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Imperial Assasin
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Posted - 2005.02.24 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Imperial Assasin on 24/02/2005 20:21:01
......you carebears really should pay the ransom, being an honorable pirate, I count on the carebears to care about their ships and to pay a small fee to keep them, thus I earn my living, and the carebear can keep carebearing...not like this post will make a difference, but I just had to say it, thank you
Pay Up Carebears!
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claire xxx
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Posted - 2005.02.24 20:29:00 -
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Maybe the badly spelt name makes them realise that u are in real need of a good glass of milk and the ransom money would only lead u into a life of fizz bombs and cola bottles, and that would be really bad.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.02.24 20:30:00 -
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Speaking as a quasi-carebear, I can tell you my answer is a resounding no.
If you want to make money, go earn it instead of preying on another's hard work.
In addition, the practice of "tolling" or "randsoming" pretty much no longer works.
It began to no longer viable partly due to game mechanics, but in most part to players podding other players after the fine was paid.
I'm not spending a nickel to someone who presents a good chance of popping my hauler and capsule after being paid.
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.02.24 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Miner's Bane on 24/02/2005 20:55:48
 Originally by: Gungankllr
It began to no longer viable partly due to game mechanics, but in most part to players podding other players after the fine was paid.
I'm not spending a nickel to someone who presents a good chance of popping my hauler and capsule after being paid.
SO, does repeating a myth often enough really make it true?
I know that in the last 6 months, I've seen about a half-dozen posts naming pirates killed them after a ransom was paid. I've seen probably a thousand posts proclaiming that if you pay a ransom you will be shot anyway.
Pretty much anyone who will bother to ransom you, will honor that ransom. If they dont, you post on the forums and noone pays them ever again.
You also seem to imply that pirating is the 'easy' way to play. Mmmmmhmmmm. Its definately easier to pirate then mine or run lvl 4 agent missions, right?
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Koda
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Posted - 2005.02.24 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr
It began to no longer viable partly due to game mechanics, but in most part to players podding other players after the fine was paid.
I'm not spending a nickel to someone who presents a good chance of popping my hauler and capsule after being paid.
I can understand if a player reject ransoms on principle. But I've seen little evidence either in game or on the forums of pirates podding players who've paid ransom.
I can only recall one recent instance and that individual was thoroughly lambasted for his actions.
What sometimes happens is the target either smacks his way into the cloning bay or stalls giving his mates time to spring a trap in which case all deals are off.
You're welcome to say: "Pirates are scum who will never receive a penny from me." But quit perpetuating a myth that all pirates are double crossing bastards without presenting all the facts.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.02.24 21:26:00 -
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Isn't there already a pirate/carebear angriness thread going on somewhere else? I think I saw it earlier today.
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Posted - 2005.02.24 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Currie on 24/02/2005 21:41:16
I'm probably not going to pay when I get ransomed.
If there was a system in place to handle ransom, then I would pay.
How about "Ransom Checks". You ransom someone, they pay with a "Ransom Check" that can not be cashed for 30 minutes. If in that 30 minutes you are damaged by the Ransomer, the check is auto cancelled and he/she does not get the money.
This way the Pirate knows he is getting the money and the Payee knows he/she has 30 min to get out of dodge. (at least from one person/gang)
yeah... the check is in the mail...
pay to the order of
daProctologist
for services... not killing me.
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TenderTeddy
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ScoRpS
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Posted - 2005.02.24 22:27:00 -
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Where would eve be without your freindly neighbour hood pirate? Forth coming changes to eve (new routes and gates, ew stuff) will re-write a lot of things including a pirates ability to ransom.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.02.24 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Koda
Originally by: Gungankllr
It began to no longer viable partly due to game mechanics, but in most part to players podding other players after the fine was paid.
I'm not spending a nickel to someone who presents a good chance of popping my hauler and capsule after being paid.
I can understand if a player reject ransoms on principle. But I've seen little evidence either in game or on the forums of pirates podding players who've paid ransom.
I can only recall one recent instance and that individual was thoroughly lambasted for his actions.
What sometimes happens is the target either smacks his way into the cloning bay or stalls giving his mates time to spring a trap in which case all deals are off.
You're welcome to say: "Pirates are scum who will never receive a penny from me." But quit perpetuating a myth that all pirates are double crossing bastards without presenting all the facts.
