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Mandrid Mandragoran
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:42:00 -
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I was hauling minerals between Palas and Amarr in my Bestower when I noticed something very odd while traveling through Gidali. Sanshas on the gate. Lots of them. It was a Live Event - the first I've ever seen. Exciting, for sure. I promptly jumped one system over to hop into my Abaddon and joined a local fleet that was forming.
It took nearly 30 minutes for the fleet to finish oragnizing. We were a sizable fleet, 70 pilots strong, some which had come from upwards of 30 jumps distant. Logi pilots had set up chains and watch lists. The local PvE DPS had refit for incursions (EHP, Omni resists, DPS). Last minute advice was being handed out, fittings analyzed, anchors set, as we scrambled to organize while we gathered on both sides of Gidali.
Battle comms was called. Reports were still coming in of lone battleships being chased down and popped by the Sahshas as they jumped into Gidali and to their doom. The order was given - fleet undock, jump to Gidali, assemble on Planet 1.
A torrent of ships spews from the station, a steady stream warping across the system, continuous gate fire propelling our fleet to Gidali. The gate on the other side is cluttered with wreckage. We ignore it, and burn to Planet 1. The fleet assembles, all 70 ships, the logi chain cris-crossing the fleet like a game of cat's cradle gone awry. Modules on every ship, prepped and ready for combat, illuminate the scene in a pulsating glow. We are ready for this.
But we were met only with silence. The wormholes that the Sanshas had been invading through had disappeared. Scavengers were finishing picking at the wreckage on the gates. It could not have been more than 45-60 minutes since the event had begun, and already, without even being able to participate, it was over.
We waited for another 15 minutes. The hope and excitement that had been so high in the fleet only minutes before had been entirely snuffed out. There was no anger though. Only sadness. The fleet was called. Our pilots drifted away, back to the drudgery that seemed even more pale than it did only an hour ago.
We've been had. We've been robbed.
CCP, Slave Nakri29, if you're reading this, please know that it is quite cruel to toy with us like that. It is a major party foul to call a live event and then bail out before the guests arrive.
~ Mandrid
Main thread here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1558165
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:45:00 -
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Sounds like the scavengers had the right idea.
And if you know theres a main thread, post there. You're not special. Hope the mod's delete this one, we need a little more discipline on the forums.
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Lando Storm
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:48:00 -
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take it to intergalactic summit
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Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:50:00 -
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LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
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Mandrid Mandragoran
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Sounds like the scavengers had the right idea.
And if you know theres a main thread, post there. You're not special. Hope the mod's delete this one, we need a little more discipline on the forums.
I posted in General because I thought it had a place here, because I believe Events and Gatherings is for planning social events, both in and out of game. General felt more appropriate. Not to mention, it has higher exposure.
Originally by: Lando Storm
take it to intergalactic summit
I believe the Intergalactic Summit is for Role-Playing.
Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
I'm sorry we can't all measure up to Goonswarm standards.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:56:00 -
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What, you wanted the Sansha invasion to wait for you guys to get your act together?
Hmm, I wonder how different real invasions and attacks would go had they also waited for the other team to get their acts together and finally show up for a SURPRISE attack.
Pearl Harbor:
"Wait wait, you Japanese Zeroes hold up a second! Let us get all our guys some breakfast and to their gun stations before you go dropping all those bombs. Thanks!"
Abbottabad:
"Whoa guys, SEAL Team 6 stand down a minute. Bin Laden is still in bed and his guys are SRSLY tired. Let 'em get some coffee down and then we'll attack."
"Here's your sign..."
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Mandrid Mandragoran
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
What, you wanted the Sansha invasion to wait for you guys to get your act together?
Hmm, I wonder how different real invasions and attacks would go had they also waited for the other team to get their acts together and finally show up for a SURPRISE attack.
Pearl Harbor:
"Wait wait, you Japanese Zeroes hold up a second! Let us get all our guys some breakfast and to their gun stations before you go dropping all those bombs. Thanks!"
