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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1090
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:15:00 -
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3 hours of work in highsec might be worth 10 mil. Maybe...
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Sakiya Shiratori
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:26:00 -
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Having a basic understanding of economy is apparantly not a requirement to play this game..
You don't control the market by limiting the available funds. What happens is that anything that can be used in High sec will plumit in price while the buying power will remain the same.
Nullsec players will get a cheap supply of ships though. LIke when a scandinavian travels to Africa and realise that his pocketchange is enough to buy a small village. Sounds fun right? Everything up to BS will have basically no value.
Only then will you realise that it isn't fun to shoot at stuff that doesn' t cry. Have fun |

Seminole Sun
Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative
2
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:37:00 -
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Sakiya Shiratori wrote:Having a basic understanding of economy is apparantly not a requirement to play this game..
You don't control the market by limiting the available funds. What happens is that anything that can be used in High sec will plumit in price while the buying power will remain the same.
Nullsec players will get a cheap supply of ships though. LIke when a scandinavian travels to Africa and realise that his pocketchange is enough to buy a small village. Sounds fun right? Everything up to BS will have basically no value.
Only then will you realise that it isn't fun to shoot at stuff that doesn' t cry. Have fun
The very nature of the OP shows that they understood the basics of the economics. They weren't asking for proposed isk vs. time numbers. They were asking for ship vs. time numbers which is a completely valid construct (I happen to think Plex vs. time is a BETTER indicator but whatever).
The vitriol on this thread is very odd to me as it seemed to be a perfectly valid question.
Ultimately, the question of how much is mining worth is fairly well answered by game mechanics. I can mine xx% of the minerals needed for a cruiser every hour. Therefore mining is worth yy cruisers / hour. That's fairly straighforward. ISK per hour rewards are also established by game mechanic but largely from lvl 4 missions and ratting (the major isk faucets in the game IIRC).
Most everything else is set by the market.
So the question becomes, what values should CCP try to navigate towards? What's wrong with that question? |

Tiger Would
EoE-Group
3055
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:41:00 -
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Ah another shanty town inhabitant that could not root inside the fold of civil Empire Space. But now, in slavery of his warlord he is in the poorhouse and logically does not look for the real problem within his soul.
Of course our supreme level of living in this civilized area called Empire Space is the fault of his complete failure as a immortal pod pilot.
It is sad enough, lets just nod in compassion for this lost soul...before we send him back to the gutter of New Eden to live out the rest of his eternal pod pilot life.
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |

Methesda
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:49:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:How come ganking freighters in high sec isn't on the list? Isn't that a source of high sec income?
If you turn your portraits body to your right a bit Silk, so that your shoulder comes out of that shadow, we'll all see the chip on your shoulder so much easier, and you wouldn't have to post. |

Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
139
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Posted - 2012.09.19 23:02:00 -
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It's called fun/hr or fun/ISK
never not fun/hr  I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |

TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.09.20 09:25:00 -
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Arcosian wrote:And lol ratting in carriers or PIMP fit faction BS 24/7 in NAP fest 0.0 is very dangerous. 
Carebear fallacy #3928: Nullsec is not dangerous (then why aren't YOU out ratting there, mr carebear?)
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John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
26
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Posted - 2012.09.20 09:45:00 -
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Just use real money to pay for accounts and buy ships. Gypsies  The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

Arec Bardwin
755
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Posted - 2012.09.20 09:51:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:in terms of fitted ships lost per day, what do you think hi sec income shoukd cover? ONE MIRRION ISK! |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
26
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Posted - 2012.09.20 09:53:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:[quote=Riot Girl]CCP probably want people in high sec to earn enough isk to pay for plex. Some people feel high sec profits are too high, but those high sec profits are what keeps CCP in business.
What a stupid attitude. I really don't understand this ******** idea that Hi-Sec must be crap because it's safe. Why should they lose their ships to tard griefers who can't get their fun any other way?
If it was up to me, there would be NO griefing of ANY kind in Hi-Sec. No suiciding, no can flipping, no scamming - nothing. Hi-Sec isn't Hi-Sec enough IMHO. Going to Low-Sec or Null should be a concious decision, and I don't accept that the rewards in Hi-Sec should be poor just because there's less danger. The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.09.20 09:58:00 -
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Was that post aimed at me or are you just ranting to yourself? I don't get it... You quoted someone else's post but only the part where he was quoting me and then you went on a rant about something irrelevant.
Anyway in response to your rant, people get shot in busy city centres in broad daylight all the time. Making it illegal and having police on patrol doesn't stop it from happening and that is how it is in Eve. |