I can only speak from my personal experience. I've only had one person try and extract a toll from me, and after paying a mill for my hauler I was killed and podded.
Needless to say, my whole outlook on things is tainted because of that incident.
For the most part I avoid 0.0 or lowsec unless I have instas or it is in "friendly" space because to be blunt, I don't trust anyone.
If you honor ransom agreements, then good for you. I'd just rather die than die AND lose ISK again.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.02.24 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 25/02/2005 00:32:21
The problem isn't that players should want to value their ships or their isk or their labor or some other nonsense.
The truth of the matter is probably that no one likes you and it is unpleasant to be within vocal range of you.
From a structural perspective, if you want money from people, they will normally give without restriction to people they admire or respect either because they are funny or creative. The expression of oneself through illiteracy and abruptness is attributed to some "game mechanic," but it still is subject to responses derived from deeply ingrained socialization out of the game.
No game mechanic or creativity on the part of the virtual world designer and a handful of core people playing along in full compliance is going to manipulate human behavior.
The idea of entertaining some people or otherwise gratifying their ego with my volutary participation is often more distasteful than randomly losing some pixels. If you make an impassible barrier between me and an objective, I am more likely to simply detonate myself and my ship in secluded space. I would do this in order to move along more smoothly rather than endure a more lengthy sequence where I would be exposed to your laborious attempts to mangle some poor defenceless language.
It doesn't matter if there is supposed to be a pirate dynamic ingame or not if no one is interested in playing along. The point of a virtual world for the individual is to seek to entertain a chosen clic of players to the exclusion of all others. If you are asocial or don't have the time or ability to be creative, or at least can't find a group of players just like you, you are still doomed to playing a solo game where noone follows any hypothetical structured coda of interaction.
My advice: Pod the ones you love.
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ScoRpS
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Posted - 2005.02.24 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
Edited by: Lygos on 24/02/2005 22:39:14
It doesn't matter if their is supposed to be a pirate dynamic ingame or not if no one is interested in playing along.
 Hands up who wants to be ransomed?
LoL i am not a pirate but i recognise that they have to forcably bring unwilling people into a situation which deprives them of isk.
just a thought...
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.24 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 24/02/2005 23:04:30
What? You having the nerve to ask anyone for a ransom? Please.
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697871
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Posted - 2005.02.24 23:34:00 -
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Ransom?
What self respecting pirate ransoms the scum they kill?
Here is how pirating works.
Check system for unsuspecting worms, scan belts and moons for unsuspecting worms. Find a good, unsuspecting target sat in a belt happily mining away on some dirty roids. Fly in and Gank them with EXTREME Preducice, watch local for smak opportunities while picking up loot.
Do not, how ever, fly to a station for at least 1 hour, after the gankage fest or you ship will end up turned into so much hot mush and space dust. *Mourns the loss of her kestrel to such a recent event 
So get over it you ransoming smelly ebil pirate, make your money from murdering and pilageing like us real nasty people.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.25 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: 697871
Ransom?
What self respecting pirate ransoms the scum they kill?
Here is how pirating works.
Check system for unsuspecting worms, scan belts and moons for unsuspecting worms. Find a good, unsuspecting target sat in a belt happily mining away on some dirty roids. Fly in and Gank them with EXTREME Preducice, watch local for smak opportunities while picking up loot.
Do not, how ever, fly to a station for at least 1 hour, after the gankage fest or you ship will end up turned into so much hot mush and space dust. *Mourns the loss of her kestrel to such a recent event
So get over it you ransoming smelly ebil pirate, make your money from murdering and pilageing like us real nasty people.
Yaaarr
Actually that is not the way to pirate. Pirate's just don't go around murdering people, you dolt.  Read up on how pirates really were.
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Aaronus
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Posted - 2005.02.25 00:23:00 -
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I carebear and I pay no one because they have the upper hand in a fight. I have lost all ships before and earned them back. Once somebody realizes that, they realize they dont have to pay a pirate and still feel they have some pride. If no one is paying a pirate and the pirate arent making the isk they want then they need to rethink their profession. And besides you really think once ya have someone down to structure they are gonna like ya enough to want to hand over money? That would just anger me and make me want to hang my middle finger out the window. Pirates do play a huge role in the game and are very important which everyone would agree. But because thier job doesnt go easy doesnt mean there is something wrong with the carebears.
