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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.25 15:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Gungankllr
Speaking as a quasi-carebear, I can tell you my answer is a resounding no.
If you want to make money, go earn it instead of preying on another's hard work.
In addition, the practice of "tolling" or "randsoming" pretty much no longer works.
It began to no longer viable partly due to game mechanics, but in most part to players podding other players after the fine was paid.
I'm not spending a nickel to someone who presents a good chance of popping my hauler and capsule after being paid.
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.25 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Currie
Edited by: Captain Currie on 24/02/2005 21:41:16
I'm probably not going to pay when I get ransomed.
If there was a system in place to handle ransom, then I would pay.
How about "Ransom Checks". You ransom someone, they pay with a "Ransom Check" that can not be cashed for 30 minutes. If in that 30 minutes you are damaged by the Ransomer, the check is auto cancelled and he/she does not get the money.
This way the Pirate knows he is getting the money and the Payee knows he/she has 30 min to get out of dodge. (at least from one person/gang)
yeah... the check is in the mail...
pay to the order of
daProctologist
for services... not killing me.
signed
TenderTeddy
Does CCP have to make a ui for everything you do in this game? That's a really dumb Idea. do it the old fashioned way. |
ScoRpS
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Posted - 2005.02.25 15:50:00 -
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FYI....Very few people live long enough to even get a spread of missiles off when they face me. 
Intrigued, solo or with an armada for back up?
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.25 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
Edited by: Lygos on 25/02/2005 00:32:21
The problem isn't that players should want to value their ships or their isk or their labor or some other nonsense.
The truth of the matter is probably that no one likes you and it is unpleasant to be within vocal range of you.
From a structural perspective, if you want money from people, they will normally give without restriction to people they admire or respect either because they are funny or creative. The expression of oneself through illiteracy and abruptness is attributed to some "game mechanic," but it still is subject to responses derived from deeply ingrained socialization out of the game.
No game mechanic or creativity on the part of the virtual world designer and a handful of core people playing along in full compliance is going to manipulate human behavior.
The idea of entertaining some people or otherwise gratifying their ego with my volutary participation is often more distasteful than randomly losing some pixels. If you make an impassible barrier between me and an objective, I am more likely to simply detonate myself and my ship in secluded space. I would do this in order to move along more smoothly rather than endure a more lengthy sequence where I would be exposed to your laborious attempts to mangle some poor defenceless language.
It doesn't matter if there is supposed to be a pirate dynamic ingame or not if no one is interested in playing along. The point of a virtual world for the individual is to seek to entertain a chosen clic of players to the exclusion of all others. If you are asocial or don't have the time or ability to be creative, or at least can't find a group of players just like you, you are still doomed to playing a solo game where noone follows any hypothetical structured coda of interaction.
My advice: Pod the ones you love.
First of all let me be the first to say "I love you". Secondly, you must read. You must read all the time. You seem to like flaunting your vocabulary. I think it's a bit superfluous and doens't get to the point quick enough. You're an english teacher and I'm a businessman. So when I ransom people I say stuff like "Gimmie 20mil isk or uR wtfpwned faster than you can type ebil prats!" It gets the job done. It's simple. It's mostly effective. And if people like you don't pay up, that's one more notch on the keyboard, and one more carebear put where he belongs.
There IS a system to this, and it existed in this game before you got your first set of data sheets. Obviously there are still many player pirates in eve, if there weren't this thread wouldn't exist. So if you want to play Eve, that means finding ways to deal with it. Simply destructing everytime a player threatens you is likely going to provoke quite a bit of angst in you with absolutely no return to the player who so unkindly instigated such action. So other people can understand, you'll let people walk all over you. At the very least you should try to get away or agree to pay a ransom in spite or something, at least talk to the man. If you're hatred is so deep for pirates that it brings you to disgust, maybe you should try to stifle your vomit long enough to fight one. Fancy talk and pretty letters won't get them to stop trying to ransom you. Now, since your objective in this post was only blather out some high english discord against my kind, I take your shots at us personally. So next time you see me, pay up or wake up in empire.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.02.25 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox
Obviously there are still many player pirates in eve, if there weren't this thread wouldn't exist.
I find your methodology.. curious. I'll have to ask you to pardon my brevity as I have to run away to class now.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.02.26 07:52:00 -
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Ah piracy, a very old profession.
I'll vouch for Tairos, good guys in his corp. Actually, most "pirates" are pretty nice folks. I've been on both ends of a pirate encounter, and its fun for me either way. If you don't want to get shot stay in 0.5 or higher, simple as that.
Also, if you wonder why pirates don't like to try and ask you to ransom first, I have 2 reasons. Insta's and Logoff. WCS will let you get near the next gate, insta's let you get away. Logoff's make even scramblers worthless in some cases.
Hell, at least the rats aren't taking advantage of an exploit to kill you. Logging off is just cheating.
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.02.26 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Hell, at least the rats aren't taking advantage of an exploit to kill you. Logging off is just cheating.
No it isnt. If I get caught in something valuable, then I'm going to log. I can justify it because I did something outrageously stupid to put myself into a position where someone could kill me, and my outrageous stupidity should not carry any penalties for me.
