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Bootleg Jack
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Posted - 2011.07.19 14:55:00 -
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This is getting really annoying, hit the ctrl key for any purpose and target something instead, or even just click and target.
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anvyl sky
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:07:00 -
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quit whining, its working perfectly fine.
the [ctrl] key has 2 functions.
(A) klick into space, then hold down ctrl. you will target the next object you klick in space
(B) klick into the overview, then highlight any object in the overview, now press [ctrl] once, the object currently selected in the overview will be targeted.
hint: you can have a shortcut for "approach" now as well, so I have the "target enemy" set to "x" and "approach" is "c" so all i need to do is highlight enemy in overview, then push "x+C" and enemy will be locked and targeted.
TLDR, make sure you have the focus set on the overview BEFORE pushing [ctrl]
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:10:00 -
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pebkac
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:16:00 -
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Remove FOCUS from the overview window fixes most problems.
It is annoying as hell as CCP think you want to use the KEYBOARD when the overview has FOCUS.
All because everybody cried to control eve via the keyboard, yeah, makes botting easier to just use SENDKEY doesnt it, that is why they cried for it (and got it) :)
Now the people that actually play eve, get the pain, so botters can easier control Eve via the keyboard controls.
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Bootleg Jack
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:24:00 -
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 Originally by: anvyl sky
Edited by: anvyl sky on 19/07/2011 15:07:59
quit whining, its working perfectly fine.
the [ctrl] key has 2 functions.
(A) klick into space, then hold down ctrl. you will target the next object you klick in space
(B) klick into the overview, then highlight any object in the overview, now press [ctrl] once, the object currently selected in the overview will be targeted.
hint: you can have a shortcut for "approach" now as well, so I have the "target enemy" set to "x" and "approach" is "c" so all i need to do is highlight enemy in overview, then push "x+C" and enemy will be locked and approached. usefull for decloaking/tackeling at gates.
edit: silly brain**** fixed
TLDR, make sure you have the focus set on the overview BEFORE pushing [ctrl]
OMG your kidding, pressing CTRL when the overview has focus targets????
You mustn't play the game, since the patch pressing CTRL targets even when you don't have focus on the overview. It happens mainly if you run more than one client.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:25:00 -
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TBH the way they implemented the new hotkeys is inexcusably stupid.
Knowing how it works and how to use it does not change that.
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Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:26:00 -
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it SEEMS to be working but I have found one case where both alt and ctrl hotkeys dont work properly...
if you happen to need to turn on something in your mid slot with alt+F1-F8 the alt will be read and acted on, making your camera move to w/e the selected item in the overview was, before you have even pressed the F1-F8 button
The problem here is that the "perform action" needs to be done AFTER button release instead of on button press
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xercodo
it SEEMS to be working but I have found one case where both alt and ctrl hotkeys dont work properly...
if you happen to need to turn on something in your mid slot with alt+F1-F8 the alt will be read and acted on, making your camera move to w/e the selected item in the overview was, before you have even pressed the F1-F8 button
The problem here is that the "perform action" needs to be done AFTER button release instead of on button press
Yeah it should be on KEYUP not KEYDOWN, common noob coder mistake lol
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: anvyl sky
(B) klick into the overview, then highlight any object in the overview, now press [ctrl] once, the object currently selected in the overview will be targeted....
You had got to be kidding, did they add that? No bloody wonder people are dying on gates all over the place.
That is almost as dumb as the sticky-key crap they tried pushing a while back.
Does CCP really want Eve to be played through the context menu only?
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 15:35:35
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: anvyl sky
(B) klick into the overview, then highlight any object in the overview, now press [ctrl] once, the object currently selected in the overview will be targeted....
You had got to be kidding, did they add that? No bloody wonder people are dying on gates all over the place.
That is almost as dumb as the sticky-key crap they tried pushing a while back.
Does CCP really want Eve to be played through the context menu only?
Goons control the CSM, CSM pushes for keyboard control, why? Makes automation easier for bots.