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ashland
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Posted - 2005.02.25 00:32:00 -
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Dont even ask them to pay no more, loot is good corpse is better!
All miners need to die, SAVE THE ROIDS!
and remember my brothers death is peace!
PEACE ON YOU ALL!
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Vydek Daamth
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Posted - 2005.02.25 00:49:00 -
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I think the problem is in the defenition. Koda you consider yourself a pirate and to the community they look at 69*** as one also.
Pirate= scumm who warps in demads something you've got and will kill you if you dont pay (Koda)(I assume by your post)
*Marauder = mean bastard who warps in kills you, takes what they want, mutilates your body and salts the earth...oh and has their way with the farm animals. (69***)
The problem is as a player how do I tell the difference between the two types? Even within the pirating community you group yourselves under the same name.
Would I pay a pirate...yeah within reason. But how do I tell the difference? So as it is dont waste your time trying to convo just get it over with.
What you need to do is start a guild. Weed out the members and corpmates that are *marauders. And enforce the rules what ever they may be. Once the EVE community learns that it can trust you (the pirates) to keep your word, you'll get your way of life back.
Yes the nerfs made it hard..but the *maruaders made it impossible.
*BTW I choose to use maruaders instead of greifers. It is a valid way to play, but being a crasy ass killer is not being a pirate.
It all boils down to the pirating community "policing" itself. Quit crying to CCP to get your way of life back-DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, QUIT WHINING. I hear that phrase from so many pirates to the carebears that I think you guys dont realise that your doing the same thing. You have the tools, you have the ability you, have the ego, make it happen.
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.02.25 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Miner's Bane on 25/02/2005 01:01:05
You know the absolute biggest danger to any low-sec pirate? I'll give you a hint, its not the incompetant fools that call themselves industrialists and think they should be immune to harm because they havent clicked on their PvP flag.
Its other pirates. I propose that pirates will 'police' themselves when carebears can police themselves to reduce the extortion on Cap Recharger IIs. Oh wait, you cant? Shocking.
Piracy didnt die because a few people killed the people they tolled. Piracy died because CCP got rid of it. Nothing more and nothing less. Until CCP fixes ransom piracy and puts some unsafe back into unsafe space, then piracy will consist of blowing you apart at a gate. Too bad for you.
Oh, and for the record, I've done quite a bit of mission running in low sec space as an outlaw. I have never been killed there by anyone who I didnt intentionally engage, and the sentry guns wont even protect me. You can imagine how little sympathy I have for everyone who says 'OMG low sec empire space is too dangerous!' No. Youre just too stupid. Sorry, go play City of Heros, EVE is *not* the game for you.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.25 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Edited by: Miner's Bane on 25/02/2005 01:01:05
You know the absolute biggest danger to any low-sec pirate? I'll give you a hint, its not the incompetant fools that call themselves industrialists and think they should be immune to harm because they havent clicked on their PvP flag.
Its other pirates. I propose that pirates will 'police' themselves when carebears can police themselves to reduce the extortion on Cap Recharger IIs. Oh wait, you cant? Shocking.
Piracy didnt die because a few people killed the people they tolled. Piracy died because CCP got rid of it. Nothing more and nothing less. Until CCP fixes ransom piracy and puts some unsafe back into unsafe space, then piracy will consist of blowing you apart at a gate. Too bad for you.
Oh, and for the record, I've done quite a bit of mission running in low sec space as an outlaw. I have never been killed there by anyone who I didnt intentionally engage, and the sentry guns wont even protect me. You can imagine how little sympathy I have for everyone who says 'OMG low sec empire space is too dangerous!' No. Youre just too stupid. Sorry, go play City of Heros, EVE is *not* the game for you.
Since when have miners become carbears? From what I have seen on the boards and from action in-game. The word pirate is synonymous to lame and immature.
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MinorFreak
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Posted - 2005.02.25 02:30:00 -
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why the hell should i pay a ransom when word will get around i'm prime ransom target to the rest of the in-crowd.
I'm not interested in becoming involved in any extortion rackets so i can fly safe for a day or however long i've "negotiated" simply because it'll attract more total morons who'll line up at the ATM machine.
Face it, you folks play pirates for the rush, not the cash. There's tonnes of easier ways to make isk in this game and you bloody know it. only reason you're in the "piracy" business is for the adrenaline rush, and yelling "PAY OR DIE!" seems to be sauce for the goose.
