them. I can fully see why they would not interfer with local given that commercial interaction is not their remit.
'They' probably take the stance, as should most people I think, that you are responsible for your own failings in game. Read the contract before you click accept (it takes 10 seconds of your time) and you will never be scammed. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.09.19 08:04:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:well lets be honest here. What happened was contract was - you pay 350 mil - you get plex -you also pay plex
it SHOULD have failed unless he had a plex in his hanger to start, but it doesn't. the game takes your isk, gives you a plex then takes it right back. when in reality it shouldn't, yea it is an old scam but it is confusing to newer players and tbh it's stupid. I am all for scams, but it might as well be considered a bug in the contract system that never got fixed. Interesting. I though it only works "against" people who buy several plex at once (and thus have that plex they are supposed to pay accordingly to the contract). But it's not like EVE doesn't check if you have requested items when contract is accepted, so if it indeed works this way, it's strange and smells like intended (if lame) design.
Still, reading your contract works fine. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
26
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:25:00 -
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For every repetitive copypasta in local in Jita CONCORD should take tax in logarythmic order, from 1M to the infinity. |
Vojk
Bumbaclot Nights
28
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:47:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:
pricks
MAI NOT REAL MONAIEZ D:
MAI SPAECSHIPZ D:
Relax brother. They're having fun, I suggest you do the same. |
Zeran Kariashi
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:51:00 -
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I fail to see a problem here. Read the contract...simple as that, or simply don't use contracts period if you're really paranoid. With exception of contraband or large scale shipping there are few things you really need to bother with contracts anyway, just use the market for everything else.
99.99999999997% of people playing Eve know it's reputation for scamming, ganking, and all-round douchebaggery before they even get started, and anyone that forgets that suffers their due fate.
That said, I actually find Eve to be one of the most relaxing games I've ever played, because there's no rush to top, no overarching story-based goal that goads you onward, real-time constant training removes the need to sweat over any downtime or worry about wasting game time since your character is chugging right on along whether you play or not. You do what you want to do, at the pace you want to do it. Nothing more, nothing less. There's very few games that can genuinely claim the same. You take a little bit of precaution and minimize your risks and can have a very enjoyable experience. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
363
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:04:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Every contract is a scam, even the legit ones.
Use the market.
Hello margin trade
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4858
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:11:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Remember, this sort of scam fails 100% of the time when you take 5 seconds to read the contract.
Caveat emptor. tbh if CCP just banned the spambots right away there would be much less spam and actual scams with effort.
The problem is more the constant spam than the actual scam. Just taking a look at how many bots there are in Jita makes you realize that the scam is not the problem but the spam.
/c
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
26
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:42:00 -
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Spam spAm SpAm sPaM spAM SpaM spam.
More spam.
Spam with eggs, spam with ham, spam with bread, spam with spam.
^Jita local.
Tax the bastards. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
364
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:45:00 -
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Chribba wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Remember, this sort of scam fails 100% of the time when you take 5 seconds to read the contract.
Caveat emptor. tbh if CCP just banned the spambots right away there would be much less spam and actual scams with effort. The problem is more the constant spam than the actual scam. Just taking a look at how many bots there are in Jita makes you realize that the scam is not the problem but the spam. /c
I know someone - might be you chribba- had a graph a few years back showing how often specific people spammed their scams/contract on a daily and hourly base in jita showing they could only have been automated spams.Wondering if CCP even gave that thread a look ...
For myself i never even look at jita local , even when i'm trading there i got it shut down it's 99 % crap/scam anywayz. |
Robert De'Arneth
44
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:49:00 -
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Our CEO just got scammed on the Faction mod scam, lost 800 mil. A few things he did not do, come here and cry, come to corp and cry, come to TS and cry. He took the razzing he was given in corp, and went back to making ISK. The reason he did not do those things was pretty simple, it was not the scammers fault, it was his.
There are many games that will hold your hand and allow you to dance and sing in circles with your freinds, EVE is not one of them. |
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Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:51:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Faction mod scam, lost 800 mil.. Is that the one where they sell you the mod and then gank you and steal it right back again? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4860
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:01:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Chribba wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Remember, this sort of scam fails 100% of the time when you take 5 seconds to read the contract.
