I'd like to remind you all that the new destroyers aren't the focus of testing, they are incidental WiP contained in the build. The art team have not requested early focus on their work nor are the actively seeking feedback so will not be monitoring threads.

The art team have not requested early focus on their work nor are the actively seeking feedback so will not be monitoring threads.

[quote=CCP Goliath]
It would be responsible to ignore the reactions to the leaked designs at this early stage where changes can be easily made.

I'd like to remind you all that the new destroyers aren't the focus of testing, they are incidental WiP contained in the build. The art team have not requested early focus on their work nor are the actively seeking feedback so will not be monitoring threads.

Most people seem to be happy with the new Minmatar dessy

Only if by "most" you mean almost no one. In the threads I've seen on the topic, about 4 out of 5 agree it's a **** model that needs to be scrapped completely and started from scratch.

I think it looks fine. Certainly isn't the worst looking ship in the game.

these look like the work of 1st year students.. kind of expected something really impressive to match the new stealth bombers... i loved the t3 battle cruisers.. and had great hope for the dessie art...... these are sad... pls dont?

I'd like to remind you all that the new destroyers aren't the focus of testing, they are incidental WiP contained in the build. The art team have not requested early focus on their work nor are the actively seeking feedback so will not be monitoring threads.

So....what your telling us is, at the early stages, while things can still be easily changed, you do not want or care for feedback?

At what point is it generally excepted for feedback?

B/c less than 2 weeks before the pushed release for token feedback hasn't helped you retain customers much lately...

Just posted this in another thread of the same topic, I'll leave it here too.

attempt to make it look cool:
http://burhtun.com/sketches/mindest.jpg

Just posted this in another thread of the same topic, I'll leave it here too.

attempt to make it look cool:
http://burhtun.com/sketches/mindest.jpg

It's a bit worrying about the lack of response and the dismissiveness of the earlier dev reply. The model is so bad that people were speculating that it was a dev troll over at FH.

Just posted this in another thread of the same topic, I'll leave it here too.

attempt to make it look cool:
http://burhtun.com/sketches/mindest.jpg

It's eerily similar to the "we don't believe you" responses we all got while telling them the Uni Inv was a busted up piece of junk while it was still on SiSi...

It's really not at all. We've never had this early level of public testing before, and it's important to focus on the features that we ask for feedback on, not the ones we explicitly don't. I wasn't being dismissive in the slightest, just trying to keep people focused on what was the subject of the tests - ship balancing.

It's really not at all. We've never had this early level of public testing before, and it's important to focus on the features that we ask for feedback on, not the ones we explicitly don't. I wasn't being dismissive in the slightest, just trying to keep people focused on what was the subject of the tests - ship balancing.

It's really not at all. We've never had this early level of public testing before, and it's important to focus on the features that we ask for feedback on, not the ones we explicitly don't. I wasn't being dismissive in the slightest, just trying to keep people focused on what was the subject of the tests - ship balancing.

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players.

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Can you please explain the balls on the Gallente destroyer, was the Thorax not phallic enough?

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Type45

Hey

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe ...

i dont fly minmatar and il be brutaly honest ccp the new minmatar desto looks like S**T fix it so i dot have to waste ammo on an ugly ship when i put it out of its missery

Thank you, it's intentionally utilitarian and spartan, ie it's Minmatar.

Spartan doesn't go hand in hand with ugly. The Hurricane, Hound, new Tempest and new Stabber are sparse and definitely Minmatar yet, attractive designs. They have a flow to them where the flying tank doesn't. I think Roll Sizzle Beef hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the jarring lack of transition from the angled, almost stylized, solar panels on the front to the main body. It goes from spindly to BAM, this brick with yet another small brick stuck on the top. There's no flow and the profile just doesn't look like anything else in the Minmatar ship lineup. It strikes me more as related to the ORE barges than a Matari warship.

Oh well, it doesn't matter. CCP wants this design and this is what we'll end up with even though opinions in these forums are running about 5 to 1 against it.

But none of those are nearly as ugly as the moa...so we getting a remodel of it? :P

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

[quote=CCP Huskarl]



Fake. Photoshop. This doesn't exist except as a concept, hasn't been built, and likely never will be. Too expensive and with limited purpose. Radar concealment isn't that effective when your hull is transferring the sound of your engines to the water and telling people 100s of miles away that you are there, if they are listening. Pointless and pointlessly expensive.

btw use this for the model:
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/279/7/a/caldari_peregrine_battleship_by_cosmos6173-d306g3s.jpg

[quote=CCP Huskarl]Hey





This is just weird. Kind of stupid actually, and the Engineer should probably.. scratch that, was probably shot, (for wasting money; either that, or he ended up in the Tower of London). I realize the design has a purpose, but I doubt he really thought that one through, and it probably doesn't work very well.

Guessing it was designed to deflect rocket propelled grenades of the front of the craft without detonating them. If they hit just right, it would probably work.