William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
87
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:02:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:[quote=TheGunslinger42]If it was up to me, there would be NO griefing of ANY kind in Hi-Sec. No suiciding, no can flipping, no scamming - nothing. Hi-Sec isn't Hi-Sec enough IMHO. Going to Low-Sec or Null should be a concious decision, and I don't accept that the rewards in Hi-Sec should be poor just because there's less danger.
Luckily it is not up to you. That would be horrid. |

Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
82
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:27:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:posting in a stealth nerf lvl4 missions thread You mean a stealth Nerf High-sec thread, right. New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info. |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
26
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:31:00 -
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William Walker wrote:Luckily it is not up to you. That would be horrid.
For you perhaps. Which tells me all I need to know about you. The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
26
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:32:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Was that post aimed at me or are you just ranting to yourself? I don't get it... You quoted someone else's post but only the part where he was quoting me and then you went on a rant about something irrelevant.
Anyway in response to your rant, people get shot in busy city centres in broad daylight all the time. Making it illegal and having police on patrol doesn't stop it from happening and that is how it is in Eve.
No, it was aimed at Gunslinger and my post is relevant to his post if you bother to read it.
The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:38:00 -
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Okay, your formatting was confusing. |

Lord Zim
1513
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:39:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:What a stupid attitude. I really don't understand this ******** idea that Hi-Sec must be crap because it's safe. Why should they lose their ships to tard griefers who can't get their fun any other way? A large portion of us aren't saying "hisec must be crap", we're just saying "hisec is too good right now", as is evidenced by a large portion of nullsec running L4s instead of ratting in nullsec (well, they would've been, if it hadn't been for the FW farmville we've got going now).
John Ratcliffe wrote:If it was up to me, there would be NO griefing of ANY kind in Hi-Sec. No suiciding, no can flipping, no scamming - nothing. Hi-Sec isn't Hi-Sec enough IMHO. Good thing it isn't up to you then, isn't it?
John Ratcliffe wrote:Going to Low-Sec or Null should be a concious decision, and I don't accept that the rewards in Hi-Sec should be poor just because there's less danger. There's less danger, there's less effort ... gee, I wonder why there needs to be some adjustment downwards of hisec ... Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilotn++ won't be jumping home. |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
26
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:43:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:[Good thing it isn't up to you then, isn't it?
No. It's not good at all.
Quote:There's less danger, there's less effort ... gee, I wonder why there needs to be some adjustment downwards of hisec ...
You've got it twisted. Hi-Sec rewards are fine as it. Perhaps the rewards in Null need to be increased to reflect the risk?
The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:52:00 -
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What if the highest rewards were in low sec instead of null sec? This way anyone who wants the best rewards will be prey to the pirates. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:09:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:For you perhaps. Which tells me all I need to know about you. I hope you're trolling. I really hope.
I don't like people calling ridiculous things like "make high sec bringing 0 isk/hour". But I don't like the idea of hisec being glorified game menu either.
If you want CCP game with consensual-only sandbox content, wait for WoD, because in EVE you express consent by installing the game. I'm not crying that people shoot me in Unreal while all I want to do is enjoy landscapes.
Riot Girl wrote:What if the highest rewards were in low sec instead of null sec? This way anyone who wants the best rewards will be prey to the pirates.
Then lowsec will be new null for the most part. It doesn't really matter than alliances will have to bring some of their ships from actual null. |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:11:00 -
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This whole thread is stupid in the extreme. Scaming in high sec pays out 100 times as much isk as any other legal activity does. And yet not one mention about scams in this thread. Now if you propose to limit scaming in high sec then you will really see an uproar of epic proportions. Which makes this whole thread null and void IMHO.