Just CCP screwed up the code, it even auto-locks or "looks at" with a click once changing session (gate jump, undock, etc etc).
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.07.19 15:44:00 -
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i'm pretty happy i'm not pvp-er so usually i have time to check what have i targeted BEFORE i will do something with targeted object.... I'm very sorry to pvp-ers 
really. not sure if somebody like this behavior.....
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xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.07.19 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx on 19/07/2011 16:15:51
Originally by: Bootleg Jack
Originally by: anvyl sky
Edited by: anvyl sky on 19/07/2011 15:07:59
quit whining, its working perfectly fine.
the [ctrl] key has 2 functions.
(A) klick into space, then hold down ctrl. you will target the next object you klick in space
(B) klick into the overview, then highlight any object in the overview, now press [ctrl] once, the object currently selected in the overview will be targeted.
hint: you can have a shortcut for "approach" now as well, so I have the "target enemy" set to "x" and "approach" is "c" so all i need to do is highlight enemy in overview, then push "x+C" and enemy will be locked and approached. usefull for decloaking/tackeling at gates.
edit: silly brain**** fixed
TLDR, make sure you have the focus set on the overview BEFORE pushing [ctrl]
OMG your kidding, pressing CTRL when the overview has focus targets????
You mustn't play the game, since the patch pressing CTRL targets even when you don't have focus on the overview. It happens mainly if you run more than one client.
left click anywhere on screen you want active, sorted !
ffs adapt overcome.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.07.19 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 15:35:35
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: anvyl sky
(B) klick into the overview, then highlight any object in the overview, now press [ctrl] once, the object currently selected in the overview will be targeted....
You had got to be kidding, did they add that? No bloody wonder people are dying on gates all over the place.
That is almost as dumb as the sticky-key crap they tried pushing a while back.
Does CCP really want Eve to be played through the context menu only?
Goons control the CSM, CSM pushes for keyboard control, why? Makes automation easier for bots.
Just CCP screwed up the code, it even auto-locks or "looks at" with a click once changing session (gate jump, undock, etc etc).
Ironic that the NC agenda is directly affecting NCs ultimate enemies, Goons are dying and in the next few months will be purged from 0.0 forever or worse become Atlas pets like MM / Razor LOL!
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.19 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 19/07/2011 16:52:24
Put it back how it was, it's really getting on my t8ts thanks.
Edit: You used to be able to freeze the overview with ctrl, then click on targets you wished to lock without them jumping all over the place. Now you get a pot luck item targeted plus what you wanted.
When you only have a limited number of target slots (frig) and are trying to initiate a fight as effectively as possible, you don't want to have the damned interface working against you as well. If even 5 seconds of a < 1m fight are spent farting about because of a terribly unintuitive design implementation it's really frustrating.
In a fleet fight, yellow boxing the wrong enemy can get you primaried and killed, not much fun when it's primarily due to a disastrous keyboard short-cut.
Thanks 
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Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.07.19 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Remove FOCUS from the overview window fixes most problems.
It is annoying as hell as CCP think you want to use the KEYBOARD when the overview has FOCUS.
All because everybody cried to control eve via the keyboard, yeah, makes botting easier to just use SENDKEY doesnt it, that is why they cried for it (and got it) :)
Now the people that actually play eve, get the pain, so botters can easier control Eve via the keyboard controls.
you cant be srs, are you saying people who want hotkeys are just trying to make botting easier? and people who would be called 'clickers' and 'keyboard turners' in other games are the only people 'actually playing eve'?
i didnt realize there were so many geriatrics playing eve
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.19 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 20:28:08
Originally by: Beelzebubz
Originally by: Miilla
Remove FOCUS from the overview window fixes most problems.
It is annoying as hell as CCP think you want to use the KEYBOARD when the overview has FOCUS.