Abbottabad:
"Whoa guys, SEAL Team 6 stand down a minute. Bin Laden is still in bed and his guys are SRSLY tired. Let 'em get some coffee down and then we'll attack."
Well, at least someone in this thread has a valid argument. :-p
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Zelphinine
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Posted - 2011.07.28 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
What, you wanted the Sansha invasion to wait for you guys to get your act together?
Hmm, I wonder how different real invasions and attacks would go had they also waited for the other team to get their acts together and finally show up for a SURPRISE attack.
Well yes. Since EVE is a game.
Just so we're clear here. A game is meant to be fun. If CCP sets off a live event and then closes it before any real number of players show up to enjoy it . . . they're doing it wrong.
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Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.28 19:39:00 -
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Confirming that you're entitled to have a live event wait for you to be ready rather than play out live.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO THAT I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.28 19:39:00 -
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Why should they wait for you when you took so long?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.07.28 19:45:00 -
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From my experience, they usually keep hopping around incursion areas until they get cornered. Next time send scouts out across the constellation and find them.
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Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
Torque Theory
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Posted - 2011.07.28 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Why should they wait for you when you took so long?
I guess next time I should tell the FC to hurry the heck up. :-p
... but why would anyone go in at all, when the fleet isn't assembled, and Logi still isn't ready? That would be like just throwing ships away. An FC who warps a fleet into combat before it is ready and ends up loosing ships in a sh##-storm would be ripped a new one, and might be told to never FC again.
Originally by: Zelphinine
Well yes. Since EVE is a game.
Just so we're clear here. A game is meant to be fun. If CCP sets off a live event and then closes it before any real number of players show up to enjoy it . . . they're doing it wrong.
This is a valid point as well. If CCP is going to create live events where a lack of organization and preparedness would mean the loss of your ship, and then jump out before a prepared fleet can arrive to take part, then all they are doing is encouraging players to NOT take part in live events.
A live event would form, people would vacate the system, and simply wait for it to pass, because by the time any organized response forms, the live event would be over or move on, and all that would have been accomplished was wasting one hour times 200+ people who are running fire-drills at the behest of CCP.
If CCP keeps doing that, no one will want to do a live event, and the purpose of live events will have failed.
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Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2011.07.28 20:39:00 -
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A live event isn't necessarily supposed to be for you go blast up some NPCs, it's about carrying the plot forward in a way that the players can interact with. That's the beauty about live events; if you had ended up getting there in time and killing the sanshas, something entirely different may happen for the next live event based on the outcome of this one. We'll never know.
If you want to blast up sanshas, there's always Stain and incursions.
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Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.28 20:41:00 -
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If people like you keep *****ing about live events then they will simply stop doing them. They were forced to a long time ago due to whiny ungrateful players doing nothing but complaining.
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Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
Torque Theory
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Posted - 2011.07.28 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
If people like you keep *****ing about live events then they will simply stop doing them. They were forced to a long time ago due to whiny ungrateful players doing nothing but complaining.
This, coming from the Lady Spank who is being whiny and ungrateful about getting free AUR tomorrow?
I do agree with your thread on that topic, btw. But that is an entirely different matter. Still though, you can't "whine and be ungrateful" in one thread, and then accuse someone of wishing for change on a different matter in a different thread.
Hopefully, CCP reads these forums every now and then and sees what their players wish to see in the game, or wish to see changed in the game. Will you deny me the right to wish that Live Events be handled differently, so that more may participate?
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 28/07/2011 21:01:49
I don't recall whining. I objected to being duped by a marketing gimmick.
EDIT: But to give you the benefit of the doubt, CCP DO read these threads and take on board constructive criticism. There was a thread about a different recent live event that had a good bit of discourse between the staff involved and the players involved.
I don't think anyone from CCP is reading the forums today considering the number of troll threads that are not being locked.
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Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
Torque Theory
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
A live event isn't necessarily supposed to be for you go blast up some NPCs, it's about carrying the plot forward in a way that the players can interact with. That's the beauty about live events; if you had ended up getting there in time and killing the sanshas, something entirely different may happen for the next live event based on the outcome of this one. We'll never know.