I personally completely ignore any pirate wannabes whether or not i'm podded or not. Why encourage stupidity? If you're going to kill me, stfu and kill me, don't stand around talking about it.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.02.25 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Focker
From what I have seen on the boards and from action in-game. The word pirate is synonymous to lame and immature.
You have simply interacted with the wrong ones then.
In fact I contend that there are in fact more lame and immature carebears in Eve than there are pirates, even before I "turned" many of the pirates I interacted with were sensible, well-spoken (or silent) individuals...
You can't expect someone to treat you with the utmost respect if you convo them (after they blow you up) and shout "U R GOING TO DIE FGT NOOB GANKER U MUST BE 10 IRL LOOSER OMFG Y DID U BLOW UP MY OSPREY," or anything along that vein (I have received a few of these convos, personally I find them hilarious). That being said I've also had plenty of reasonable talks with my in-game enemies, the lesson here is that there are good and bad eggs on every side of the fence.
P.S. For a perfect of example of pirates being mature and their victim acting like an asshat watch that TS Rumble video, even if it doesn't change your opinion it's still funny as hell
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.25 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus
Originally by: Roy Focker
From what I have seen on the boards and from action in-game. The word pirate is synonymous to lame and immature.
You have simply interacted with the wrong ones then.
In fact I contend that there are in fact more lame and immature carebears in Eve than there are pirates, even before I "turned" many of the pirates I interacted with were sensible, well-spoken (or silent) individuals...
You can't expect someone to treat you with the utmost respect if you convo them (after they blow you up) and shout "U R GOING TO DIE FGT NOOB GANKER U MUST BE 10 IRL LOOSER OMFG Y DID U BLOW UP MY OSPREY," or anything along that vein (I have received a few of these convos, personally I find them hilarious). That being said I've also had plenty of reasonable talks with my in-game enemies, the lesson here is that there are good and bad eggs on every side of the fence.
P.S. For a perfect of example of pirates being mature and their victim acting like an asshat watch that TS Rumble video, even if it doesn't change your opinion it's still funny as hell
I never been ganked by any pirate. Plenty have failed trying though. Your right, there are two sides of the fence, but the fence is leaning way more towards your side.
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The1
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Posted - 2005.02.25 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: The1 on 25/02/2005 03:21:29
Originally by: Roy Focker
Originally by: Miner's Bane
Edited by: Miner's Bane on 25/02/2005 01:01:05
You know the absolute biggest danger to any low-sec pirate? I'll give you a hint, its not the incompetant fools that call themselves industrialists and think they should be immune to harm because they havent clicked on their PvP flag.
Its other pirates. I propose that pirates will 'police' themselves when carebears can police themselves to reduce the extortion on Cap Recharger IIs. Oh wait, you cant? Shocking.
Piracy didnt die because a few people killed the people they tolled. Piracy died because CCP got rid of it. Nothing more and nothing less. Until CCP fixes ransom piracy and puts some unsafe back into unsafe space, then piracy will consist of blowing you apart at a gate. Too bad for you.
Oh, and for the record, I've done quite a bit of mission running in low sec space as an outlaw. I have never been killed there by anyone who I didnt intentionally engage, and the sentry guns wont even protect me. You can imagine how little sympathy I have for everyone who says 'OMG low sec empire space is too dangerous!' No. Youre just too stupid. Sorry, go play City of Heros, EVE is *not* the game for you.
Since when have miners become carbears? From what I have seen on the boards and from action in-game. The word pirate is synonymous to lame and immature.
Why do you think pirates are "lame and immature" exactly? I am in my 30s, own a masters degree, and am a very successful business man in real life (if I dont say so myself) All things considered I think I am neither lame nor immature. Furthermore, I have made many friends in the "pirating" community and I am here to tell you that most of these people are far more mature (and far less lame) than the majority of the eve gamming community I came accross in the time previous to me becoming a "pirate".
I am a "pirate" by profession at this point in my eve gaming experience. I have been playing since retail release and "pirating" is the most fun I have ever had (and I have tried every profession). If you cant handle losing your ship, cargo, implants, ect.., I suggest you keep sucking on the nipple of empire space until such time as you can run with the big dogs.
