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LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.26 21:56:00 - [1] I think this is a stupid thing to allow. Personally I have noticed 2 alliances fall to this kind of thing, and quite frankly it isn't Fair to allow a corp to war with an alliance. I believe CCP only charges the corp as if they are attacking a corp, and if an alliance wanted to war with another alliance it would cost 100s of millions of isk. So why let a single corp to start a war with an alliance, when all they are looking for is people to gank in empire. Most of the alliances in this game have 0.0 space. If your corp wants to fight, head down to their space and fight. Don't hide in empire picking off easy targets just cause CCP lets you.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.02.26 21:58:00 - [2] Uh, If an alliance falls to a corp, then hats off to the corp, and the alliance deserved it for allowing it to happen. No problems from me... -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.02.26 21:59:00 - [3] your name is so very very tempting I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:01:00 - [4] your missing the point, if they want to start the war they should pay for fighting an alliance and not a corp. You are punish the alliance by letting corps start the war at little cost.
Kahn Moquil	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:11:00 - [5] small corp vs big alliance should always be a walk over for the big alliance, if they're the least bit organized. Sorry hear you got ganked in empire even though you're a member of a big alliance and you thought that safety came in numbers.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:13:00 - [6] no, not with a hole alliance. but they should be allowed too declare war against a corp that is in a alliance if they wont too.
Torvus Jay	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Torvus Jay on 26/02/2005 22:36:25 uh they do pay to fight the alliance its far more than a single corp. And every other war you have doubles the war cost for the alliance. ______________ Aim careful, and look the devil in the eye.
LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:46:00 - [8] hehe I am not in a big alliance, I am just saying what I have seen form my time in the game. I personally don't see why 1 single corp should be allowed to run around empire ganking people I mean I have heard of 6 to 10 man corps declaring war on entire alliance. You can't tell me they aren't just looking for an easy gank in empire.. that is the other point I am making.
Steel Rage	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Kahn Moquil small corp vs big alliance should always be a walk over for the big alliance, if they're the least bit organized. Sorry hear you got ganked in empire even though you're a member of a big alliance and you thought that safety came in numbers. Except it is NOT they gank people and then log off. So you realy don't know what youÆre talking about. If a corp is outmatched by an alliance even with numbers the just log and the alliance military commander is just sitting there with 100 people saying where is the action. Rinse and repeat it works every time you want to gank an alliance you can start a war you do not have much to loose. Yes there are allot of sore losers out there that are jealous of alliance success.
Damajink	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:51:00 - [10] Originally by: LockMe hehe I am not in a big alliance, I am just saying what I have seen form my time in the game. I personally don't see why 1 single corp should be allowed to run around empire ganking people I mean I have heard of 6 to 10 man corps declaring war on entire alliance. You can't tell me they aren't just looking for an easy gank in empire.. that is the other point I am making. This WAS a problem before they changed the war costs to reflect the amount of corps in the alliance being declared upon. If a 6-10 man corp wants to spend 50m a week running a war with an alliance then that's their perogative. Also, which alliances have fallen to single corps via an Empire war alone?
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.02.26 22:54:00 - [11] Edited by: Graelyn on 26/02/2005 23:00:24 This is insulting. My small roleplay corp takes on the entire Ushra'Khan Alliance. We have to pay 28mil a week for the priveledge of being outnumbered and outgunned. This requires ALL of our corp resources to pay, plus extra from my personal wallet. Quote: it isn't Fair to allow a corp to war with an alliance. Not fair? I can see why you would post with an alt. Your Alliance would be laughed out of tranquility. I rarely if ever take the side of pirate types, but in this case, anything they can say about your courage and obvious lack thereof would be dead on. Take your beating like a man. We've have. It hurts. But we won't go crying about it. Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.27 02:37:00 - [12] Edited by: LockMe on 27/02/2005 02:45:27 Look I am not an alt. I am friends in real life with a couple guys in different alliances, and all that is happening is small corps are declaring war on these major alliances just to gank in empire, and then log off or sit in a station. I was under the impression that forming an alliance and registering it on eve was supposed to help the allaince not paint a bullseye on it for small corps to attack, why should alliances pay isk to be registered if all they want get out of it is spent isk and stupid pirates in empire. I say if you want to fight that alliance take your loggin off, hiding in station but to 0.0 and fight them. Why sit in empire and gank the industrial people. Does it prove you are a good PvPer or that you can gank haulers and miners. Yeah please have at them, and make yourself feel great about the fact you can gank hauler and miners. If you truely wanted the fight you would take it to 0.0 and fight the PvPers, So if you are trying to show that you can take on the alliance cowboy up and head to fight actual fighters, not hide in empire....... And FA and CA got pounded by small corps declaring war on them in empire and ganking hauler and miners, and yes the straw that broke their backs was the empire wars and not the 0.0 wars they had.
