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Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:35:00 - [31] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Originally by: Soma Khan look at the words you and your coworkers are using: "hysteria", "hateful trolls", "childish ego trips", etc. happy people don't use those words. you're in denial you mean happy people don't have a decent command of the english language? Sorry if that makes you feel inferior mate. I'm plenty happy, and the only one in denial is you. Try countering an argument next time, instead of trying to dismiss the person bringing the argument you can't counter. Believe me, it works much better and makes you look less like an angry troll. there's no need to get defensive. admit you have a problem. take the first step __
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:42:00 - [32] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:42:29 Originally by: Soma Khan there's no need to get defensive. admit you have a problem. take the first step You're getting desperate there mate. You might want to just admit you're wrong, would make you look a little better, and probably happier on the long run. Or you can continue to rage, in which case I pity your liver. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:47:00 - [33] Edited by: Alex Sinai on 08/08/2011 18:48:06 Abriael VonRosen, State War Academy from 29.12.2008 22:22 to this day. For 2 years 7 months and 9 days. No record changes. NPC corp. What an active player. CCP you must be joking us. It's already funny and outstandingly laughable. What you try to prove with these trolling characters? Silence the voices which try to point you into direction that will save your game instead of destroying it? We will go away don't worry. As well as everybody else will if you continue the path you choose with EVE Online. And then there will be no EVE Online. Simetraz your silly attempts at psychologic analysis (or troll to name things their own names) was so funny and so largely missed the target. Thanks for making me laugh. Did your analysis projected from your personality? How silly. And funny. :-) Oh and when an employee of a company suggest to paying customer to go to other game that employee either gets fired while company make loud apologies to customer and if not then it means that this is a policy of that company. Again we return to door and its meaning... well done CCP! As for who am i work for. I work for company not related to MMOs in any way shape or form. Also i write articles which sometimes called reviews and sometimes previews for not-to-be-disclosed site or two. So you see, i'm not from competition as your question suggests and i actually play EVE Online because i like it.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:53:00 - [34] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:54:20 Originally by: Alex Sinai Abriael VonRosen, State War Academy from 29.12.2008 22:22 to this day. For 2 years 7 months and 9 days. No record changes. NPC corp. What an active player. Can't find a decent argument there, can you? You know, joining corporations isn't exactly mandatory in EVE. When I'll find one that suits me perfectly, I'll join it. So far it didn't happen and I doubt being a soloer is against the TOS. Bet that despite that I'm online more than you :D Quote: As for who am i work for. I work for company not related to MMOs in any way shape or form. Also i write articles which sometimes called reviews and sometimes previews for not-to-be-disclosed site or two. I sure hope you don't write in English, because your posts make my eyes bleed. And why don't you want to disclose who you write for? Do you have anything to hide? Funny that you'd accuse others of hiding something. I see some very poorly hidden hypocrisy here. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Alex Sinai Also i write articles For money?
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Marwood Ford Originally by: Alex Sinai Also i write articles For money? If you can call a sneak peak on not yet released games money. That's for previews. Reviews i get other type of reward. Satisfaction. Sometimes i get paid for checking the game and writing review. Never accepted payments from developers or publishers who's products i review. That would be conflict of interests.
