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Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:27:00 - [1] With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. The solution for that is simply to leave your SHIPS window open (ALT-N). If you leave it up when you undock it will be there when you dock again. Granted in a game where lag foremost on the mind of players, putting in a system mechanic that slows people down while docking probably wasn't the best idea. And the fact that there was no option avoid CQ originally was not to bright either. However quitting over it is a whole different story. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria.
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:39:00 - [2] ccp marketing alt detected. gtfo __
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 08/08/2011 13:40:43 A lot of old frustration boiled up, that is the short story of it. Personally I checked the CQ with two PC, first one at work a Core 2 Quad with a 8800GTS 3 Gigs of RAM and Windows XP, but this can be hardly called modern hardware and the CQ takes 30seconds to load. On the other hand my personal PC is a Core I7, GTX480 and 8 Gigs f RAM and the CQ opens in about 5 seconds, I can hardly say that it slowed my computer, not even with 2 clients open. Edit: Oh and some people, I cannot think a nice word for them, who call everyone who disagrees a CCP alt. They are really a plague and would do everyone including themselves a favor if they just quit a game they dislike from a company they hate. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:45:00 - [4] Edited by: stoicfaux on 08/08/2011 13:46:59 Originally by: Simetraz With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:04:00 - [5] Originally by: stoicfaux You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? I suppose that would effect some people but will be the first to admit it , I have hardly gone down and used all the features in this game. I haven't touched T3 ships. Wormholes haven't really spent any real time in them. Incursions, still on the list of things to do. So although expansions are nice, I believe games should be good enough to stand on there own without them. Most of them are not and do need to pump something out every year in a box for the extra cash flow to keep them going. So although a expansion could keep someone in the game for awhile longer they where still going to leave.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:16:00 - [6] You're like 2 months late commenting on the "I quit" threads. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
RAW23	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Simetraz So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. I'm not sure I recall anyone claiming that anything that has actually been introduced broke the game. What got broke was a lot of players' relationships with CCP because of their attitude to communication and their failure to rule out certain game-breaking (for many players) features that seem to have been under internal consideration (although their statement that they currently have no plans to introduce said features seems to have satisfied quite a few of those who were initially angry).
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:21:00 - [8] The UI seems a bit sluggish. The dscan button tends to freeze up. This happened to me its annoying I have to keep redocking to fix it. Also: It seems pods do not propperly warp away anymore. There seems to be something wrong with the agility of pods and ships. I did not lose a pod but I have noticed the warp out button seems sluggish and think I just got lucky. This has prevented me from doing as much pvp as I would like. Also: Some people claim they are not getting bonuses applied to their ships. I haven't checked into this. So I can't say for sure. Plus over the past few expansions the game taken a few steps backward. Insurance nerf means no more battleships. Plus a decrease in pvp as a whole (as noted in QEN) You can't automatically fit your rigs through the fitting menu so I will occasionally put the wrong rig on. Decrease functionality. The only good thing that has happened since apoc 1.5 is a boost to faction frigs and a rockets fix. And of course there are major parts of the game that remain abandoned with no timeframe of when ccp might start work on them. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Thornat	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Simetraz With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. The solution for that is simply to leave your SHIPS window open (ALT-N). If you leave it up when you undock it will be there when you dock again. Granted in a game where lag foremost on the mind of players, putting in a system mechanic that slows people down while docking probably wasn't the best idea. And the fact that there was no option avoid CQ originally was not to bright either. However quitting over it is a whole different story. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. Months of development time, money spent and the conclusion is that everything created is best left ignored. I'm not sure thats the response CCP was looking for. Your right of course, I believe the impact of the recent release is fairly minimal. A bit of station lag aside for the most part gameplay remains unaffected. If an expansion doesn't improve gameplay whats the point of making it in the first place?