Miner's Bane	Posted - 2005.02.27 02:40:00 - [13] Hahahahahaha. I have nothing constructive to add. This thread just amuses me. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.02.27 03:17:00 - [14] thats insulting professional merc corps are paid to wage war on the alliances, and to insult us by saying we log off or whatever or only gank industials is highly ignorant ofc those that get killed in empire will be carebears but its up to the alliance to protect their members Frick and respective allies wage war on the alliances and do it bloody well thank you very much
LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.27 03:31:00 - [15] Edited by: LockMe on 27/02/2005 03:35:25 Edited by: LockMe on 27/02/2005 03:32:44 Not saying you don't do it well, but anyone can gank in empire. Take your fight to 0.0 and fight if that is what you say you are good at. That is what I say. Just my opinion. And you said it yourself, you kill carebear industrials in empire... So you are bloody good at killing carebears.... And yes I am a miner, and mission runner not a PvPer. Not gonna hide it, or lie I am. That is why I live in empire.
Rivek	Posted - 2005.02.27 03:42:00 - [16] If ya cant take the heat.... stay out of the gd kitchen. ---------------------------------------------- BS Weapon Comparison TunDraGon.com
Corpsicle	Posted - 2005.02.27 05:43:00 - [17] heh this is funny. Some small merc corps decide to put the hurt on allainces in empire and its "not fair". What about all the small corps that allaince blast into little pieces just for wanting to venture out into 0.0 for some npc's or exploring. The allainces should BURN they dont add anything positive to eve. --------------------------------------------- Hand over the coffee and no one gets hurt
NumBerGuy	Posted - 2005.02.27 06:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Corpsicle heh this is funny. Some small merc corps decide to put the hurt on allainces in empire and its "not fair". What about all the small corps that allaince blast into little pieces just for wanting to venture out into 0.0 for some npc's or exploring. The allainces should BURN they dont add anything positive to eve. agree 100%
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.02.27 10:11:00 - [19] Well, I have to wonder why a 0.0 Alliance has it's barges and etc. out in Empire anyhow. I can understand needing to transport goods. However, trade routes between Empires are supposed to be dangerous, hence thier status as trade routes. As a Soverign Entity, mining in Empire should be seen as an expeditionary undertaking, not safe ground. Empire space is for the Empires, and a Sovereign Alliance is not one of them, and should not expect too much in the way of protection unless you plan to pay a large part of CONCORD's budget, such as the Empires do. Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Steel Rage	Posted - 2005.02.27 11:27:00 - [20] Originally by: LockMe Edited by: LockMe on 27/02/2005 02:45:27 Look I am not an alt. I am friends in real life with a couple guys in different alliances, and all that is happening is small corps are declaring war on these major alliances just to gank in empire, and then log off or sit in a station. I was under the impression that forming an alliance and registering it on eve was supposed to help the allaince not paint a bullseye on it for small corps to attack, why should alliances pay isk to be registered if all they want get out of it is spent isk and stupid pirates in empire. I say if you want to fight that alliance take your loggin off, hiding in station but to 0.0 and fight them. Why sit in empire and gank the industrial people. Does it prove you are a good PvPer or that you can gank haulers and miners. Yeah please have at them, and make yourself feel great about the fact you can gank hauler and miners. If you truely wanted the fight you would take it to 0.0 and fight the PvPers, So if you are trying to show that you can take on the alliance cowboy up and head to fight actual fighters, not hide in empire....... And FA and CA got pounded by small corps declaring war on them in empire and ganking hauler and miners, and yes the straw that broke their backs was the empire wars and not the 0.0 wars they had. I think this was deliberate by CCP. You will notice pure PvP alliances (BoB) have a standings base system in place. Allot of people get smacked around just because a few guys want to say "We are a big alliance". How many corps can you take on in a war? Three. How many corps can you take on in alliance wars? 250!!! <--- Exploit!!! If I was ebil I would take my pirate corp pile every l33t pvper in it and go to war with 2/3 of the player base and just waste every n00b I found. I bet CCP would take notice then. People in alliances work hard for what they get and some people that are jealous do not like the success. If you have an alt for me I can reccomend an alliance that is right for you. Don't hate alliances because of their success join the fun.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.02.27 11:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Steel Rage I think this was deliberate by CCP. You will notice pure PvP alliances (BoB) have a standings base system in place. Allot of people get smacked around just because a few guys want to say "We are a big alliance". How many corps can you take on in a war? Three. How many corps can you take on in alliance wars? 250!!! <--- Exploit!!! If I was ebil I would take my pirate corp pile every l33t pvper in it and go to war with 2/3 of the player base and just waste every n00b I found. I bet CCP would take notice then. People in alliances work hard for what they get and some people that are jealous do not like the success. If you have an alt for me I can reccomend an alliance that is right for you. Don't hate alliances because of their success join the fun. Allainces should have minimal players in empire. Fact is they don't until they have an empire war declared. Most alliances have the numbers to be able to outnumber any bunch of small corps fighting them. Problem is that for quite a few alliances very few of them are willing to actually fight for their privileges. Having a corp killing only noobs all day is fun, but only for so long. We are fighting alliances not just to give the noobs a lesson that there is more to claiming a region then pure greed. We're actually looking for a good fight.
LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.27 18:00:00 - [22] If you are looking for a good fight, then why declare it in empire, when you know you can get that good fight against an alliance, in their space??? And I agree with it being an exploit. CCP put that cap on the number of wars you can have with corps, yet a corp can declair against an alliance which exceeds the number of corps you can declair on. If they do this they may as well let us declair war on the NPC corps as well, would be the same idea. But that is just my humble opinion.
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.02.27 18:48:00 - [23] Edited by: Velsharoon on 27/02/2005 18:48:55 Corps never take the fight to 0.0 o no.... we pay our fees, if they were higher we would still pay them if your in an alliance then get back to your claimed space, nuff said
Captain Woodward	Posted - 2005.02.27 18:56:00 - [24] Man tbh,Not being able to declare war against a alliance is ridicoulous! If you want to kill those bastards in that alliance that stole your ore, you gotta be able to declare war against them! And about going to their space,That will only get you blobbed up to hell.. But ive seen lots of ppl that would like it that way.Cough Carebears Cough
Iaukea Asarnil	Posted - 2005.02.27 19:24:00 - [25] Personally, the fact that so many pvp corps declare war on alliances with no intention of going to 0.0 and duking it out, just ganking easy kills in Empire and logging when they're in a fair fight or outnumbered (Celest, I'm looking at you), irritates the hell out of me. On the other hand, being part of an alliance carries risks as well as rewards and this is one of them. _____________________________________________ The most pessimistic sod in Eve, and proud of it The end of the universe....coming SOON[tm] Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Antic	Posted - 2005.02.27 20:13:00 - [26] Edited by: Antic on 27/02/2005 20:17:15 want the most targets possible in eve? Make a PVP corp declare war on 3 alliances. Then you got access to a huge amount of targets in empire. Never have to enter 0.0. You can gank targets that are not equiped for PVP fighing and avoid targets who are. See them comming after you? Log. War costs? No problem. Call yourself mercenaries and have others pay for you to grief people in empire without risk. Or create the corp with alts and pay for it from your main/corp/alliance funds with the aim to do no risk damage to oposing allinaces. I see his point.
LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.27 20:38:00 - [27] So can anyone explain to me why it is not an exploit for a corp to declare war on an alliance? I mean an a corp can only have 3 wars with individual corps at a time, yet when you declare war on an alliance with more than 3 corps they can still have other wars besides that one. That math just doesn't add up to me. Hope CCP looks at that and takes it into consideration. And for the alliances, if you want to play this game with them just do the cheap thing, and unregister your alliace. They will only be able to declare war on 3 of your corps at most, and you can still have your alliance, just not registered on eve. Much like the BoB alliance has done. Just a thought.
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.02.27 21:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Antic Edited by: Antic on 27/02/2005 20:17:15 want the most targets possible in eve? Make a PVP corp declare war on 3 alliances. Then you got access to a huge amount of targets in empire. Never have to enter 0.0. You can gank targets that are not equiped for PVP fighing and avoid targets who are. See them comming after you? Log. War costs? No problem. Call yourself mercenaries and have others pay for you to grief people in empire without risk. Or create the corp with alts and pay for it from your main/corp/alliance funds with the aim to do no risk damage to oposing allinaces. I see his point. griefers? the game is this way to cater for the pvpers we are not griefers, and call yourself mercenaries? we are proud of our profession and only a few corps pull it off effectivly might as well call pirates griefers this is the way its meant to be and its not an exploit as you band together for mutual protection, if your 2000+ alliance cant defend itself then cry me a river
LockMe	Posted - 2005.02.28 07:37:00 - [29] No one answered as to why it should be alright to attack a 10+ corp alliance when CCP has made it so you can't have more than 3 wars with individual corps. Or is hearing the truth too much for you all to hear. IT IS AN EXPLOIT, and I hope CCP fixes it. The only people that should be allowed to attack an alliance is an alliance. You call yourselves Merchs, but you are really nothing more than pirates looking for easy kills. Not all merch corps are like that, some actually take the fight to them, but most don't, and that is why it is an exploit. I don't understand why it is so hard to see that all this is doing is allowing people to get around the basic guidelines of only fighting 3 wars. I realize that the pirates love this, and want it to stay the same, but I done trying to get this point acrossed to the narrow minded. Who keep forgeting that alot of aliances join together to help build at lower rates, and help out new players get into the game not just PvP, and you lot are taking advantage of a grouping a corps so you can easy ganks in empire. Gotta love when CCP misses a loophole, and people take advantage of it.
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2005.02.28 07:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Graelyn Edited by: Graelyn on 26/02/2005 23:00:24 This is insulting. My small roleplay corp takes on the entire Ushra'Khan Alliance. We have to pay 28mil a week for the priveledge of being outnumbered and outgunned. This requires ALL of our corp resources to pay, plus extra from my personal wallet. Quote: it isn't Fair to allow a corp to war with an alliance. Not fair? I can see why you would post with an alt. Your Alliance would be laughed out of tranquility. I rarely if ever take the side of pirate types, but in this case, anything they can say about your courage and obvious lack thereof would be dead on. Take your beating like a man. We've have. It hurts. But we won't go crying about it. To the alt: reread this man's post (twice if you have to). This is what the game is all about - balls and honor. Graelyn has both, you have neither. If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?

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