This is just weird. Kind of stupid actually, and the Engineer should probably.. scratch that, was probably shot, (for wasting money; either that, or he ended up in the Tower of London). I realize the design has a purpose, but I doubt he really thought that one through, and it probably doesn't work very well.

Guessing it was designed to deflect rocket propelled grenades of the front of the craft without detonating them. If they hit just right, it would probably work.

Fake and doesn't exist? Never been built and never will be? Your Navy-fu is weak!

I think the Royal Navy would have something to say to your ridiculous statement, seeing as the Type 45 Daring Class entered service in 2009 after completing sea trials. And the RN currently have 4 out of the planned 6 in service!

Info on the Daring here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer

Also if you think the Type 45 is fake, check out the planned Type 26 Global Combat Ship here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_26_frigate. That is paper only at the moment, but like the Type 45, will be coming to a warzone near you, courtesy of the Royal Navy, Soon (tm)

edit2: Although, on 2nd look, that original is just a poor 3D model representation.

edit3: That 2nd link doesn't go anywhere. Perhaps it was fake?

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45

How dare you quote a HIND has ugly! Its beautiful, iconic and AWESOME!

Although I see it as gallente.

Minmatar is more like the MIL-28 Havoc.

edit: That is to say, I was right, it doesn't exist. Your ship is just a cheap knockoff. Cripes, the hull is even buckled in places because they used thin metal plating.

: That 2nd link doesn't go anywhere. Perhaps it was fake?

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45

- wall of incoherency -

Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

The hate is a bit surprising, its not that bad.

My .02 ISK on the matter of the new Matari destroyer:

The hull is ugly. That's not that uncommon in New Eden. There are quite a number of aesthetically unpleasing hull designs. Some of them even grow on you . Right now, that's how I feel about this new Matari destroyer. It's ugly. The transition form the boxy hull to the snow-plow-esque radiator panels is jarring, and the 'bridge' boxy bit is even more jarring (as it strongly resembles its tank-like inspiration -- something that feels incredibly out of place in New Eden). But it's close to being one of those 'ugly' designs that could grow on me.

I think the overall design isn't too bad. If it were just tweaked here and there it could join the ranks of the ugly-but-somehow-aesthetically-pleasing hulls.

Regardless, I'm going to pilot this ship. A rocket/light missile spewing destroyer sounds way too fun.

Be that as it may, but I doubt they'd have a problem with the admiration for their great work expressed here.

Gotta admit, I really like the new Caldari destroyer, though the Gallente one's model isn't far behind.

Also, I never thought I'd ever warm up to the Tempest, I really didn't. Its new model definitely shows promise.

Wha...new Tempest model? What is this sorcery (and link it please?)

I think it's not so bad but could be better

But wtf with Amarr?! Seriously it's just redone Coercer... big fail

Well, they are trying.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/20121021003206.jpg

Compared to
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178174_10151200446844394_960725359_o.jpg

So it is in flux and still WIP. Though I knew we were going to get the same general shape. They are trying to make a fast brick. Something you can proudly hurtle though your enemies front windshield.

Well, they are trying.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/20121021003206.jpg

Compared to
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178174_10151200446844394_960725359_o.jpg

So it is in flux and still WIP. Though I knew we were going to get the same general shape. They are trying to make a fast brick. Something you can proudly hurtle though your enemies front windshield.

All i can see that they changed was added an antenna set to the front of each side. So now it looks like a snow plowing/solar powered garbage scow WITH SENSORS. Still just as dumb.

And to the poster that says it will look better with launchers. Not likely, the turrets on dessy hulls aren't exactly huge. And remember the new trend to make the hulls larger so the turrets seem even smaller?

On a lighter note, it's great to fly

Here it is with launchers 1 2, I tried to get some decent shots but I'm afraid that the design of the thing makes it difficult! I'm not a fan, seems pretty obvious that CCP are leaving us with this as is

On a lighter note, it's great to fly

So....what your telling us is, at the early stages, while things can still be easily changed, you do not want or care for feedback?

At what point is it generally excepted for feedback?

B/c less than 2 weeks before the pushed release for token feedback hasn't helped you retain customers much lately...

Meh.. the minmatar destroyer looks really bad.
I think minmatar ships in general look worse than other ships, but this is just terrible. I like to fly destroyers, but i think i will not fly this piece of s**t because it looks just not cool :(.

Please, if possible.. make it more interesting! Thasher-like would be great!

Meh.. the minmatar destroyer looks really bad.
I think minmatar ships in general look worse than other ships, but this is just terrible. I like to fly destroyers, but i think i will not fly this piece of s**t because it looks just not cool :(.

Please, if possible.. make it more interesting! Thasher-like would be great!

have you checked out the newest version of the new minnie destroyer on duality?
in my opinion it looks awesome and very minmatarish. a lot of detail has been added.
it's also ok to dislike internet steampunk spaceships, but that much hate is unjustified.

I understand where you are coming from (the Caldari one looks like a u-boat)...but I'm still not sold on the idea...and it is certainly not growing on me. TBH, tanks never really attracted me much...or I would be playing World of Tanks instead of EVE.

fixed it for you