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Kerron Dex Ormand	Posted - 2011.07.23 21:10:00 - [1] now that I am back to work I wanna buy another cruiser, well I am having a problem deciding on which one ether a Gallente thorax or a celestis. maybe a caldari cruiser I don't know which ship is the best? I have even thought about a amarr cruiser so I having a hard time. which faction has the best cruiser? I need to make up my mind before going into mining operations and battles. kerron was here..
Crucifire Horns of Steel Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.23 21:48:00 - [2] I think this vessel should suit your needs and abilities perfectly. Try not to **** it up!
Kazzzi Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.07.23 21:49:00 - [3] Bellicose ftw
Niques Saji Leutre	Posted - 2011.07.23 22:12:00 - [4] Senseless post nr. 4 Young pilot, please go back to school.
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.07.23 22:21:00 - [5] Of your choices, the Thorax is probably best suited for combat (at least at very close ranges). I'd go with it. But personally a Minmatar ship is better suited for general use, as their autocannons can hit targets outside of ten kilometers due to their long falloff range while at the same time delivering plenty of damage. Unity Prevails.
Kerron Dex Ormand	Posted - 2011.07.23 22:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Kerron Dex Ormand on 23/07/2011 22:58:00 only person who is relevant here is Rek Jaiga thanks a lot I might consider those options . As for the rest of you and you know who you are, petty words are nothing I hope your enemies kill you over and over!! I may not be able to sadly but I hope someone in the galaxy takes you out then you amarr and caldari who ever you are will know what is like being at the bottom.
Jason Galente Gallente mishima ryu Crimson Isk	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:06:00 - [7] Pilot, I would strongly advise against the Thorax in favor of the Caracal. In short, amongst other things (including aesthetics..), the Thorax has very poor accuracy. I used the Thorax for some time and ended up blowing it up with my Drake in disgust. Trust me, get the Caracal. The above is the author's personal opinion and may not represent the opinion of his CEO.
Myxx Atropos Group	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:19:00 - [8] Thoraxes are awesome. I've flown one since my third week in a pod. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye). Originally by: Tom Gerard Then again... I am a moron.
Lando Storm Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:25:00 - [9] Vexor isn't too bad of a boat. good mix of defensive/offensive/industrial traits. as long as you have half good drone skills that is.
Kerron Dex Ormand	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Lando Storm Vexor isn't too bad of a boat. good mix of defensive/offensive/industrial traits. as long as you have half good drone skills that is. yeah, I have a Vexor not a bad ship but I wanted a ship with good speed and missile batteries so I could hit a knock out blow or something like that or a ship with a good cargo hold. Maybe I should wait and train for a battle ship next, maybe... Kerron was here...

Lando Storm Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Kerron Dex Ormand Originally by: Lando Storm Vexor isn't too bad of a boat. good mix of defensive/offensive/industrial traits. as long as you have half good drone skills that is. yeah, I have a Vexor not a bad ship but I wanted a ship with good speed and missile batteries so I could hit a knock out blow or something like that or a ship with a good cargo hold. Maybe I should wait and train for a battle ship next, maybe... Kerron was here... yeah if you want a knock out blow then your best bet is to train for the battle ship and even then it depends on what you're shooting at.
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.07.24 00:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Kerron Dex Ormand [...]but I wanted a ship with good speed and missile batteries so I could hit a knock out blow or something like that or a ship with a good cargo hold. Maybe I should wait and train for a battle ship next, maybe... Finding a ship with both speed and missile batteries will be tough, because Caldari ships (which possess excellent and plentiful missile batteries) are not renowned for being particularly fast unless the capsuleer commanding it is skilled at navigation. With that being said, a Caracal probably sounds like the ship for you. Or if you want a ship with guns, missiles, speed, drones, and a sizeable cargo bay the Bellicose is actually a fine ship, but it will require much tranining in all of those systems. Unity Prevails.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.07.24 01:10:00 - [13] Can't go wrong with a Maller. I can't heal stupid
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.07.24 01:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Aiwha Can't go wrong with a Maller. It is admittedly a fine ship. But it's certainly not the fastest out there, to say the least.... Unity Prevails.