Caveat emptor. tbh if CCP just banned the spambots right away there would be much less spam and actual scams with effort. The problem is more the constant spam than the actual scam. Just taking a look at how many bots there are in Jita makes you realize that the scam is not the problem but the spam. /c I know someone - might be you chribba- had a graph a few years back showing how often specific people spammed their scams/contract on a daily and hourly base in jita showing they could only have been automated spams.Wondering if CCP even gave that thread a look ... For myself i never even look at jita local , even when i'm trading there i got it shut down it's 99 % crap/scam anywayz. I've posted such stuff here and there yes, latest one not too long ago.
Easy to check bots - just check this guy http://evelocal.com/p/Raphael_Sheen (and his stats), I first reported him as a bot on 2012-07-17 so yeah 2 months later his still OBVIOUS spamming(botting) is still going on.
/c
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Robert De'Arneth
44
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:01:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Faction mod scam, lost 800 mil.. Is that the one where they sell you the mod and then gank you and steal it right back again?
Nope it is the one where they place them up for sale for like 800 mil and place a buy order in another region that shows a 200 mil profit, and then they remove the buy order. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1178
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:04:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Scammers take advantage of stupidity, greed & laziness, if you read the contracts carefully you have next to nil risk of getting scammed.
TL;DR Treat every contract as a scam and learn to read
This.
Don't be stupid, greedy or lazy and you won't get scammed. It's really quite simple.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1340
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:11:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Faction mod scam, lost 800 mil.. Is that the one where they sell you the mod and then gank you and steal it right back again? Nope it is the one where they place them up for sale for like 800 mil and place a buy order in another region that shows a 200 mil profit, and then they remove the buy order.
ahh the good old margin trading scam, lost 600 million to that bugger, I now own a bestower named "don't play drunk" with a worthless item in cargo. If you have any sense you only ever get caught the once
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
586
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:15:00 -
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I alwayss assume that the scammer is smarter than me, understands Eve better than me, and wants to make a fool out of me.
My solution...I never buy from contracts.
Having said that, some of them are so obvious that a player would have to be very drunk to fall for them.
You want fries with that? |
Jim Era
3193
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:23:00 -
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I've never been scammed yet. I've had lots try, but if you pay attention and don't be a blundering fool you can easily avoid them. |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.09.19 16:06:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Faction mod scam, lost 800 mil.. Is that the one where they sell you the mod and then gank you and steal it right back again? Nope it is the one where they place them up for sale for like 800 mil and place a buy order in another region that shows a 200 mil profit, and then they remove the buy order.
That ones actually pretty clever. It's the dumb repetive posting in Jita local that gives it away every time |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
201
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Posted - 2012.09.19 16:36:00 -
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EglantinFinfleur wrote:This is why scamming can be considered as the epitome and most sweet pvp in EvE. It's absolutely void of consequences and takes zero effort except copypasting in local. You can also ridicule the victims, pretend they're utterly dumb and you're doing New Eden a social darwinism service by getting rid of those people, who are in fact standard gamers who naively believe that EvE is a game.
There are more complicated scams than just "Selling plex for 340m [oh and for a plex]" and all the copy paste contracts in local. Some of them require actually having conversations with marks and talking them through your scheme all the while influencing their level of greed and desire for "easy money." Social engineering is an exhilarating process in itself.
But you are right, ridiculing someone who just gave away a billion isk for practically nothing because they were blindsided by greed or the "good intentions of EVE players everywhere!" is also a fun time.
But I am also an evil person and I'm going to Hell, so what do I know. |
Ryhss
Android Gang Stealth Syndicate
12
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Posted - 2012.09.19 18:09:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:So after a long absence of this game i gave it another shot.. Have been travelling on several other market hubs but when i entered in Jita.. wow.
The scamming is absurd. Buying plex for 350mil, only to find out you'll also give a plex along with 350 mil... or buying 2plex for 1.2b only to find out he'll only pay1.2m
wtf?