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:33:00 - [10] Originally by: stoicfaux You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? What happens to MMO's that add the wrong content? Star Wars Galaxies - Reception and Criticism section... Originally by: John Smedly We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players. So yeah, MMO's can screw up in either direction... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:38:00 - [11] As someone pointed out I am 2 months behind in this thread but interestingly enough something else major happened just before and during the expansion. 0.0 got a major role over. I personally know people they simply stated they were not going back to high-sec and would rather quit then do that. It makes me wonder, considering how NC was famous for multiboxing and botters. Two different items that where hit hard by the expansion. How many people that jumped on the band wagon where ready to quit over losing there space and the expansion just made their decision a little easier ? It is possible this might be the first case of 0.0 politics causing the mass cancellation of accounts ? It just appears that on its own the expansion would not be enough. However if someone is already ****ed, well fuel to the fire. If true, it would make for a interesting twist.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:41:00 - [12] I had to turn off the CQ environments because the heat my computer would generate to load it was immense. I'd like to think I have a fairly butt-kicking machine, but I used to have a compy that was practically a space heater, and I refuse to go back to that. I'm not an alt
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:55:00 - [13] Edited by: Alex Sinai on 08/08/2011 15:05:43 Simetraz is marketing bot with 3 years 11 month and 2 days of experience and employment only in Star War Academy. And if you think of mass quitting as mass hysteria then CCP for sure doomed to fail and that's very sad. Dont reply to her people. She's here not to listen but to troll and push marketing. Not enough people quit darling? Want more? Who will pay salary to you when we all leave. Deviana Sevidon darling did you notice how many people left? You want to play this game alone? If there will be a game to play. Its not that a hundred or two left. Its thousands of players quit. I'd suggest you start thinking before you say anything. Lately we got lots of similar posts of CCP marketing and some devs pushing through with their P2W and Incarna is great speeches. No real facts about what's so great that we got in Incarna apart of course from great MT spending possibilites in NoX. The more of these posts i read the more i look to other games. Edit: Oh and someone employed by CCP calling that mass quitting mass hysteria was more then enough for me to understand perfectly clear now they understood nothing from that experience and will continue their way to disaster (RMT P2W with S2W). There's nothing we can do about it and they don't care what we think about it and wont change the direction this ship is heading. And if you **b marketing girl/boy think that people leave one by one you terribly deeply mistaken.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:57:00 - [14] Originally by: stoicfaux You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? Winner!!!! Wherever you went - Here you are.
Prince Kobol	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:57:00 - [15] Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Name Family Name	Posted - 2011.08.08 15:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Name Family Name on 08/08/2011 15:18:24 Originally by: Simetraz So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. So far, it didn't break the game for me - it reduced functionality and immersion whilst adding nothing of value to me. As long as I can turn CQ off, I can still play the spaceship-part, and I never cared about NeX once they declared it would be vanity only. However, the announcement to remove the ability to turn CQ off in the future made me cancel all my recurring direct debit 3 month+ subscriptions and switch to plex payment, so I can quit on short notice once they make it mandatory and CCP don't get any more money from me until I see them put some effort into the actual game. The resons are pretty simple - all recent expansions have not really been to my taste, but who cares if some people like it and I don't, right? I didn't want to do Incursions, PI or FW - fine - I don't have to do it. The amount of asshatery it takes to even think about forcing CQ on us is mind-blowing. Sure - they said they would create something resembling the old ship hangar, but if it uses the incarna engine and has similar performance, I'd still prefer the door, since I wont be able to play the game like I used to and will be cut off from my main source of income, which is trade. You see, yesterday, I was logged in all day with two clients whilst playing Shogun 2, updating market orders whilst Shogun loaded a battle. Despite a rather powerful machine, I doubt I'd be able to do that with Incarnage loaded. So did it break the game yet? No - just the little faith I had left in CCP.