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:14:00 - [37] Edited by: Marwood Ford on 08/08/2011 19:14:11 I'm sorry Alex, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you take kickbacks. That would be insulting.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Can't find a decent argument there, can you? You know, joining corporations isn't exactly mandatory in EVE. When I'll find one that suits me perfectly, I'll join it. So far it didn't happen and I doubt being a soloer is against the TOS. Bet that despite that I'm online more than you :D Laughable lousy argument not worthy of any reply at all. Thanks for showing your intellect. I'm astonished by it's cloak capability. Originally by: Abriael VonRosen I sure hope you don't write in English, because your posts make my eyes bleed. And why don't you want to disclose who you write for? Do you have anything to hide? Funny that you'd accuse others of hiding something. I see some very poorly hidden hypocrisy here. Please, let your eyes bleed. I understand your interest in what language i write previews/reviews. More then one. I also understand your interest in knowledge of whom am i write for. Don't worry i will satisfy your interest if and when i write article about EVE Online/Dust 514. I will send you the link to it. Might be more then one link. But you see, there's also conflict of interests. I like to play EVE online so my article about it might not be as neutral as i would like it to be. Due to this i will probably have to wait until my stance toward EVE Online become completely neutral. With all the support you provide it might happen soon enough. But may be it's worth to wait until Gamecon or later. No rush at all.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Marwood Ford Edited by: Marwood Ford on 08/08/2011 19:14:11 I'm sorry Alex, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you take kickbacks. That would be insulting. I'm sorry Marwood that i misunderstood you. Truly sorry. Please accept my sincere apologies.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Bane Necran Edited by: Bane Necran on 08/08/2011 18:30:01 Large groups are always just a moment away from mass hysteria. Having a rational reason for doing so goes against what hysteria actually is, so don't waste your time looking for one. Why not, everything on the forums is doom a gloom. So why not see if it is all really that bad. And although CCP seemed to have another wild hair moment. I see a lot of little things but not fix this and all will be better pill. Did you look @ the list from CSM OMG !!!!! How do you fix that, nobody can make up there mind what they want.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:37:00 - [41] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 19:37:56 Originally by: Alex Sinai Laughable lousy argument not worthy of any reply at all. Thanks for showing your intellect. I'm astonished by it's cloak capability. Sorry, but the quality of an argument is not for you to decide mate. But looks like you're not able to to reply to it, so we can move on. Quote: Please, let your eyes bleed. I understand your interest in what language i write previews/reviews. More then one. I also understand your interest in knowledge of whom am i write for. Don't worry i will satisfy your interest if and when i write article about EVE Online/Dust 514. I will send you the link to it. Might be more then one link. But you see, there's also conflict of interests. I like to play EVE online so my article about it might not be as neutral as i would like it to be. Due to this i will probably have to wait until my stance toward EVE Online become completely neutral. With all the support you provide it might happen soon enough. But may be it's worth to wait until Gamecon or later. No rush at all. Actually, i'm not interested at all about you or your articles, given how you write, doubt they'd be an enjoyable read anyway. What is easy to notice is that you go around accusing other to hide something, while you're the first one that hides something. Oh, by the way, liking something isn't and shouldn't be the reason not to review it. A journalist has the ability to split between his opinion and fact, and to clearly convey which is which. If you aren't able to do that, maybe the job simply isn't for you. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:42:00 - [42] Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 08/08/2011 13:46:59 Originally by: Simetraz With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? So because CCP doesn't make entirely game altering changes every six months, is causing it to die? Because I mean it isn't like other MMO's didn't wait a year to a year and a half to release their expansions. "SWG, EQ, WOW, Guild wars, Diablo 2." And the list goes on... For those upset with them developing new games after EIGHT years of making EVE. Get a clue! They know they need to expand to survive. If you want an EVE to play at all you should encourage them to grow as a company. Perhaps get more artists so we can get "finished" products sooner. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:04:00 - [43] Originally by: Simetraz Originally by: Bane Necran Edited by: Bane Necran on 08/08/2011 18:30:01 Large groups are always just a moment away from mass hysteria. Having a rational reason for doing so goes against what hysteria actually is, so don't waste your time looking for one. Why not, everything on the forums is doom a gloom. So why not see if it is all really that bad. And although CCP seemed to have another wild hair moment. I see a lot of little things but not fix this and all will be better pill. Did you look @ the list from CSM OMG !!!!! How do you fix that, nobody can make up there mind what they want. Well, if not all was that bad people would not leave in large numbers. I understand Simetraz (btw a very lovely name) that it is extremely hard for MMO development company to satisfy the majority. It's not even thinkable to satisfy everyone. Problem is that majority outraged. Meaning something was done so wrong or may be not wrong but blatantly harsh and without regard that sparked that chain of events we all witnessed. As far as i see there are countless posts against NoX MT shop. There also more then enough posts against CQ. However i did notice a pattern in my already two week investigation into that scandal (I had no idea what's going on, been away). Nearly every topic point the reason of anger at CQ or NoX because CCP found time to create these instead of fixing backlog of bugs and making some content for space flight. May be release of both CQ and NoX was an error. It happens with every company since companies consist of humans and we are not perfect. CCP chose to handle that scandal in worst scenario possible. May be there were shock and uncertainty of how to proceed since it's obvious CCP did not expect the response it received. Very well possible that where we are now is terrible coincidence of human error and unfortunate events altogether. But we have arrived to that. And somehow it needs to be repaired. Denial or anger won't help. Sometimes admittance of an error or clear explanation of the situation (why it was done as it is for example) help repair things much better then anything else. These CSM lists impossible to complete in a year. But starting to do at least something more then symbolically would be great help in putting the fires down. Besides that backlog did not arrive there by itself. Its a backlog of things that had to be done a long time ago but for this or that reason was not. Many people emotional reply comes not of hate but of frustration and anger. We all love this game and we all want it to succeed and even help CCP with Dust 514 interaction. But we also must know what is it there in the future. So far players have minimal information as of what how EVE Online viewed by its creators in future. There are no clear promise of no P2W in EVE Online. If there will be some kind of new or different P2W then why not to come out and just let all players know how developers view it and why they see it necessary for the game. If there won't be any P2W why not to say so. List goes on and on of questions without clear answers. It is unknown that frighten people the most. Even the worst enemy when seen in flesh and armor not that frightening as unknown. Uncertainty that was created with release of Incarna frightened people and CCP initial reaction frightened even more. That created anger and rage. And all that blew up.