I mean, come on - what do you expect me to do, play smart? I'm very poorly equipped to do that, it usually takes me a few seconds to remember ctrl+q.
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idimmu69
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Posted - 2005.02.26 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
No it isnt. If I get caught in something valuable, then I'm going to log. I can justify it because I did something outrageously stupid to put myself into a position where someone could kill me, and my outrageous stupidity should not carry any penalties for me.
I mean, come on - what do you expect me to do, play smart? I'm very poorly equipped to do that, it usually takes me a few seconds to remember ctrl+q.
I really hope you were using sarcasm in this post. It's sometimes hard to tell. If you log off to save a ship or your pod or whatever, you are just pathetic. Even if horribly outnumbered and having no possible means of escape or victory, you should suck it up princess, and die honourably.
Ships, modules, and clones can always be replaced. Respect and honour are not so easily regained.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2005.02.26 14:33:00 -
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Ive never had a problem getting ransoms where as trust is concerned, My problem lies in actually finding them or them refusing out of an rp moral.
As for pirates taking isk and then blowing peeople up?
The General (ex Space Invaders) did this, got thrashed by his corp and kicked out....he no longer plays.
A guy did it just recently (he was a noob rat, had just started out) My corpmate Arestes hunted him down and podded him and said hed keep on doing it till the isk was paid back and it was.
Ive been pirating a long time and know alot of other pirates and i never heard of any1 else tolling then podding.
So to you people you keep ranting about these mythicl pirates...name some names or stfu
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The1
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Posted - 2005.02.26 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: ScoRpS
FYI....Very few people live long enough to even get a spread of missiles off when they face me.
Intrigued, solo or with an armada for back up?
I would say probably about 60/40 solo, just depends on who all is on and whats going on.
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Kristoffer
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Posted - 2005.02.26 20:13:00 -
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Your in a blasterthron and chase after a scorpion to a moon forgetting everything you know about that ship, only to find yourself ew'd and locked down and running out of cap charges, and your tank is slowly running out of cap. You have a 60ish million fit and are insured, but megathrons are going for 125 now...
The pirate asks for 20 million.
What do you do?
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idimmu69
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Posted - 2005.02.26 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kristoffer
Your in a blasterthron and chase after a scorpion to a moon forgetting everything you know about that ship, only to find yourself ew'd and locked down and running out of cap charges, and your tank is slowly running out of cap. You have a 60ish million fit and are insured, but megathrons are going for 125 now...
The pirate asks for 20 million.
What do you do?
I take a deep breath, and politely decline the offer, wishing i hadn't spent my last 20 mil on that stupid large accomodation. Then I thank him for the option, and brace myself for that new clone smell 
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.02.26 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Eviljohn on 26/02/2005 20:49:17
Edited by: Eviljohn on 26/02/2005 20:28:18
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Ive never had a problem getting ransoms where as trust is concerned, My problem lies in actually finding them or them refusing out of an rp moral.
As for pirates taking isk and then blowing peeople up?
The General (ex Space Invaders) did this, got thrashed by his corp and kicked out....he no longer plays.
A guy did it just recently (he was a noob rat, had just started out) My corpmate Arestes hunted him down and podded him and said hed keep on doing it till the isk was paid back and it was.
Ive been pirating a long time and know alot of other pirates and i never heard of any1 else tolling then podding.
So to you people you keep ranting about these mythicl pirates...name some names or stfu
I always blast ppl who pay i dont need the money nor do i care what affect it has on other pirates i do it for pure grief , the hate mail owns not only have they paid 30 mill to live then lost there ship and while i was chatting i got into smartbomb range and podded them too.
Thank god most ppl dont read these forums or i would never be able to do it again .
I dont understand all this honour from pirates crap histroy tells us they where untrustworth robbing murdering scumbags.
Oh well live the dream
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.02.26 20:48:00 -
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Some of history's most notorious pirates are immortalized with bios thanks to their cruel and unlawful lifestyles.
I like that bit on the first page
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.26 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Eviljohn
Some of history's most notorious pirates are immortalized with bios thanks to their cruel and unlawful lifestyles.
I like that bit on the first page
Note you don't see the word murderous. The movies have given the pirate profession as a whole a bad rep.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.02.26 21:09:00 -
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Keep it friendly
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.02.26 21:09:00 -
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Darn m8 your so right no pirate has every lied cheated stole raped or murdered anyone ever, silly old me where did i ever get that idea gggrrr the curse of the tv.
I will just give ppl directions to good mining spots from now on.
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.02.26 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eviljohn
Darn m8 your so right no pirate has every lied cheated stole raped or murdered anyone ever, silly old me where did i ever get that idea gggrrr the curse of the tv.
I will just give ppl directions to good mining spots from now on.
For a moment there I actually thought you were going to be mature. With a name like Eviljohn, who was I fooling?
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.02.26 23:22:00 -
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Dude we play computer games mmm pot kettle and something about black i dunno
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ABSSM
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Posted - 2005.02.28 02:21:00 -
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Eviljohn isn't really evil believe it or not, he's a really nice guy once you get to know him.