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.08 15:16:00 - [17] From the solo pvper, or small gang pvper perspective the problems I listed are pretty bad. I would also add that CCP has done nothing to indicate they will improve the game for us. In fact there seems to be a good chance that taking away local will just make the pvp even blobbier and decent pvp almost impossible to come by. It seems that if you don't shoot red xs or play null sec blob warefare ccp doesn't know you exist. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:10:00 - [18] Edited by: Simetraz on 08/08/2011 17:12:14 Originally by: Name Family Name Sure - they said they would create something resembling the old ship hangar, but if it uses the incarna engine and has similar performance, I'd still prefer the door, since I wont be able to play the game like I used to and will be cut off from my main source of income, which is trade. You see, yesterday, I was logged in all day with two clients whilst playing Shogun 2, updating market orders whilst Shogun loaded a battle. Despite a rather powerful machine, I doubt I'd be able to do that with Incarnage loaded. And this really is the heart of the problem. EVE-Online has traditionally been very low on the resource count for a long time. The last time there was increase in resource requirements it created a out cry as well. But then the jump was not as large as this one is. I am not sure how to put this. Would you expect to run multiple instances of Crysis 2 and another game @ the same time ? I think between the displacement of oh a good 20,000 characters in NC and the multi-boxers the numbers aren't that surprising. How can people not expect the games system requirements to go up. I can run EVE no problem on a single core that isn't even capable of running Crysis 2 more then 5 frames a second. So the requirements are not that high and are still behind the curve. People have been complaining about multi-boxing and botters for a long time. Now you are getting what you asked for. one client per computer (actually there are still lots who can use multiple clients but the numbers are going down) Player have asked for this. PS - For the person who says I am a marketing alt. Wrong, I am just a little more level headed and open minded then some on this forum.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 08/08/2011 13:40:43 A lot of old frustration boiled up, that is the short story of it. Personally I checked the CQ with two PC, first one at work a Core 2 Quad with a 8800GTS 3 Gigs of RAM and Windows XP, but this can be hardly called modern hardware and the CQ takes 30seconds to load. On the other hand my personal PC is a Core I7, GTX480 and 8 Gigs f RAM and the CQ opens in about 5 seconds, I can hardly say that it slowed my computer, not even with 2 clients open. Edit: Oh and some people, I cannot think a nice word for them, who call everyone who disagrees a CCP alt. They are really a plague and would do everyone including themselves a favor if they just quit a game they dislike from a company they hate. I run on a AMD X2 1.6 dual core with 4 gig ram and a GT430, takes less than 10 seconds to load up CQ, so, older rig, no problems...
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Simetraz PS - For the person who says I am a marketing alt. Wrong, I am just a little more level headed and open minded then some on this forum. If you not marketing alt why calling mass quitting due to CCP huge error in judgement a hysteria? Why to spark in heavily fumed area? Dirty marketing move. I would agree on open minded but your own topic name and posts suggest otherwise. You very well know what sparked an outrage and mass quitting. Don't attempt to look innocent in a brothel. It's stupid for starters. Why people quit. Because your push of MT shop with clear view of P2W coming up on us and we never asked for that and never intended to play under these conditions. If we would we'd choose other game. Because you did not fixed bugs and not added space content that worth of mentioning but instead made a shop when you announced no plans for MT a year back. Because CCP arrogance and disregard of community wishes made people fed up. And here you are try to make an innocent surprise "Oh its all CQ oh what's the problem there". This is even more disgusting then arrogant blog of one of the devs for which he had to apoligise. When you dismiss a problem you have to deal with much greater problem later. May be CCP should start dealing with real problem instead of making innocent surprise stances. Before its too late. Industry knows that when playerbase of MMO reaches certain demise level its irreversible. I like EVE very much and don't want that to happen. But CCP seems to do everything for exactly that to happen to my surprise.