I'm all into the player-run thing but i think this is over the top. I've read many scams in the past.. like ponzi schemes turned bad or corporation thievery. Those are classy. It takes effort.
But this? Pure absurd. There's no merit in this. People are deliberatly, in-your-face, taking advantage of a game mechanic in order to trick you into basically giving away your wealth, and more.
I'm all for regulating this type of activity. Just as you get flagged for killing people on secure areas, so should this behavior be criminalized. How to punish them? well.. just out of my head
Once a player gets flagged for promoting scams he should be flagged, and all his transactions would require manual verification. That should teach the pricks. Scammin is legal in Eve.... |
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Denidil
Evocations of Shadow Eternal Evocations
523
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Posted - 2012.09.19 18:22:00 -
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hey whiners who cannot bother to read contracts
contract me all your stuff. i promise i will read the contracts on your behalf.
that being said.. scammers are ANNOYING, who da **** is stupid enough to fall for the scams though? Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design. |
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
190
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Posted - 2012.09.19 18:23:00 -
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It is strange that four of the Empires have no police, especially Amarr. Normally scams like these get you arrested, so the no consequence thing makes little sense. Then again those are the "sandbox" mechanics so like many things we just have to accept and suspend belief. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
617
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:27:00 -
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Just don't use contracts ever! And block anyone you see in Jita if you have to go there.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
3051
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:34:00 -
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Shadow Ripper wrote:So after a long absence of this game i gave it another shot.. Have been travelling on several other market hubs but when i entered in Jita.. wow.
The scamming is absurd. Buying plex for 350mil, only to find out you'll also give a plex along with 350 mil... or buying 2plex for 1.2b only to find out he'll only pay1.2m
wtf?
I'm all into the player-run thing but i think this is over the top. I've read many scams in the past.. like ponzi schemes turned bad or corporation thievery. Those are classy. It takes effort.
But this? Pure absurd. There's no merit in this. People are deliberatly, in-your-face, taking advantage of a game mechanic in order to trick you into basically giving away your wealth, and more.
I'm all for regulating this type of activity. Just as you get flagged for killing people on secure areas, so should this behavior be criminalized. How to punish them? well.. just out of my head
Once a player gets flagged for promoting scams he should be flagged, and all his transactions would require manual verification. That should teach the pricks.
I think you just bought the most expensive unit of tritanium.....am I right?
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
244
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:40:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Remember, this sort of scam fails 100% of the time when you take 5 seconds to read the contract.
Caveat emptor. 5 seconds? FIVE SECONDS!
Bah, effort......
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Silk daShocka
Lawn Dart Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:44:00 -
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The contract system used to be much worse, and favored the scammer much more in the past IIRC.
The only scam that I've seen recently that is something that I would consider taking advantage of game mechanics would be the tengu + skillbooks (instead of actual subs) since in the contract it's not really well written that you're buying skill books. I think though that the devs did the best they could with the contracts, I dont feel it should be expected to make the system absolutely perfect.
Either way, I disagree with the OP, the contracts have gotten much better then when I used to play internet spaceships. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
24
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:45:00 -
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100% agree with the OP. Anyone caught scamming should have their account nuked with no reprieve.
Lame fucks. The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |
Joshua Lonestar
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:53:00 -
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I'm all for scams, but PLEX scamming should be a permaban situation IMO. I'm just waiting to see what happens when someone gets scammed on PLEX so says "Well F you" and does a chargeback. That should be interesting. |
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
190
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:56:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:100% agree with the OP. Anyone caught scamming should have their account nuked with no reprieve.
Lame fucks.
Wouldn't go that far, but there should be risk or punishment of some sort. Say a chance of scam failing and loosing your own cash, a bit of Russian roulette wouldn't hurt.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
564
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:05:00 -
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Look. The scammers are performing a service. They teach you how to spot scams. They teach you to check for that sort of thing. Their mere presence makes you a better, more cautious consumer, and you blame them for this?
Falling for a Jita scam is often a newbie's first true greeting to the world of Eve. The realization that everything in Jita local is a scam, is a valuable experience. A few will get scammed and quit, sure. But a bunch more will start plotting their own crimes, inspired by how easy it is to earn money through bastardry. |
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