If you want to blast up sanshas, there's always Stain and incursions.
If CCP's telling a story here, they're being rather cryptic about it. Is there truly a story being driven here? All we know, and all we saw, was some Sanshas invading Gidali, and then disappearing. Some CCP pilot was saying something about how awesome slavery is. That's pretty much it.
I don't mean to say that players need to be spoon-fed the story here. But if this is supposed to be some piece to a larger puzzle, who has the pieces that have been placed so far, and how does it look when you put them together?
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
Ahhhhàà.the stench of a sneering elitist. Or perhaps itÆs the smell of someone who thinks he has compensated for the size of other things by being one of a ôsizeableö group.
A fleet of 70 pilots under the conditions stated IS sizeable. It was created on the spur of the moment, in high sec and composed of people who donÆt normally fly together. Not too shabby.
-Windjammer
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Rise Kujikawa
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
For PvE? That's a freaking horde.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:07:00 -
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Considering 70 people is about the amount you could expect to find in a single system in high-sec, having someone from 0.0 (which houses a considerably smaller percentage of the playerbase) laugh at you for considering it a large fleet is quite reasonable.
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Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrid Mandragoran
Originally by: Roosterton
A live event isn't necessarily supposed to be for you go blast up some NPCs, it's about carrying the plot forward in a way that the players can interact with. That's the beauty about live events; if you had ended up getting there in time and killing the sanshas, something entirely different may happen for the next live event based on the outcome of this one. We'll never know.
If you want to blast up sanshas, there's always Stain and incursions.
If CCP's telling a story here, they're being rather cryptic about it. Is there truly a story being driven here? All we know, and all we saw, was some Sanshas invading Gidali, and then disappearing. Some CCP pilot was saying something about how awesome slavery is. That's pretty much it.
I don't mean to say that players need to be spoon-fed the story here. But if this is supposed to be some piece to a larger puzzle, who has the pieces that have been placed so far, and how does it look when you put them together?
Who knows? Perhaps we haven't been given all the pieces yet.
(Saying that makes me feel so unbelievably corny.)
Something is happening though, between sleepers dropping in on wormholes, sanshas INVADING and not just sitting around in sites, and mysterious Pilgrims piloted by CCP being spotted. Relax and see where the plot takes you.
CCP, please don't cancel live events again due to ungratefulness and impatience.
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Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
If people like you keep *****ing about live events then they will simply stop doing them. They were forced to a long time ago due to whiny ungrateful players doing nothing but complaining.
The OP has not whined so much as he has chided CCP for what he considers a lack in the event and at the same time suggesting a course of action to improve the event. You have to admit, it was pretty short lived.
CCP have said many times that they wish feedback. This is it.
-Windjammer
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Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
Ahhhhàà.the stench of a sneering elitist. Or perhaps itÆs the smell of someone who thinks he has compensated for the size of other things by being one of a ôsizeableö group.
Like Goonhaters? Hi pot, I'm kettle. o/\o m8m8m8
-Windjammer
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Considering 70 people is about the amount you could expect to find in a single system in high-sec, having someone from 0.0 (which houses a considerably smaller percentage of the playerbase) laugh at you for considering it a large fleet is quite reasonable.
YouÆve omitted the pertinent variables in your calculation. For instance the fact that the elitist is a member of a corp boasting over two thousand. Easy for a corp like that to gather hundreds. Hard for a group of strangers from a number of different corps to get together.
You know this and youÆre just posting to be contentious. Come up with better or risk being ignored.
-Windjammer
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
Ahhhhàà.the stench of a sneering elitist. Or perhaps itÆs the smell of someone who thinks he has compensated for the size of other things by being one of a ôsizeableö group.
Like Goonhaters? Hi pot, I'm kettle. o/\o m8m8m8
-Windjammer
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Lady Spank
Considering 70 people is about the amount you could expect to find in a single system in high-sec, having someone from 0.0 (which houses a considerably smaller percentage of the playerbase) laugh at you for considering it a large fleet is quite reasonable.