Name Family Name	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Simetraz And this really is the heart of the problem. EVE-Online has traditionally been very low on the resource count for a long time. The last time there was increase in resource requirements it created a out cry as well. But then the jump was not as large as this one is. They continued the classic client until changes to models and texture formats made it impossible. I can't imagine any way keeping door.jpg instead of loading CQ or whatever ressource hogging abomination of a ship hangar would be technically impossible. Quote: I am not sure how to put this. Would you expect to run multiple instances of Crysis 2 and another game @ the same time ? No - but then, Crysis 2 displays a little more than a single room that looks like games looked seven years ago, whilst being less demanding on my GPU. Moreover, you can actually do stuff in Crysis 2 (i.e. within the 3d environment), so I may want to concentrate on doing things in one instance. You don't really expect anyone to be glued to the screen, watching his avatar stare at a screen and scratch his head, do you? Quote: I think between the displacement of oh a good 20,000 characters in NC and the multi-boxers the numbers aren't that surprising. How can people not expect the games system requirements to go up. I don't even know anyone who doesn't multibox (and on a side note, I probably have a stronger dislike for the NC than you seem to have). Quote: one client per computer (actually there are still lots who can use multiple clients but the numbers are going down) Player have asked for this. And not being able to run multiple clients when being docked would change what exactly? In space, people will still operate their one-man 20 hulk gangs... We don't have the numbers, but my guess would be that the average eve player has 2 accounts - besides even if some players would have asked for this (where? when?), CCP would be pretty stupid if they gave in to that demand as it would diminish their returns. I can run two instances of CQ just fine, but why force me to load it? Even when the door opens and CCP forces CQ, I wont suddenly start walking in stations and buying NeX items, as I'm simply not interested to. If I was interested in MT-MMO games where I walk around, I would have started playing second life, not Eve. If CCP thinks they can retain more subscribers by implementing it - fine with me, but they shouldn't abandon the actual game over it and not force people to use it. Forcing people to load CQ is just like a sullen little girl stomping her foot in front of her playmate, trying to force him to play with her barbie-doll after he didn't voluntarily.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Alex Sinai Originally by: Simetraz PS - For the person who says I am a marketing alt. Wrong, I am just a little more level headed and open minded then some on this forum. If you not marketing alt....... WOW you are a rather angry person, almost hostile. You ever hear a saying about when an argument starts all communication stops ? I think your there. Most people would just do something else with your state of mind. I could prove I wasn't a marketing alt but then you don't believe anything I say anyways. I could flip the coin and wonder who you work for as you seem to be committed to proving I am a marketing alt. At any rate, thanks for the free bump, oh wait I just did it myself didn't I
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Soma Khan ccp marketing alt detected. gtfo Troll that can't counter an argument and uses a juvenile excuse to dismiss it detected. gtfo. Originally by: Alex Sinai If you not marketing alt why calling mass quitting due to CCP huge error in judgement a hysteria? Because it is. hysteria fueled by hateful trolls that continue to enjoy fanning the flames and stirring more hate because they feel somewhat wronged in their childish ego trips. There's no "huge error in judgment" around here. One doesn't need to be a marketing alt to call things with their name. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Name Family Name Forcing people to load CQ is just like a sullen little girl stomping her foot in front of her playmate, trying to force him to play with her barbie-doll after he didn't voluntarily. Yes I know and I agreed right off the bat that wasn't the brightest thing in the world to do. It almost makes you wonder if somebody was settling an old score. Ie - The original programmer that made the spinning ships left and somebody got a little over zealous in wiping out all traces of them. or this has happened before, the original programmer left and the new person could figure out how to make the new and old code work together so they deleted it. It happens ever now and again, where somebody seems to want to remove everything that was there before and create a new image with there vision. Makes you want to go hmmmmmm.
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Originally by: Soma Khan ccp marketing alt detected. gtfo Troll that can't counter an argument and uses a juvenile excuse to dismiss it detected. gtfo. Originally by: Alex Sinai If you not marketing alt why calling mass quitting due to CCP huge error in judgement a hysteria? Because it is. hysteria fueled by hateful trolls that continue to enjoy fanning the flames and stirring more hate because they feel somewhat wronged in their childish ego trips. There's no "huge error in judgment" around here. One doesn't need to be a marketing alt to call things with their name. why are you so unhappy? ccp salaries are low indeed, so get a job elsewhere __
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:14:00 - [26] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:15:22 Originally by: Soma Khan why are you so unhappy? ccp salaries are low indeed, so get a job elsewhere me unhappy? I'm enjoying the game, while you're obviously not, given how much you whine. Looks like the one that's unhappy here is you. May want to actually get a job, anywhere, instead of continuing to dwell in that basement. Might help in taking a game (and it's forum), and possibly yourself, less seriously :D -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Adonis Peverell	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Prince Kobol Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! I say we got trouble! Trouble with a capital T that rhymes with C that stands for CCP! Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda pilots. I'm gonna be perfectly frank. Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes on while they're loafin' around CQ? They're tryin' out Blue-Pill, tryin' out Mindflood, tryin' out X-Instinct like PVP fiends! And braggin' all about how they're gonna cover up a telltale breath with Quafe...