Jason Galente Gallente mishima ryu Crimson Isk	Posted - 2011.07.24 02:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Aiwha Can't go wrong with a Maller. Seconded. The Maller is a fine cruiser. The above is the author's personal opinion and may not represent the opinion of his CEO.
Raze Valadeus Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.07.24 11:30:00 - [16] As the variety of opinions may have already illuminated for you... There is no "best" cruiser for you to fly. They all operate under different principles and can be adapted to suit your personal preferences and flying style. The trick is to find one that suits you. The Thorax tends to be very close range with decent armor to take hits while it closes range. Once in range, the blasters it will be fit with tend to unleash devastation on their targets. The major drawbacks to this style of flight (if you choose to use the Thorax this way) is that it is extremely close range, relies heavily on propulsion to close range and has difficulty dealing with ranged cruisers such as the Caracal. The advantage is that it is also quite capable of dealing with frigates and smaller ships due to the excellent tracking of blasters. The Maller is an extremely durable cruiser. It is often very difficult to bring one down, but it lacks the firepower of some of the more popular cruiser choices. You may find it works significantly better with autocannons than it does with lasers (again depending on your flight style), or you may find that not worrying about propulsion and relying on the quick adaptability of lasers will allow you to control range without much difficulty. The primary disadvantage to the Maller is that it has difficulty being fit for anything beyond extreme durability. I could go into more detail about each cruiser, but I am not the final authority on these things. The point I'm making is that what is "best" for you will take some time and practice for you to determine. Try a few things out, find out what you're comfortable with and then select your cruiser to maximize that flying style. --------------- ~Raze Valadeus
Leopold Caine Amarr Stillwater Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.24 11:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Raze Valadeus The advantage is that it is also quite capable of dealing with frigates and smaller ships due to the excellent tracking of blasters. Excellent tracking of blasters? Entertaining. I haven't heard that one in a while. On the topic of cruisers, de gustibus non est disputandum, but I think with a Rupture or an Arbitrator you'll get most 'bang for the buck', colloquially said. _______________________________________________________________________ .domination sentinel .stillwater
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.07.24 13:11:00 - [18] To clarify and avoid any misunderstandings, blasters have more or less the same tracking values than autocannons if you compare raw numbers. The thing that makes blasters less permissive is simply the fact that they do not have the same falloff abilities. Though some gallente ships are specifically made to add some additionnal tracking to their weaponry.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.07.24 21:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Rek Jaiga Originally by: Aiwha Can't go wrong with a Maller. It is admittedly a fine ship. But it's certainly not the fastest out there, to say the least.... The only time you need speed is to run away. Why do you think Minmatar cruisers are so quick? I can't heal stupid
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.07.24 22:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Aiwha The only time you need speed is to run away. Why do you think Minmatar cruisers are so quick? You're a combat pilot; why say such a thing? You know just as well as I do that without speed you cannot dictate range, which means you risk your target "kiting" you or running away. And anyway, I was using some engineering software and found a fast yet durable Maller fit that can go around 1.5 km/s. While not terribly fast that's acceptable. The hunter must be swift as well as strong. I know this from both sides of the story: I have been frequent prey as well as occasional skirmisher. ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon...

Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.07.25 06:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Rek Jaiga Originally by: Aiwha The only time you need speed is to run away. Why do you think Minmatar cruisers are so quick? You're a combat pilot; why say such a thing? You know just as well as I do that without speed you cannot dictate range, which means you risk your target "kiting" you or running away. And anyway, I was using some engineering software and found a fast yet durable Maller fit that can go around 1.5 km/s. While not terribly fast that's acceptable. The hunter must be swift as well as strong. I know this from both sides of the story: I have been frequent prey as well as occasional skirmisher. Amarrian tactics dictate getting close and staying close. Pirates may need to skirt in and out of danger while picking off lone targets, but fleet pilots just need to be able to get in scrambler and web range. I can't heal stupid
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.07.25 06:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Aiwha Amarrian tactics dictate getting close and staying close. Pirates may need to skirt in and out of danger while picking off lone targets, but fleet pilots just need to be able to get in scrambler and web range. See, we don't have a fleet. We have maybe ten pilots at most in our squads, but never a huge Amarrian-style fleet. So admittedly we do use outlaw-style tactics, which are preferable for a solo pilot anyway (thus making them relevant for a single pilot asking for help on the IGS about ships and fittings). ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon...
