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raker	Posted - 2011.07.19 18:54:00 - [1] If you are not happy with the CSM's and I've read a lot of ppl saying that Mittani is smug Then it's simple, vote them out at the next election, who is in the CSM is one area where we the playerbase can have a say I know that when the next elections come up, I will take more notice of it and vote
Kirkland Langue	Posted - 2011.07.19 18:55:00 - [2] The only candidates you can vote for are ones which have already been "CCP approved". The CSM is Democratic in the exact same way that Iran is... moreso than the US but less than Brazil.
Kevric Lament of the Phoenix The Covenant.	Posted - 2011.07.19 18:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Kirkland Langue The only candidates you can vote for are ones which have already been "CCP approved". The CSM is Democratic in the exact same way that Iran is... moreso than the US but less than Brazil. What? Would you mind expanding on this? I've never paid that much attention to the CSM until recently. In fact I can't even find a list of who is on the CSM right now. :(
coolzero Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.19 19:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Kirkland Langue The only candidates you can vote for are ones which have already been "CCP approved". The CSM is Democratic in the exact same way that Iran is... moreso than the US but less than Brazil. something like voting form :D Jack of all trades, master of none...
Serene Repose Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.07.19 19:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Serene Repose on 19/07/2011 19:07:19 It's a thinly-veiled Old Boy network, contrary to a preferred self-characterization of being above such uncool things. (We listen to electric guitars, not pedal steel, we must be more advanced in our thinking...see: self-delusion.) The dead give-away was how chummy they were on their recent "emergency" visit to the last Viking bastion. Clue 2: CSMs rather vehemently shouted down a suggestion of one-person-one-vote democracy. (Where have I heard this before...let's see The United $tate$ was it?) The CSMs don't represent me. They don't even know who I am, and they take pride in that. They're so "exclusive" (see: exclude.) I thought it was funny, however, how conveniently at hand they were to mollify the crowd - and how the rigged tournament this year has been drowned by this present comic uproar. I do remember the candidates around Heimatar dropping in and acting so aloof and cool in Local for us. We were left rapt, like Liz herself dropped by. Oh yes, and they were appropriately diffident and stand-offish about answering any questions that didn't have to do with 0.0, a place they were obviously NOT. It doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. My karma ran over my dogma.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.19 19:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Kirkland Langue The only candidates you can vote for are ones which have already been "CCP approved". Oh, the insanely difficult approval process of having an active EVE account, a valid passport, scanning it and attaching it to your application. Oh, whatever shall you do, that's, like, *nearly impossible*, isn't it ? I mean, if you're a brain in a vat or something. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Pok Nibin Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.19 19:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Kirkland Langue The only candidates you can vote for are ones which have already been "CCP approved". Oh, the insanely difficult approval process of having an active EVE account, a valid passport, scanning it and attaching it to your application. Oh, whatever shall you do, that's, like, *nearly impossible*, isn't it ? I mean, if you're a brain in a vat or something. Why would I have a passport? Please wait as this sig- nature finishes loading
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.19 19:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Pok Nibin Why would I have a passport? I don't have a valid passport right now either (my last one expired a couple of years ago and didn't need one since Romania joined the EU, because I didn't want to go anywhere outside the EU), but I could get one for a token payment and two trips to the appropriate office spaced one week apart (first to drop the paperwork and have my photo taken, second to pick it up when done). _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
S3na Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.19 19:13:00 - [9] Edited by: S3na on 19/07/2011 19:14:32 Originally by: Pok Nibin Why would I have a passport? Because at some point of your live you might want to move your butt somewhere else than home country ?