So in the end you get what ever you can earn in high sec or low or null. Every player in EVE has the same choice and ability to play in any of these areas. As such nobody is being restricted or singled out or prevented from their earning power. Markets swing and change over time. The player has to swing with the times. Failure to do so and expecting CCP to change the game to your particular favor is just wrong.
Adapt or do not and then the failure is of your own making. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
30
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:12:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:I hope you're trolling. I really hope.
Nope. The attitude of a large number of players in this game sucks. I've never known a game community like this ever.
Quote:I don't like people calling ridiculous things like "make high sec bringing 0 isk/hour". But I don't like the idea of hisec being glorified game menu either.
If you want CCP game with consensual-only sandbox content, wait for WoD, because in EVE you express consent by installing the game. I'm not crying that people shoot me in Unreal while all I want to do is enjoy landscapes.
You're hardly comparing like with like are you?
The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
30
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:14:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:This whole thread is stupid in the extreme. Scaming in high sec pays out 100 times as much isk as any other legal activity does. And yet not one mention about scams in this thread. Now if you propose to limit scaming in high sec then you will really see an uproar of epic proportions. Which makes this whole thread null and void IMHO.
So in the end you get what ever you can earn in high sec or low or null. Every player in EVE has the same choice and ability to play in any of these areas. As such nobody is being restricted or singled out or prevented from their earning power. Markets swing and change over time. The player has to swing with the times. Failure to do so and expecting CCP to change the game to your particular favor is just wrong.
Adapt or do not and then the failure is of your own making.
An uproar from players who can't get cash legitimately in Hi-Sec is not something I care about. Let them move to Low/Null and scam each other stupid.
It has nothing to do with adaptation.
The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:14:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:You're hardly comparing like with like are you? Sounds ridiculous, right? Just like the idea of completely safe hisec. |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:16:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:This whole thread is stupid in the extreme. Scaming in high sec pays out 100 times as much isk as any other legal activity does. And yet not one mention about scams in this thread. Now if you propose to limit scaming in high sec then you will really see an uproar of epic proportions. Which makes this whole thread null and void IMHO.
So in the end you get what ever you can earn in high sec or low or null. Every player in EVE has the same choice and ability to play in any of these areas. As such nobody is being restricted or singled out or prevented from their earning power. Markets swing and change over time. The player has to swing with the times. Failure to do so and expecting CCP to change the game to your particular favor is just wrong.
Adapt or do not and then the failure is of your own making. An uproar from players who can't get cash legitimately in Hi-Sec is not something I care about. Let them move to Low/Null and scam each other stupid. It has nothing to do with adaptation.
And yet CCP allows scaming as a legit way to earn isk in eve. CCP supports it. So it is valid to this discussion even if you do not like it. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

Abannan
Moira. Villore Accords
30
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:18:00 -
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Should earn no more then mining copper ore in the woods |

Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:19:00 -
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Scamming is legit, but it's not something CCP can regulate. There is no way for CCP to control the amount of isk someone can earn through scamming. |

Tiger Would
EoE-Group
3156
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:21:00 -
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They are still at it ey....
Shanty town inbreds...........they will never appreciate the true supremacy of Empire Space citizens....
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:22:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Scamming is legit, but it's not something CCP can regulate. There is no way for CCP to control the amount of isk someone can earn through scamming.
Therefore this entire thread has no legs. Why limit earnings for legit trades when they can not or will not limit earnings for scams? Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
30
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:31:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:There's nothing non-legimate about scamming. Refer to numerous CCP's commentaries.
Bizarre. A developer that actually condones it's players ripping other players off, but intervenes with NPC Police if the ripped off players tries to punch the scammer in the face for being a cnut.
I think CCP need to give their head a shake...
The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |
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