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Digital Messiah For those upset with them developing new games after EIGHT years of making EVE. Get a clue! They know they need to expand to survive. If you want an EVE to play at all you should encourage them to grow as a company. Perhaps get more artists so we can get "finished" products sooner. Oh c'mon...thats a terrible cop-out tbh. I think everyone here would want to see CCP grow and develop, and why not? some of us have a vested interest in them via a product that they deliver called EVE Online. If they can't see the opportunity to develop EVE with all the content/ideas thats already been posted in these threads (under the framework of an internet spaceship game) then they deserve the wrath off the fee paying customer tbh. Subscribers have a right to be upset when their money is used to fund other games at the DETRIMENT of the subscribers investment.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Originally by: Alex Sinai Laughable lousy argument not worthy of any reply at all. Thanks for showing your intellect. I'm astonished by it's cloak capability. Sorry, but the quality of an argument is not for you to decide mate. But looks like you're not able to to reply to it, so we can move on. Quote: Please, let your eyes bleed. I understand your interest in what language i write previews/reviews. More then one. I also understand your interest in knowledge of whom am i write for. Don't worry i will satisfy your interest if and when i write article about EVE Online/Dust 514. I will send you the link to it. Might be more then one link. But you see, there's also conflict of interests. I like to play EVE online so my article about it might not be as neutral as i would like it to be. Due to this i will probably have to wait until my stance toward EVE Online become completely neutral. With all the support you provide it might happen soon enough. But may be it's worth to wait until Gamecon or later. No rush at all. Actually, i'm not interested at all about you or your articles, given how you write, doubt they'd be an enjoyable read anyway. What is easy to notice is that you go around accusing others to hide something, while you're the first one that does exactly that. Oh, by the way, liking something isn't and shouldn't be the reason not to review it. A good journalist has the ability to split between his opinion and fact, and to clearly convey which is which. If you aren't able to do that, maybe the job simply isn't for you. besides, MMORPGs are complex games, journalists that don't play them actively for a decent amount of time, tend to do a very poor job at reviewing them. Your amount of advice to me suggest your deep interest which contradicts with your choice of words. Lets take your implification of hiding something. You hide the fact of being an employee of CCP? May be yes may be no. But you certainly not announce it on every corner and in post of yours. I just pointed out that you are CCP employee (may be outsource if they do that). It's obvious beyond reasonable doubt just by looking at your character history in EVE Online. Of course your attempts of insulting people to silence them does not speak highly of CCP either. You just smear the reputation of the company you work for. Which also not speak highly of you. You should know that any journalist or writer have a bulletproof skin and insults not work for these professions. Otherwise people look for other fields to apply their knowledge. Your attacks on my English language proficiency makes me smile. I don't have to write forum post in perfectly correct English. I pass a message with more simplified choice of words and disregard to some of the rules. The main is the message not perfect grammar of it. I suppose you know that too. Your suggestion for me to choose different professional field or how to write articles... thank you for your advice but i will decide myself what and how i do it. You also imply that i hid the fact that i write previews/reviews of games. Why would i shout out about it? I was not asked until now what i do. You asked, i replied. I am a player of the game. What difference would that make. Right now Abriael there is nothing to write about EVE Online. To write about Incarna? Nothing much to write apart from CQ. To write about the scandal? That would be unfair to developers. To write about how EVE Online be in future? That is so clouded right now that i will be guessing mostly. To write about what? There are no article to write for now. May be later as events develop. But for now i don't see anything to write about and not guess and damage already damaged CCP. My readers expect reliable information, not guessing.