Pok Nibin Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.19 19:21:00 - [10] Originally by: S3na Edited by: S3na on 19/07/2011 19:14:32 Originally by: Pok Nibin Why would I have a passport? Because at some point of your live you might want to move your butt somewhere else than home country ? That'll be the day pigs fly out of the same orifice. Please wait as this sig- nature finishes loading

Probably Alt	Posted - 2011.07.19 21:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Serene Repose Edited by: Serene Repose on 19/07/2011 19:11:02 It's a thinly-veiled Old Boy network, contrary to a preferred self-characterization of being above such uncool things. (We listen to electric guitars, not pedal steel, we must be more advanced in our thinking...see: self-delusion.) The dead give-away was how chummy they were on their recent "emergency" visit to the last Viking bastion. Clue 2: CSMs rather vehemently shouted down a suggestion of one-person-one-vote democracy. (Where have I heard this before...let's see The United $tate$ was it?) Yes, we have the technology. Let's not use it here. You're an idiot and clearly don't understand the structure of your own government. The US is a Republic with democratically elected representatives. To do what you suggest requires a complete rewrite of the constitution. The founding fathers never wanted a direct democracy and structured the government this way to remove direct voting because people inherently are stupid when voting.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.19 21:52:00 - [12] If you're unhappy with this CSM all you have to do is form an alliance, recruit thousands of members, train one of those members to talk out of his ass, and make sure he gets hired by CCP as lead designer for flying in space. Then get all your members to vote for you and you will have as much influence over the game as Alex and Kris do. That's all. Or, I guess you could program your own Internet Spaceships sandbox game from scratch. Yeah, see, there are 2 ways to do it. Want to buy a monocle?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.07.19 21:59:00 - [13] I wonder if I could pull off getting me and my alts taking all spots...? Secure 3rd party service \| in-game 'Holy Veldspar' Now /w voice

Jessica Shape	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:10:00 - [14] you do realise you could elect the finest CSM the game had to offer, a wise collection from across all of eve representing us all and using logic and reason to come up with the finest solution to each problem.... they would still be ccp's little puppet show *****es and have to do as they are told. your arguing over a non issue, kinda the whole point of the CSM i suppose so its working well. we all shout and hiss at the puppets while the people holding the strings stay out of sight.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Jessica Shape you do realise you could elect the finest CSM the game had to offer, a wise collection from across all of eve representing us all and using logic and reason to come up with the finest solution to each problem.... they would still be ccp's little puppet show *****es and have to do as they are told. Not so. CSM V didn't do what they were told. What the latest protest lacked was a clear leader with clear demands. A competent CSM with integrity could have provided that and prevented MT for non-vanity items and made Incarna optional (at a minimum.) Want to buy a monocle?
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Digital Messiah on 19/07/2011 22:19:02 Originally by: Chribba I wonder if I could pull off getting me and my alts taking all spots...? I don't know that I would vote for you, no offense Chribba. It's just that I don't know how I feel about the game taking itself in a direction further toward veldspar lol jk. Honestly though, you would make a good CSM in aspect to the many changes that could and need to be made for mining. And I would seriously throw a vote your way if you went for a mining expertise csm position. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Jessica Shape	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:26:00 - [17] i just dont see how. someone up there (i dont claim to know who) that makes the big decisions at ccp decided MT was a good way to turn a quicker buck, so in it goes. if some spotty oik pokes his head above the surface and shouts "i disagree" they arent going to write it off. if the CSM doesnt agree with what they are doing they will do it anyway, if enough of a fuss is kicked up i imagine they would just remove the CSM alltogether "was a good experiment, but its reached its end...". sorry to play down everyones ego's but we dont dictate policy to ccp. they make it, we either buy into it or we dont. and if we dont, someone else will.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Akita T on 19/07/2011 22:28:35 Originally by: Pok Nibin Originally by: S3na Originally by: Pok Nibin Why would I have a passport? Because at some point of your live you might want to move your butt somewhere else than home country ? That'll be the day pigs fly out of the same orifice. Considering elected CSM members have to go to Iceland at least once during their mandate, sounds like you wouldn't have wanted to be a CSM member anyway, so... P.S. ...unless you already live in Iceland. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
DemetRYS Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Chribba I wonder if I could pull off getting me and my alts taking all spots...? I think the better question is, why haven't you run?