I would say you need to watch out for his ebil combine harvester though!!! 
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Quandasar
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Posted - 2005.02.28 03:00:00 -
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Is this the pirate support group thread.
Btw there is no such a thing as a honorable pirate as the word pirate indicates, only ebil and less ebil pirates. making your living from other ppl¦s misery is not honorable.
Why would anyone pay a ransom it would only indicate that you are weak and you will be a more attractive target in the future.
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RDM
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Posted - 2005.02.28 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: RDM on 28/02/2005 03:25:47
Originally by: Quandasar
Why would anyone pay a ransom it would only indicate that you are weak and you will be a more attractive target in the future.
Like you wouldnt be a target anyway. The ransom is to keep you and your ship alive, and little more.
If you dont want to pay a ransom, have fun spending much more much replacing your ship, not to mention the time it will take you to go find and fit out a new one. Your loot and killmail are equal compensation.
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Justin Cody on 28/02/2005 05:08:06
Yes I admit it I am a pirate at heart. I like seeing players suffer as the fruits of their labors are taken away at my whim. I also enjoy mining. Its a great way to make yourself a low cost Battleship. Now you don't have to be in Low sec space to do this, but it does help. The real trick is, and I'll probably post this in the miner forum, finding a series of systems that are not heavily traveled and have a record of no pod kills in the last 24 hours for at least a week. Just do your homework and you too can avoid a tachyon laser from 170KM insta killing your hauler or shuttle. :-P
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.02.28 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Imperial Assasin
Edited by: Imperial Assasin on 24/02/2005 20:21:01
......you carebears really should pay the ransom, being an honorable pirate, I count on the carebears to care about their ships and to pay a small fee to keep them, thus I earn my living, and the carebear can keep carebearing...not like this post will make a difference, but I just had to say it, thank you
Pay Up Carebears!
Pock you terriost! Be a real cold day in hades before I give anyone a single red isk!!!!
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alfric
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Posted - 2005.02.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Edited by: Miner's Bane on 25/02/2005 01:01:05
Its other pirates. I propose that pirates will 'police' themselves when carebears can police themselves to reduce the extortion on Cap Recharger IIs. Oh wait, you cant? Shocking.
Miner is right. When secure space starts policing itself from individuals charging outrageous sums for items then we can start pointing fingers at the pirates in unsecure space. Since that will never happen my sugestion is to go about u'r business and either pay ransom or don't.
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rockboy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: rockboy on 28/02/2005 22:18:38
Miners: This game sucks! Ebil pierats kill us! :( :(
Pie Rats: This game sucks! No one pays us extortion monies! :( :(
Lab Rats: This game sucks! Labs cost 500 billion isks! :( :(
L4 *****s: This game sucks! No Arbies! :( :(
CCP: Awesome, the game is now perfectly balanced. :) :)
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Detente
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Posted - 2005.03.03 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: rockboy
Edited by: rockboy on 28/02/2005 22:18:38
Miners: This game sucks! Ebil pierats kill us! :( :(
Pie Rats: This game sucks! No one pays us extortion monies! :( :(
Lab Rats: This game sucks! Labs cost 500 billion isks! :( :(
L4 *****s: This game sucks! No Arbies! :( :(
CCP: Awesome, the game is now perfectly balanced. :) :)
Har dee har har.
Pirates, I would never pay your ransom, unless you or your corp had a reputation for honesty. Even if you deserved it, I doubt many of you have built that up so far.
And the prices us industrialists (I'm a N00b, so I'm not there yet) charge merely reflect the value of our outputs. Also, they probably reflect the costs we put into rent and research. Except, of course, for those who bought in early. They're just making the money they deserve for being smargt/lucky and picking the right direction early. Do you begrudge those who bought MS stocks in '85?
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Nemiona
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Posted - 2005.03.03 10:06:00 -
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well..
sometimes people gets killed by pirates in my homesystem, and if I had been a pirate, and people had smack talked like someone do in local after being attacked/ransomed, I would probably kill them too..
Dont see the problem with pirates, makes the traveling more interesting as you have to look over your shoulder from time to time. Got shot down at a gate yesterday, but it was my own fault as I knew he was there.. (just had to try  ).. no biggie, got my insurance and he didnt manage to pod me..
actually lost 2 ships that day after attacking viceroy in .5 (event)
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ScoRpS
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Posted - 2005.03.03 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: rockboy
Edited by: rockboy on 28/02/2005 22:18:38
Miners: This game sucks! Ebil pierats kill us! :( :(
Pie Rats: This game sucks! No one pays us extortion monies! :( :(
Lab Rats: This game sucks! Labs cost 500 billion isks! :( :(
L4 W***es: This game sucks! No Arbies! :( :(
CCP: Awesome, the game is now perfectly balanced. :) :)
LOL but true somehow
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Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2005.03.03 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus
P.S. For a perfect of example of pirates being mature and their victim acting like an asshat watch that TS Rumble video, even if it doesn't change your opinion it's still funny as hell
Got linkage ?
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