YouÆve omitted the pertinent variables in your calculation. For instance the fact that the elitist is a member of a corp boasting over two thousand. Easy for a corp like that to gather hundreds. Hard for a group of strangers from a number of different corps to get together.
You know this and youÆre just posting to be contentious. Come up with better or risk being ignored.
-Windjammer
Well now we have the other issue... People that wish to do fleet ops should get organised to facilitate such activity.
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Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:28:00 -
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At the risk of making windjammer smug as hell, the more I've read of this, my comment was somewhat elitist and misinformed. Been too long since I've been in highsec for any great length of time. I retract my LOL @, and beg forgiveness from this thread.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 28/07/2011 21:33:26
Organizing a hisec fleet in a random location within 30 - 45 minutes is about as good as it's going to get. The fact that they were able to assemble +70 pilots in that amount of time is a feat in itself. Seriously.
One must question the point of a live event if it's not going to last long enough draw in, reasonably, as many customers as possible before it ends.
This is the equivalent of having the World Cup hosted in a location and a time unknown to the rest of the world until the kick off and expecting people that want to participate to drop everything in the hopes they can reach it before its over.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:31:00 -
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As soon as communal areas are added to WIS we can have a party together and stop all this violence.
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Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:33:00 -
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I'll bring booze and greasy food!
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I'm 5particus
Minmatar
REV0LTING
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:38:00 -
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As a pilot that responded to the Sansha Incursion into Hebisa I arrive on site around 8 minutes after SEC-COM alert was issued and found around two dozen other war ships already in action within the next 15 minutes our force had grown considerable.
Waiting 40 minutes until an over whelming force was assembled is a clear failure of Amarr military doctrine.
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Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
Torque Theory
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Well now we have the other issue... People that wish to do fleet ops should get organised to facilitate such activity.
I'm sorry, but how exactly can anyone expect a bunch of random pilots in a L4 mission running system to be "organized to facilitate such activity" as a random live event?
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:43:00 -
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How about forming a corporation of like-minded individuals with a common interest in downing tools (mission boats) and heading out whenever a live event, or incursion crops up? There are corps that do exactly this and I don't see anything but reports of awesome events and nice Incursion income from them.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Edited by: Feligast on 28/07/2011 21:30:16
At the risk of making windjammer smug as hell, the more I've read of this, my comment was somewhat elitist and misinformed. Been too long since I've been in highsec for any great length of time. I retract my LOL @, and beg forgiveness from this thread.
IÆm nearly speechless, but not in the least smug. It was decent of you to post the retraction.
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Pok Nibin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:46:00 -
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Mandrid, I see your point. You have to understand most of the posters on your thread don't do much else but post on threads to sound like either the forum's disgruntled owners, or general experts at forum etiquette. (Though a pitiful few can spell that word.)
Run down the list of names and you'll get the clique roster.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
How about forming a corporation of like-minded individuals with a common interest in downing tools (mission boats) and heading out whenever a live event, or incursion crops up? There are corps that do exactly this and I don't see anything but reports of awesome events and nice Incursion income from them.
A nice thought except for a couple things. Incursions happen a lot more often than live events. In fact they are a persistent feature in EVE. Also, each incursion lasts a good deal longer than an hourààà.more like days.
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Ebon Rue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.28 23:17:00 -
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Quote:
This is the equivalent of having the World Cup hosted in a location and a time unknown to the rest of the world until the kick off and expecting people that want to participate to drop everything in the hopes they can reach it before its over.
This pretty much sums up the problem, but the solution? It isn't to give 24 hours notice of a live event, due to the nature of this live event, doing that would spoil value of it. What the OP seems to be looking for is either Longer Live Events, or perhaps some Worhmhole detection system giving a region 1 hours notice? >_< Still don't like that idea however.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.29 00:26:00 -
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You took almost an hour to form up?
I'm not surprised it was over and done with by the time you got your arse in gear.