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Alex Sinai You hide the fact of being an employee of CCP? May be yes may be no. But you certainly not announce it on every corner and in post of yours. I just pointed out that you are CCP employee (may be outsource if they do that). It's obvious beyond reasonable doubt just by looking at your character history in EVE Online. You seem to assume that every soloer in the game is a CCP employee "beyond reaonable doubt", which of course is as laughable as saying that the sun is green. Quote: Of course your attempts of insulting people to silence them does not speak highly of CCP either. You just smear the reputation of the company you work for. Which also not speak highly of you. ah the hypocrisy. You go around accusing people to be CCP employees in order to try (and utterly fail) to silence them, then you accuse them of insulting you to silence you? Ironic, but also very hypocritical. Quote: You should know that any journalist or writer have a bulletproof skin and insults not work for these professions. Otherwise people look for other fields to apply their knowledge. Sure, I know very well, since I am one. On the other hand, from the way you handle differences of opinion a la "you think differently than I do, so you must be a CCP alt", you don't seem one at all. Quote: Your attacks on my English language proficiency makes me smile. I don't have to write forum post in perfectly correct English. I pass a message with more simplified choice of words and disregard to some of the rules. The main is the message not perfect grammar of it. I suppose you know that too. if you want your posts to be unpleasant to read and to give an impression of ignorance, more power to you. Quote: Your suggestion for me to choose different professional field or how to write articles... thank you for your advice but i will decide myself what and how i do it. before writing articles, you may want to be learn to handle difference of opinion a little better than this. Quote: You also imply that i hid the fact that i write previews/reviews of games. Why would i shout out about it? I was not asked until now what i do. You asked, i replied. I am a player of the game. What difference would that make. You're the one that's accusing others of hiding something, yet you seem not to be very keen on disclosing who you write for. Quote: Right now Abriael there is nothing to write about EVE Online. To write about Incarna? Nothing much to write apart from CQ. To write about the scandal? That would be unfair to developers. To write about how EVE Online be in future? That is so clouded right now that i will be guessing mostly. To write about what? There are no article to write for now. May be later as events develop. But for now i don't see anything to write about and not guess and damage already damaged CCP. My readers expect reliable information, not guessing. Actually, considering that MMORPGs evolve as fast as they do, there's a lot to write about EVE Online and 99% of the MMORPGs out there, since almost all the reviews written years ago are completely obsolete by now. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Adonis Peverell	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:19:00 - [47] Edited by: Adonis Peverell on 08/08/2011 21:19:46 @Alex Sinai, First, as a journalist, you should know that making baseless accusations against someone is not appropriate. I'm glad you're only covering video games where it doesn't particularly matter. But still, isn't there something to be said for journalistic integrity? Second, don't you think if CCP were creating hidden alts to post on the forums, they might have the foresight to have them join a corp? Maybe even a one man corp? I can tell you from experience that not everyone wants to be involved in a player corp. I've never joined one, and I was part of an NPC one for a long time before I started my own one-man corp.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen You're the one that's accusing others of hiding something, yet you seem not to be very keen on disclosing who you write for. I do understand how important it is for you to know whom am I write for. If you are a jounalist yourself as you stated above you also understand that I will not disclose my publishers before review goes online. If I ever write a review about EVE Online I will make sure CCP receive a link to it. However I never intended to write a review about EVE Online. I play the game because I like it not because I write reviews. Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Actually, considering that MMORPGs evolve as fast as they do, there's a lot to write about EVE Online and 99% of the MMORPGs out there, since almost all the reviews written years ago are completely obsolete by now. It sounds like a job offer. Unfortunately EVE Online does not have any potential for outstandingly positive front page review due to recent events and uncertainty surrounding its future in eyes of many of its players. I understand that CCP would like a positive review without regard to recent events. It would be possible to write a review only concerning gameplay if the game would be single player franchaise since company decisions about patches and addons in general does not have heavy impact on actual gameplay unless it is a game from certain famous publisher which tend to release unfinished games and patch on the go (Not related to CCP). MMORPGs is completely different story. I cannot write an article about EVE Online without report on recent events. I think we both agree that such an article will be unfair to developers and players. Let it settle down. Lets see how things develop. I state again I play the game because I like it. Not because I write reviews and it never was my intention to write a review about EVE Online.