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:15:22 Originally by: Soma Khan why are you so unhappy? ccp salaries are low indeed, so get a job elsewhere me unhappy? I'm enjoying the game, while you're obviously not, given how much you whine. Looks like the one that's unhappy here is you. May want to actually get a job, anywhere, instead of continuing to dwell in that basement. Might help in taking a game (and it's forum), and possibly yourself, less seriously :D no you. look at the words you and your coworkers are using: "hysteria", "hateful trolls", "childish ego trips", etc. happy people don't use those words. you're in denial __
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Soma Khan look at the words you and your coworkers are using: "hysteria", "hateful trolls", "childish ego trips", etc. happy people don't use those words. you're in denial you mean happy people don't have a decent command of the english language? Sorry if that makes you feel inferior mate. I'm plenty happy, and the only one in denial is you. Try countering an argument next time, instead of trying to dismiss the person bringing the argument you can't counter. Believe me, it works much better and makes you look less like an angry troll. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:28:00 - [30] Large groups are always just a moment away from mass hysteria.
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:35:00 - [31] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Originally by: Soma Khan look at the words you and your coworkers are using: "hysteria", "hateful trolls", "childish ego trips", etc. happy people don't use those words. you're in denial you mean happy people don't have a decent command of the english language? Sorry if that makes you feel inferior mate. I'm plenty happy, and the only one in denial is you. Try countering an argument next time, instead of trying to dismiss the person bringing the argument you can't counter. Believe me, it works much better and makes you look less like an angry troll. there's no need to get defensive. admit you have a problem. take the first step __
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:42:00 - [32] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:42:29 Originally by: Soma Khan there's no need to get defensive. admit you have a problem. take the first step You're getting desperate there mate. You might want to just admit you're wrong, would make you look a little better, and probably happier on the long run. Or you can continue to rage, in which case I pity your liver. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:47:00 - [33] Edited by: Alex Sinai on 08/08/2011 18:48:06 Abriael VonRosen, State War Academy from 29.12.2008 22:22 to this day. For 2 years 7 months and 9 days. No record changes. NPC corp. What an active player. CCP you must be joking us. It's already funny and outstandingly laughable. What you try to prove with these trolling characters? Silence the voices which try to point you into direction that will save your game instead of destroying it? We will go away don't worry. As well as everybody else will if you continue the path you choose with EVE Online. And then there will be no EVE Online. Simetraz your silly attempts at psychologic analysis (or troll to name things their own names) was so funny and so largely missed the target. Thanks for making me laugh. Did your analysis projected from your personality? How silly. And funny. :-) Oh and when an employee of a company suggest to paying customer to go to other game that employee either gets fired while company make loud apologies to customer and if not then it means that this is a policy of that company. Again we return to door and its meaning... well done CCP! As for who am i work for. I work for company not related to MMOs in any way shape or form. Also i write articles which sometimes called reviews and sometimes previews for not-to-be-disclosed site or two. So you see, i'm not from competition as your question suggests and i actually play EVE Online because i like it.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:53:00 - [34] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:54:20 Originally by: Alex Sinai Abriael VonRosen, State War Academy from 29.12.2008 22:22 to this day. For 2 years 7 months and 9 days. No record changes. NPC corp. What an active player. Can't find a decent argument there, can you? You know, joining corporations isn't exactly mandatory in EVE. When I'll find one that suits me perfectly, I'll join it. So far it didn't happen and I doubt being a soloer is against the TOS. Bet that despite that I'm online more than you :D Quote: As for who am i work for. I work for company not related to MMOs in any way shape or form. Also i write articles which sometimes called reviews and sometimes previews for not-to-be-disclosed site or two. I sure hope you don't write in English, because your posts make my eyes bleed. And why don't you want to disclose who you write for? Do you have anything to hide? Funny that you'd accuse others of hiding something. I see some very poorly hidden hypocrisy here. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Alex Sinai Also i write articles For money?