Markius TheShed Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.25 06:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Kerron Dex Ormand I need to make up my mind before going into mining operations and battles. If you want mining AND battles you need a Scythe, 20% bonus to mining laser yield per level. You can fit 2 launchers and 3 turrets to it, So it has room to fit everything you need, don't forget to use different ammo types in each gun so you do more damage.
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.25 08:40:00 - [24] Why must idiots speak when they have nothing to say? Bringing a matter, such as this, to the IGS is about as appropriate as me creating a thread asking what colour pants I should wear from one day to the next. Want advice on ships? Ask your corporation buddies! But please, don't waste our time with it. So, what colour pants should I wear today? Anyone have any ideas? I need advice! Tigerfish.
Norrin Ellis Venture Racing	Posted - 2011.07.25 09:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Why must idiots speak when they have nothing to say? Bringing a matter, such as this, to the IGS is about as appropriate as me creating a thread asking what colour pants I should wear from one day to the next. Want advice on ships? Ask your corporation buddies! But please, don't waste our time with it. So, what colour pants should I wear today? Anyone have any ideas? I need advice! Tigerfish. Capsuleering is a pants-free activity, sir. --- CEO, Venture Racing VRT: Public (In-game channel) VRT (Mailing list)
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.25 09:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Norrin Ellis Capsuleering is a pants-free activity, sir. I was actually referring to times when I'm not capsuleering. I mean, if I were to head to planet-side, surely I shouldn't go without pants? Do I wear the black pants, or do I wear the blue pants? The agony of making such an important decision! Without advice from my peers, I shudder to think of the repercussions of choosing an unfashionable colour. Could you imagine the embarrassment of wearing white, or even beige coloured pants? IÆd never live it down! Some people think I troll for the sake of it. You know thatÆs not true û I just tire of stupidly pointless threads on the Summit. Tigerfish.
MisterNick Gallente The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.25 11:10:00 - [27] If you're looking for a good general purpose cruiser, I would recommend the Vexor. I know it lacks the missile hardpoints you were after, but it ticks all the other boxes - resilient, large drone bay, can take part in mining ops thanks to mining drone bonuses, and a formidable choice when engaging other capsuleers if fit with a large buffer. ----------------------------------------------- "Fools! I'll show them all!" What do you mean that one's already taken?
Raze Valadeus Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.07.25 13:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Originally by: Norrin Ellis Capsuleering is a pants-free activity, sir. I was actually referring to times when I'm not capsuleering. I mean, if I were to head to planet-side, surely I shouldn't go without pants? Do I wear the black pants, or do I wear the blue pants? The agony of making such an important decision! Without advice from my peers, I shudder to think of the repercussions of choosing an unfashionable colour. Could you imagine the embarrassment of wearing white, or even beige coloured pants? IÆd never live it down! Some people think I troll for the sake of it. You know thatÆs not true û I just tire of stupidly pointless threads on the Summit. Tigerfish. I would suggest a solid Navy Blue, Captain Torpedo. Certainly wouldn't want you to endure humility when you visit.
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.25 13:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Raze Valadeus I would suggest a solid Navy Blue, Captain Torpedo. Certainly wouldn't want you to endure humility when you visit. Again, my dear friend, you provide the voice of reason and help me spot the middle ground in my dilemma! Sir, I'm indebted to you, and will indeed wear a nice pair of Navy Blue pants! Crisis averted! That was a little touch-and-go for a moment though! Tigerfish. (now in navy blue!)
Kerron Dex Ormand	Posted - 2011.07.25 14:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Why must idiots speak when they have nothing to say? Bringing a matter, such as this, to the IGS is about as appropriate as me creating a thread asking what colour pants I should wear from one day to the next. Want advice on ships? Ask your corporation buddies! But please, don't waste our time with it. So, what colour pants should I wear today? Anyone have any ideas? I need advice! tigerfish torpedo the name says it all, please die over and over. Tigerfish.



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