All because everybody cried to control eve via the keyboard, yeah, makes botting easier to just use SENDKEY doesnt it, that is why they cried for it (and got it) :)
Now the people that actually play eve, get the pain, so botters can easier control Eve via the keyboard controls.
you cant be srs, are you saying people who want hotkeys are just trying to make botting easier? and people who would be called 'clickers' and 'keyboard turners' in other games are the only people 'actually playing eve'?
i didnt realize there were so many geriatrics playing eve
Adding more keyboard control does indeed make automaton control easier (maybe not stable due to unsyncing with UI state and losing focus but its an easier input method for them).
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.19 20:31:00 -
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If you have a target selected and overview in focus pressing your target key will target the selected item.
If you have a target selected and overview not in focus then pressing your target key won't do anything.
Difficult concept.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.19 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 20:33:31
Originally by: Important Person
If you have a target selected and overview in focus pressing your target key will target the selected item.
If you have a target selected and overview not in focus then pressing your target key won't do anything.
Difficult concept.
Yes indeed it is a difficult concept for CCP developers to get right, notice all the patches to fix it?
And yes it is still buggy, I can lock and look at with a single click and no key press after changing session and with the overview NOT in focus it can still always look at for ALT and lock for CTRL.
Some people see the bugs more than others.
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.19 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Adding more keyboard control does indeed make automaton control easier (maybe not stable due to unsyncing with UI state and losing focus but its an easier input method for them).
lol clicker, lern to coordination
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.19 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: Miilla
Adding more keyboard control does indeed make automaton control easier (maybe not stable due to unsyncing with UI state and losing focus but its an easier input method for them).
lol clicker, lern to coordination
Lolwut?
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.19 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 20:33:31
Originally by: Important Person
If you have a target selected and overview in focus pressing your target key will target the selected item.
If you have a target selected and overview not in focus then pressing your target key won't do anything.
Difficult concept.
Yes indeed it is a difficult concept for CCP developers to get right, notice all the patches to fix it?
And yes it is still buggy, I can lock and look at with a single click and no key press after changing session and with the overview NOT in focus it can still always look at for ALT and lock for CTRL.
Some people see the bugs more than others.
Never had a problem with it. I'll just put your experience down as user error.
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chubbsmcchubbington
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: chubbsmcchubbington on 19/07/2011 21:01:06
So this explains all the extra garbage that always ends up getting locked. I thought EVE was just lagging//buggy. I didn't realize it was a "feature" how is having to select the item and press control, easier than just holding control and selecting all the items you want to lock? why was the extra thing added?
Also in regards to the "clicker" bs comments... In a game like wow, where you can easily have over 20 hotkeys, need to be actively moving your character, and clicking different things on the screen to target, something like moving your mouse to click an ability is a horrendous waste of time. In EVE, this is not nearly as big of a problem.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:00:00 -
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confirming orphanage are pro botters
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
confirming orphanage are pro botters
Who is in the Orphanage?
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Weeble Tauri
Caldari
Battle Cattle
Subspace Exploration Agency
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:27:00 -
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I'm in full agreement with the OP, this is just as bad as the sticky-keys attempt.
I'm locking all sorts of things without intent. Stargates, accel gates, fleet-mates, etc...
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Denise Le'Slut
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Denise Le''**** on 19/07/2011 21:29:53
eems like we're complaining about a targetting flaw in the UI here
i might toss in that fast module activation also went poof with the latest update(s), you now have to slowly click every module second by second just to be sure it will go green |
Borun Tal
Minmatar
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:31:00 -
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Can't tell you how many times I've almost opened up on acc gates, or accidentally targeted someone... Very damned annoying bug...
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Morganta
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:33:00 -
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every now and then I notice I have to click on a gate before the jump hotkey works.
this is odd since I already selected the gate when I bloody warped to it
odder still it doesn't always fail
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Morganta
every now and then I notice I have to click on a gate before the jump hotkey works.
this is odd since I already selected the gate when I bloody warped to it
odder still it doesn't always fail
It's funny.
You're complaining that your hotkey won't work on something that you had selected but for some reason don't.
Others complaining that their hotkey works on something they didn't have selected but due to overview focus did.
How to fix?
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2011.07.19 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Important Person
How to fix?
Rollback.
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