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Marwood Ford Originally by: Alex Sinai Also i write articles For money? If you can call a sneak peak on not yet released games money. That's for previews. Reviews i get other type of reward. Satisfaction. Sometimes i get paid for checking the game and writing review. Never accepted payments from developers or publishers who's products i review. That would be conflict of interests.
Marwood Ford	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:14:00 - [37] Edited by: Marwood Ford on 08/08/2011 19:14:11 I'm sorry Alex, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you take kickbacks. That would be insulting.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Can't find a decent argument there, can you? You know, joining corporations isn't exactly mandatory in EVE. When I'll find one that suits me perfectly, I'll join it. So far it didn't happen and I doubt being a soloer is against the TOS. Bet that despite that I'm online more than you :D Laughable lousy argument not worthy of any reply at all. Thanks for showing your intellect. I'm astonished by it's cloak capability. Originally by: Abriael VonRosen I sure hope you don't write in English, because your posts make my eyes bleed. And why don't you want to disclose who you write for? Do you have anything to hide? Funny that you'd accuse others of hiding something. I see some very poorly hidden hypocrisy here. Please, let your eyes bleed. I understand your interest in what language i write previews/reviews. More then one. I also understand your interest in knowledge of whom am i write for. Don't worry i will satisfy your interest if and when i write article about EVE Online/Dust 514. I will send you the link to it. Might be more then one link. But you see, there's also conflict of interests. I like to play EVE online so my article about it might not be as neutral as i would like it to be. Due to this i will probably have to wait until my stance toward EVE Online become completely neutral. With all the support you provide it might happen soon enough. But may be it's worth to wait until Gamecon or later. No rush at all.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Marwood Ford Edited by: Marwood Ford on 08/08/2011 19:14:11 I'm sorry Alex, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you take kickbacks. That would be insulting. I'm sorry Marwood that i misunderstood you. Truly sorry. Please accept my sincere apologies.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Bane Necran Edited by: Bane Necran on 08/08/2011 18:30:01 Large groups are always just a moment away from mass hysteria. Having a rational reason for doing so goes against what hysteria actually is, so don't waste your time looking for one. Why not, everything on the forums is doom a gloom. So why not see if it is all really that bad. And although CCP seemed to have another wild hair moment. I see a lot of little things but not fix this and all will be better pill. Did you look @ the list from CSM OMG !!!!! How do you fix that, nobody can make up there mind what they want.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:37:00 - [41] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 19:37:56 Originally by: Alex Sinai Laughable lousy argument not worthy of any reply at all. Thanks for showing your intellect. I'm astonished by it's cloak capability. Sorry, but the quality of an argument is not for you to decide mate. But looks like you're not able to to reply to it, so we can move on. Quote: Please, let your eyes bleed. I understand your interest in what language i write previews/reviews. More then one. I also understand your interest in knowledge of whom am i write for. Don't worry i will satisfy your interest if and when i write article about EVE Online/Dust 514. I will send you the link to it. Might be more then one link. But you see, there's also conflict of interests. I like to play EVE online so my article about it might not be as neutral as i would like it to be. Due to this i will probably have to wait until my stance toward EVE Online become completely neutral. With all the support you provide it might happen soon enough. But may be it's worth to wait until Gamecon or later. No rush at all. Actually, i'm not interested at all about you or your articles, given how you write, doubt they'd be an enjoyable read anyway. What is easy to notice is that you go around accusing other to hide something, while you're the first one that hides something. Oh, by the way, liking something isn't and shouldn't be the reason not to review it. A journalist has the ability to split between his opinion and fact, and to clearly convey which is which. If you aren't able to do that, maybe the job simply isn't for you. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.08.08 19:42:00 - [42] Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 08/08/2011 13:46:59 Originally by: Simetraz With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? So because CCP doesn't make entirely game altering changes every six months, is causing it to die? Because I mean it isn't like other MMO's didn't wait a year to a year and a half to release their expansions. "SWG, EQ, WOW, Guild wars, Diablo 2." And the list goes on... For those upset with them developing new games after EIGHT years of making EVE. Get a clue! They know they need to expand to survive. If you want an EVE to play at all you should encourage them to grow as a company. Perhaps get more artists so we can get "finished" products sooner. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:04:00 - [43] Originally by: Simetraz Originally by: Bane Necran Edited by: Bane Necran on 08/08/2011 18:30:01 Large groups are always just a moment away from mass hysteria. Having a rational reason for doing so goes against what hysteria actually is, so don't waste your time looking for one. Why not, everything on the forums is doom a gloom. So why not see if it is all really that bad. And although CCP seemed to have another wild hair moment. I see a lot of little things but not fix this and all will be better pill. Did you look @ the list from CSM OMG !!!!! How do you fix that, nobody can make up there mind what they want. Well, if not all was that bad people would not leave in large numbers. I understand Simetraz (btw a very lovely name) that it is extremely hard for MMO development company to satisfy the majority. It's not even thinkable to satisfy everyone. Problem is that majority outraged. Meaning something was done so wrong or may be not wrong but blatantly harsh and without regard that sparked that chain of events we all witnessed. As far as i see there are countless posts against NoX MT shop. There also more then enough posts against CQ. However i did notice a pattern in my already two week investigation into that scandal (I had no idea what's going on, been away). Nearly every topic point the reason of anger at CQ or NoX because CCP found time to create these instead of fixing backlog of bugs and making some content for space flight. May be release of both CQ and NoX was an error. It happens with every company since companies consist of humans and we are not perfect. CCP chose to handle that scandal in worst scenario possible. May be there were shock and uncertainty of how to proceed since it's obvious CCP did not expect the response it received. Very well possible that where we are now is terrible coincidence of human error and unfortunate events altogether. But we have arrived to that. And somehow it needs to be repaired. Denial or anger won't help. Sometimes admittance of an error or clear explanation of the situation (why it was done as it is for example) help repair things much better then anything else. These CSM lists impossible to complete in a year. But starting to do at least something more then symbolically would be great help in putting the fires down. Besides that backlog did not arrive there by itself. Its a backlog of things that had to be done a long time ago but for this or that reason was not. Many people emotional reply comes not of hate but of frustration and anger. We all love this game and we all want it to succeed and even help CCP with Dust 514 interaction. But we also must know what is it there in the future. So far players have minimal information as of what how EVE Online viewed by its creators in future. There are no clear promise of no P2W in EVE Online. If there will be some kind of new or different P2W then why not to come out and just let all players know how developers view it and why they see it necessary for the game. If there won't be any P2W why not to say so. List goes on and on of questions without clear answers. It is unknown that frighten people the most. Even the worst enemy when seen in flesh and armor not that frightening as unknown. Uncertainty that was created with release of Incarna frightened people and CCP initial reaction frightened even more. That created anger and rage. And all that blew up.
