riskless tactics are not a good thing for EVE (at least IMO). That goes for hi-sec carebears like myself as well. NOTHING we do should be riskless (I LIKED Hulkageddon... mostly because I tanked my Hulk ;)

I think the problem with hisec bumping is that the bumpee is without option to respond or retaliate in kind. (no, bumping people back with a freighter does not count :p )

If you are shot at you can shoot back without hindrance.

If you are stolen from you can shoot back without hindrance.

If you are harassed by a bumper (who is in a cheap insured ship in a undecable npc corp) you can't do nothing of real value to defend yourself. Neither can your friends. All you can do is hope you have more patience than he does, which is not the best game mechanic.

Thus there needs to be a solution to allow active at the keyboard players to do something about getting harrased by a bumper. Something similar to the current theft mechanics.


(I live in lowsec and have no industrial/trader alts, at best I do ammo runs to the local hub)

If you are bumped you can wardec the person, suicide gank them, bump them back... You have options to retaliate against this behaviour, but you carebears choose to complain about it instead of using said options.

Where did James 315 bump you?

That much aside...yes. It is a valid tactic. Until such a day as ships can collide with one another for damage...totally valid. What if I see a freighter in hi-sec being a buffoon and carrying 10b isk in goodies, why should he have 0 risk for being a moron and me not be able to bump him away from the gates until a gank-squad arrives?

There are many uses beyond just this, and not simply limited to hi-sec.

Think you're just a victim of someone's bumpage and lashing out because you lost something. So...I go back to the original question.

Short version: Yes, I think bumping should stay. I also think it should get some basic physics adjustments.

~Zyella

I can agree to that.

Though, I am still waiting for the day I can deal damage by ramming someone.

While I do think bumping should be an active tactic, I also feel that (no pun intended) size should matter. If you are in a frigate, and you bump said freighter, you should go careening off into deep space. The freighter should barely have moved at all.

Short version: Yes, I think bumping should stay. I also think it should get some basic physics adjustments.~Zyella

F = ma

Irony is ironic; are you forgetting that frigate, if traveling at several thousand meters per second transfers a lot more energy/force to the target than its basic mass would suggest? There's also little to no friction in the near-vacuum of space, so each vessel should bounce off in appropriate directions and at appropriate velocities.

Ok my next example is using a neutral alt to bump a WT off station as he undocks or when he agresses. This is riskless yet I think its fair. Another example is bumping a miner thats dieing to rats, this is also riskless and has the byproduct of being funny as hell.

As to what goons are doing bumping a freighter to hault I believe it serves a duel perpose neither of which I am against. true it stops them from warping but this happens all over eve every day whether its a gank or not, and second bumping can be used to slow a targets movement so you can apply more dps or a bigger volley. Are you proposing that we do away with ship collision all together and make ships just fly through eachother because that is a total immersion buzzkill for me.


ps. did goons gank you or somthing to make you make this post?

Take a VW Bug and bump it into a Tractor truck and see what happens. Odds are the truck won't move a millimeter and your VW bug will get kinda smushy in the front. Why such basic physics eludes CCP is beyond me.

Translation: If a a ship with 1/10000th the mass of a freighter hits a freighter, then it's not the freighter that should have it's speed or course changed.

Have you actually tried redirecting a freighter? You can't exactly do it with a frigate.

If you're so worried about being bumped, orbit something! pop out a can and orbit at 500m! Only way to stop you is for your aggressor to take from the can, which allows you to shoot him.

This (somewhat ridiculous) mini-threadnought eventually raised a good question (somewhere around page 8 if you're interested)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155027&find=unread

And that is, is there a valid reason to have ship bumping in the game?

My concern/issue/problem is that it is an absolutely riskless activity with no consequences and no correspondingly cheap counter. Sure, I can shoot the guy, but in hi-sec that incurs a lost ship and a security status penalty (not to mention, if I can kill him inside 20 seconds I almost certainly lost a lot more valuable ship than he had). As a result, it strikes me as very nearly the definition of griefing. Leaving aside the issue of ganking, it's just someone causing problems for which there's no rational, reasonable solution.


There was a time when titan bumping was the only form of tackling with subcaps. With heavy interdictors, that's not the case any more.

So does this relic have a place any longer?

Where did James 315 bump you?

That much aside...yes. It is a valid tactic. Until such a day as ships can collide with one another for damage...totally valid. What if I see a freighter in hi-sec being a buffoon and carrying 10b isk in goodies, why should he have 0 risk for being a moron and me not be able to bump him away from the gates until a gank-squad arrives?

There are many uses beyond just this, and not simply limited to hi-sec.

Think you're just a victim of someone's bumpage and lashing out because you lost something. So...I go back to the original question.

Bumping can go away when station games and gate games can go away, mmkay?

You can remove bumping IF:
-Repping people gives aggro so you can't dock/jump as soon as someone shoots your neutral alt yes
-Aggression timer extended to 2 minutes of more no
-You can't jump anymore trough WH while aggressed yes

My concern/issue/problem is that it is an absolutely riskless activity with no consequences and no correspondingly cheap counter.

That describes highsec mission running, highsec incursion running, and highsec mining. Lets add risk to all of those.

High sec mission running does not affect other players.

High sec incursion running does not affect other players.

High sec mining does not affect other players (but unless you are in a Skiff it does have risk).