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Aprie
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Posted - 2011.07.29 00:31:00 -
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Lol! You wanted a CCP mechanic to work like it is supposed to and provide you with context appropriate enjoyment?
Hell no! You'll have to deal with the power ganker/exploiter mentality of the player base and watch this mechanic go to hell just like Faction Warfare.
Yeah, DUST is really going to be used as intended too. Lolcakes!
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
No Option
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.29 00:52:00 -
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It wasn't mentioned in the OP: Are you sure a different fleet didn't engage/drive back the Sansha?
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
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Posted - 2011.07.29 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 29/07/2011 04:13:48
It didn't used to take an entire "fleet" of 50-70 pilots. A gang of 5 guys were able to handle the old live events, and the drops were officer loot and blueprints worth billions, sometimes even ships that had been ejected from FULL TO THE BRIM of faction mods and loot.
I don't understand why all the PVErs feel "entitled" to this stuff. If you're there, cool. Do something about it. If you're not, you missed it, better luck next time.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.29 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 29/07/2011 05:15:14
Originally by: Mandrid Mandragoran
I was hauling minerals between Palas and Amarr in my Bestower when I noticed something very odd while traveling through Gidali. Sanshas on the gate. Lots of them. It was a Live Event - the first I've ever seen. Exciting, for sure. I promptly jumped one system over to hop into my Abaddon and joined a local fleet that was forming.
It took nearly 30 minutes for the fleet to finish oragnizing. We were a sizable fleet, 70 pilots strong, some which had come from upwards of 30 jumps distant. Logi pilots had set up chains and watch lists. The local PvE DPS had refit for incursions (EHP, Omni resists, DPS). Last minute advice was being handed out, fittings analyzed, anchors set, as we scrambled to organize while we gathered on both sides of Gidali.
Battle comms was called. Reports were still coming in of lone battleships being chased down and popped by the Sahshas as they jumped into Gidali and to their doom. The order was given - fleet undock, jump to Gidali, assemble on Planet 1.
A torrent of ships spews from the station, a steady stream warping across the system, continuous gate fire propelling our fleet to Gidali. The gate on the other side is cluttered with wreckage. We ignore it, and burn to Planet 1. The fleet assembles, all 70 ships, the logi chain cris-crossing the fleet like a game of cat's cradle gone awry. Modules on every ship, prepped and ready for combat, illuminate the scene in a pulsating glow. We are ready for this.
But we were met only with silence. The wormholes that the Sanshas had been invading through had disappeared. Scavengers were finishing picking at the wreckage on the gates. It could not have been more than 45-60 minutes since the event had begun, and already, without even being able to participate, it was over.
We waited for another 15 minutes. The hope and excitement that had been so high in the fleet only minutes before had been entirely snuffed out. There was no anger though. Only sadness. The fleet was called. Our pilots drifted away, back to the drudgery that seemed even more pale than it did only an hour ago.
We've been had. We've been robbed.
CCP, Slave Nakri29, if you're reading this, please know that it is quite cruel to toy with us like that. It is a major party foul to call a live event and then bail out before the guests arrive.
~ Mandrid
Main thread here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1558165
Thanks for posting in GD, Otherwise I'd have never seen it.
Sorry to hear so many folks were let down by the event. Gotta be the opposite effect CCP is shooting for by having events in the first place, one would think. You should send a feedback petition. Makes me miss eve circa 2003-4 all the more. The events then were one of my favorite things in eve. Once again CCP is missing the boat by failing to execute on a good idea.
It would've been very easy to avoid such hurt-feelings by simply letting folks know that if they can't arrive by "such and such time" then they shouldn't bother coming. But hey, it's not like they're upsetting paying customers or anything...
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.29 06:07:00 -
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Never seen bigger than a Corp roam get assembled quicker than 45 mins in my life.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.07.29 07:18:00 -
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I'd like to point you folks at this sadly misplaced thread over in Events & Gatherings - WTF!? isn't that just RL ones? I thought all the Incursion and Live Event stuff belonged into Mission & Complexes?
Anyhow, there's an official blue bar apology and explanation in there.
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