Trainwreck McGee	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:33:00 - [49] Abriael is not in a corp b/c he is a t w a t not b/c he is a ccp alt.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Alex Sinai I do understand how important it is for you to know whom am I write for. You overstimate yourself way too much. I can't care the less about who you are or write for (if it's even true, because the way you write indicates the opposite), I just find it interesting that you accuse others of having hidden secrets while you're the first one to do so. Quote: It sounds like a job offer. Unfortunately EVE Online does not have any potential for outstandingly positive front page review due to recent events and uncertainty surrounding its future in eyes of many of its players. Which is your opinion, inconsequential, but still your opinion. Don't worry though, there are way better journos out there that write plenty reviews of older MMORPGs because they know they hold a good value for readers. And that doesn't only concern EVE online, there are plenty. The only job offer I could give you would be putting you in contact with my editors to let you finally write on a decent outlet, but from how you write here you don't seem to have what it takes. Sorry :D -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Adonis Peverell Edited by: Adonis Peverell on 08/08/2011 21:19:46 @Alex Sinai, First, as a journalist, you should know that making baseless accusations against someone is not appropriate. I'm glad you're only covering video games where it doesn't particularly matter. But still, isn't there something to be said for journalistic integrity? We can argue about baseless until end of times. It really depends on point of view common sense and facts at hand since we will never receive any solid proof. Besides, isn't CCP employees encouraged to create characters in EVE Online? You can read about it in dev blogs. Originally by: Adonis Peverell Second, don't you think if CCP were creating hidden alts to post on the forums, they might have the foresight to have them join a corp? Maybe even a one man corp? I can tell you from experience that not everyone wants to be involved in a player corp. I've never joined one, and I was part of an NPC one for a long time before I started my own one-man corp. Don't you think some of them create characters not to play but to be able to post on forums? I'm sure you did not spent 2 years or more in NPC corp before creating your own. Besides who could forsee such unfortunate chain of events? None of that supposed to happen but it did. Employees defend their company. That is perfectly understandable. It would be also good if they play the game they talk about. With such record as most of them have it is obvious they did not play the game they help to create. It's a question of common sense.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:43:00 - [52] Originally by: Alex Sinai Employees defend their company. Your "common sense" seems to dictate that since "employees defend their company" everyone that talks in favor of a game is an employee. Quite an unrealistic equation there, one that someone that's an actual gaming journo (and not just a random blogger or forum braggart like you seem to be, for instance) would not do. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:46:00 - [53] Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? At any rate if you are done I want to go back and find out how many of the masses that quit were actually part of the NC. Kind of curious if 0.0 politics took a role here like a really think they did.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:46:00 - [54] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 21:40:05 Originally by: Alex Sinai I do understand how important it is for you to know whom am I write for. You overstimate yourself way too much. I can't care the less about who you are or write for (if it's even true, because the way you write indicates the opposite), I just find it interesting that you accuse others of having hidden secrets while you're the first one to do so. Quote: It sounds like a job offer. Unfortunately EVE Online does not have any potential for outstandingly positive front page review due to recent events and uncertainty surrounding its future in eyes of many of its players. Which is your opinion, inconsequential, but still your opinion. Don't worry though, there are way better journos out there that write plenty reviews of older MMORPGs because they know they hold a good value for readers. And that doesn't only concern EVE online, there are plenty. The only job offer I could give you would be putting you in contact with my editors to let you finally write on a decent outlet, but from how you write here you don't seem to have what it takes. Sorry :D As for the rest, Adonis told you everything that you needed to hear. We had decent conversation. Very informative for each other and so civilized. Thank you for your offer but I prefer my own choice of publishers for whom I prefer to write articles. Do you mind if I quote you in case I decide to write something?
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Alex Sinai We had decent conversation. Very informative for each other and so civilized. Thank you for your offer but I prefer my own choice of publishers for whom I prefer to write articles. Do you mind if I quote you in case I decide to write something? You're right, so civilized :D You can quote me, if you're wlling to pay royalties -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:51:00 - [56] Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? At any rate if you are done I want to go back and find out how many of the masses that quit were actually part of the NC. Kind of curious if 0.0 politics took a role here like a really think they did.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Simetraz Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? Eh, sorry, I don't swing that way :D -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 22:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Simetraz Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? At any rate if you are done I want to go back and find out how many of the masses that quit were actually part of the NC. Kind of curious if 0.0 politics took a role here like a really think they did. Not as far as I know... not my taste and sex of choice. :-) I don't have any idea if 0.0 politics took a role in any of it. But might be interested in exploring how that would be possible?
Kadarin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.08 22:43:00 - [59] What, CCP astroturfing their own forums? I don't believe that for a moment...

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