Finally, the occupation of "pirate" has been an accepted career path since day one. It was even mentioned on the original box. If you dont like it, become a better EVE player and do something about it. Making stupid comments on the forums just makes you look sad and pathetic.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.25 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Roy Focker on 25/02/2005 02:53:30
Edited by: Roy Focker on 25/02/2005 02:53:11
Originally by: The1
Originally by: Roy Focker
Originally by: Miner's Bane
Edited by: Miner's Bane on 25/02/2005 01:01:05
You know the absolute biggest danger to any low-sec pirate? I'll give you a hint, its not the incompetant fools that call themselves industrialists and think they should be immune to harm because they havent clicked on their PvP flag.
Its other pirates. I propose that pirates will 'police' themselves when carebears can police themselves to reduce the extortion on Cap Recharger IIs. Oh wait, you cant? Shocking.
Piracy didnt die because a few people killed the people they tolled. Piracy died because CCP got rid of it. Nothing more and nothing less. Until CCP fixes ransom piracy and puts some unsafe back into unsafe space, then piracy will consist of blowing you apart at a gate. Too bad for you.
Oh, and for the record, I've done quite a bit of mission running in low sec space as an outlaw. I have never been killed there by anyone who I didnt intentionally engage, and the sentry guns wont even protect me. You can imagine how little sympathy I have for everyone who says 'OMG low sec empire space is too dangerous!' No. Youre just too stupid. Sorry, go play City of Heros, EVE is *not* the game for you.
Since when have miners become carbears? From what I have seen on the boards and from action in-game. The word pirate is synonymous to lame and immature.
Why do you think pirates are "lame and immature" exactly? I am in my 30s, own a masters degree, and am a very successful business man in real life (if I dont say so myself) All things considered I think I am neither lame nor immature. Furthermore, I have made many friends in the "pirating" community and I am here to tell you that most of these people are far more mature (and far less lame) than the majority of the eve gamming community I came accross in the time previous to me becoming a "pirate".
I am a "pirate" by profession at point in my even gaming experience. I have been playing since retail release and "pirating" is the most fun I have ever had (and I have tried every profession). If you cant handle losing your ship, cargo, implants, ect.., I suggest you keep sucking on the nipple of empire space until such time as you can run with the big dogs.
Finally, the occupation of "pirate" has been an accepted career path since day one. It was even mentioned on the original box. If you dont like it, become a better EVE player and do something about it. Making stupid comments on the forums just makes you look sad and pathetic.
I have nothing against the pirate profession. My point was that 99% of the immature lamers I have come across professed to be pirates. Interesting, does that master degree give you the foresight to put words in my mouth? I never stated that I get upset over losing anything.
Speaking of sucking. How about a spread of missles coming your way?
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Posted - 2005.02.25 03:18:00 -
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"and "pirating" is the most fun I have ever had "
Its only fun for the pirate- not the victim who's going about their business
It only takes 1 actual podding after paying a ransom and not 1000 successful ransom and most will not pay it on priciple because they remember the podding. 1 aw-s**t erases 1000 atta-boys
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The1
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Posted - 2005.02.25 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Focker
Speaking of sucking. How about a spread of missles coming your way?
FYI....Very few people live long enough to even get a spread of missiles off when they face me. 
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2005.02.25 04:03:00 -
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Unfortunately for you, honorable pirates are a dying breed.
It's a sad fact of an increasing (I think) server population that is used to playing CS.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.02.25 04:04:00 -
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Maybe I'd pay, if you had made a name for yourself.
Of course, that would require you to first immobilize my ship real good. And outnumbering me as well, since I'd probably take my chances in a 1vs1.
But given the hypothetical situation that I were a sitting duck, unable to escape or defend myself, I might pay...if I had heard of you. Nobody pays a no-name pirate with bad language skills. You'd have to be as smooth as Jack Sparrow to even stand a chance.
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Posted - 2005.02.25 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Isn't there already a pirate/carebear angriness thread going on somewhere else? I think I saw it earlier today.
Theres ALWAYS one going on
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.02.25 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 25/02/2005 06:07:58
Perhaps I came off a bit pessimistic before. The truth is, there is hope for you. Probably the best thing you can do when dealing with strangers is to try to get inside the MonkeySphere. The best way to do this is to cultivate your ability to come off immediately as the most charming thief in the known galaxy before you even run into them.
If you do it right, they might send you isk even when you lose.
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