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:43:00 - [20] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Jessica Shape you do realise you could elect the finest CSM the game had to offer, a wise collection from across all of eve representing us all and using logic and reason to come up with the finest solution to each problem.... they would still be ccp's little puppet show ***es and have to do as they are told. Not so. CSM V didn't do what they were told. What the latest protest lacked was a clear leader with clear demands. A competent CSM with integrity could have provided that and prevented MT for non-vanity items and made Incarna optional (at a minimum.) I doubt that though I would love if that had been their goal or at least railed for those things. CCP is set in their stupid direction of what they think is right along with being chained to WOD/Dust so certain things are nearly 'set in stone' but at least CSM6 could have fought for those things and come off as being representatives of the players and less as being shills for CCP. I know that is a harsh critique of them but honestly the 'unified' message speaks to me as capitulation and very little if any defiance, as a body CSM6 seems like a joke. Individual members, just a few, seem to still speak for the players as opposed to CCP or at least show they actually care. Originally by:** Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:50:00 - [21] Originally by: DemetRYS Originally by: Chribba I wonder if I could pull off getting me and my alts taking all spots...? I think the better question is, why haven't you run? Actually it would be an honor representing the community, and I want to, however I have so far felt that I don't have the proper amount of time to set aside for CSM to be able to give the effort it deserves. So I have decided to not run until such a time when I can give it, and the community the full attention to push for the right changes. /c Secure 3rd party service \| in-game 'Holy Veldspar' Now /w voice

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.07.19 22:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: DemetRYS Originally by: Chribba I wonder if I could pull off getting me and my alts taking all spots...? I think the better question is, why haven't you run? Actually it would be an honor representing the community, and I want to, however I have so far felt that I don't have the proper amount of time to set aside for CSM to be able to give the effort it deserves. So I have decided to not run until such a time when I can give it, and the community the full attention to push for the right changes. /c That's ok, I have time and will set aside time to be in the next CSM.
DemetRYS Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.19 23:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: DemetRYS Originally by: Chribba I wonder if I could pull off getting me and my alts taking all spots...? I think the better question is, why haven't you run? Actually it would be an honor representing the community, and I want to, however I have so far felt that I don't have the proper amount of time to set aside for CSM to be able to give the effort it deserves. So I have decided to not run until such a time when I can give it, and the community the full attention to push for the right changes. /c Fair enough. I look forward to that day when veldspar has a seat at the table.
Strecs Moliko	Posted - 2011.07.19 23:22:00 - [24] I thought he was going to say "If you are not happy with the CSM's and you know it, clap your hands".
jujumagumboo	Posted - 2011.07.20 03:16:00 - [25] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson CSM V didn't do what they were told. What the latest protest lacked was a clear leader with clear demands. A competent CSM with integrity could have provided that and prevented MT for non-vanity items and made Incarna optional (at a minimum.) You vastly overestimate how much power the CSM has to affect change at CCP.
Magsys Shihari	Posted - 2011.07.20 03:42:00 - [26] Your Your is the second person possessive adjective, used to describe something as belonging to you. Your is nearly always followed by a noun. What is your name? Is this your pen? Your book is on the table. This is your chair and this is mine. What happened to your dog? Your being here is causing some problems. You're You're is the contraction of "you are" and is often followed by the present participle (verb form ending in -ing). You're going to be late. Is that what you're wearing? I think you're lying. If you're ready, we can go. I can't believe you're a doctor! When you're my age, you'll understand. The Bottom Line The confusion between your and you're occurs because the two words are pronounced pretty much the same. The ironclad rule - no exceptions - is that if you're able to replace the word with "you are," you're saying you're. Otherwise, your only choice is your.
Pod Liberator	Posted - 2011.07.20 04:15:00 - [27] Edited by: Pod Liberator on 20/07/2011 04:15:43 Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Chribba Originally by: DemetRYS Originally by: Chribba I wonder if I could pull off getting me and my alts taking all spots...? I think the better question is, why haven't you run? Actually it would be an honor representing the community, and I want to, however I have so far felt that I don't have the proper amount of time to set aside for CSM to be able to give the effort it deserves. So I have decided to not run until such a time when I can give it, and the community the full attention to push for the right changes. /c That's ok, I have time and will set aside time to be in the next CSM. Will your first act be making everyone use yellow text on the forums? Check out these colours!
Rhes Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.20 04:57:00 - [28] Edited by: Rhes on 20/07/2011 04:57:20 A better solution would be to make Mittens the permanent chairman and allow him to appoint the rest of the CSM as he sees fit.
Kevric Lament of the Phoenix The Covenant.	Posted - 2011.07.20 05:02:00 - [29] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson If you're unhappy with this CSM all you have to do is form an alliance, recruit thousands of members, train one of those members to talk out of his ass, and make sure he gets hired by CCP as lead designer for flying in space. Then get all your members to vote for you and you will have as much influence over the game as Alex and Kris do. Umm, what is this ****? Being an employee of CCP should automatically exclude you from being on the CSM.
DemetRYS Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.20 05:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Rhes Edited by: Rhes on 20/07/2011 04:57:20 A better solution would be to make Mittens the permanent chairman and allow him to appoint the rest of the CSM as he sees fit. Ninja please.



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