StarGlider7 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Digital Messiah For those upset with them developing new games after EIGHT years of making EVE. Get a clue! They know they need to expand to survive. If you want an EVE to play at all you should encourage them to grow as a company. Perhaps get more artists so we can get "finished" products sooner. Oh c'mon...thats a terrible cop-out tbh. I think everyone here would want to see CCP grow and develop, and why not? some of us have a vested interest in them via a product that they deliver called EVE Online. If they can't see the opportunity to develop EVE with all the content/ideas thats already been posted in these threads (under the framework of an internet spaceship game) then they deserve the wrath off the fee paying customer tbh. Subscribers have a right to be upset when their money is used to fund other games at the DETRIMENT of the subscribers investment.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Originally by: Alex Sinai Laughable lousy argument not worthy of any reply at all. Thanks for showing your intellect. I'm astonished by it's cloak capability. Sorry, but the quality of an argument is not for you to decide mate. But looks like you're not able to to reply to it, so we can move on. Quote: Please, let your eyes bleed. I understand your interest in what language i write previews/reviews. More then one. I also understand your interest in knowledge of whom am i write for. Don't worry i will satisfy your interest if and when i write article about EVE Online/Dust 514. I will send you the link to it. Might be more then one link. But you see, there's also conflict of interests. I like to play EVE online so my article about it might not be as neutral as i would like it to be. Due to this i will probably have to wait until my stance toward EVE Online become completely neutral. With all the support you provide it might happen soon enough. But may be it's worth to wait until Gamecon or later. No rush at all. Actually, i'm not interested at all about you or your articles, given how you write, doubt they'd be an enjoyable read anyway. What is easy to notice is that you go around accusing others to hide something, while you're the first one that does exactly that. Oh, by the way, liking something isn't and shouldn't be the reason not to review it. A good journalist has the ability to split between his opinion and fact, and to clearly convey which is which. If you aren't able to do that, maybe the job simply isn't for you. besides, MMORPGs are complex games, journalists that don't play them actively for a decent amount of time, tend to do a very poor job at reviewing them. Your amount of advice to me suggest your deep interest which contradicts with your choice of words. Lets take your implification of hiding something. You hide the fact of being an employee of CCP? May be yes may be no. But you certainly not announce it on every corner and in post of yours. I just pointed out that you are CCP employee (may be outsource if they do that). It's obvious beyond reasonable doubt just by looking at your character history in EVE Online. Of course your attempts of insulting people to silence them does not speak highly of CCP either. You just smear the reputation of the company you work for. Which also not speak highly of you. You should know that any journalist or writer have a bulletproof skin and insults not work for these professions. Otherwise people look for other fields to apply their knowledge. Your attacks on my English language proficiency makes me smile. I don't have to write forum post in perfectly correct English. I pass a message with more simplified choice of words and disregard to some of the rules. The main is the message not perfect grammar of it. I suppose you know that too. Your suggestion for me to choose different professional field or how to write articles... thank you for your advice but i will decide myself what and how i do it. You also imply that i hid the fact that i write previews/reviews of games. Why would i shout out about it? I was not asked until now what i do. You asked, i replied. I am a player of the game. What difference would that make. Right now Abriael there is nothing to write about EVE Online. To write about Incarna? Nothing much to write apart from CQ. To write about the scandal? That would be unfair to developers. To write about how EVE Online be in future? That is so clouded right now that i will be guessing mostly. To write about what? There are no article to write for now. May be later as events develop. But for now i don't see anything to write about and not guess and damage already damaged CCP. My readers expect reliable information, not guessing.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 20:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Alex Sinai You hide the fact of being an employee of CCP? May be yes may be no. But you certainly not announce it on every corner and in post of yours. I just pointed out that you are CCP employee (may be outsource if they do that). It's obvious beyond reasonable doubt just by looking at your character history in EVE Online. You seem to assume that every soloer in the game is a CCP employee "beyond reaonable doubt", which of course is as laughable as saying that the sun is green. Quote: Of course your attempts of insulting people to silence them does not speak highly of CCP either. You just smear the reputation of the company you work for. Which also not speak highly of you. ah the hypocrisy. You go around accusing people to be CCP employees in order to try (and utterly fail) to silence them, then you accuse them of insulting you to silence you? Ironic, but also very hypocritical. Quote: You should know that any journalist or writer have a bulletproof skin and insults not work for these professions. Otherwise people look for other fields to apply their knowledge. Sure, I know very well, since I am one. On the other hand, from the way you handle differences of opinion a la "you think differently than I do, so you must be a CCP alt", you don't seem one at all. Quote: Your attacks on my English language proficiency makes me smile. I don't have to write forum post in perfectly correct English. I pass a message with more simplified choice of words and disregard to some of the rules. The main is the message not perfect grammar of it. I suppose you know that too. if you want your posts to be unpleasant to read and to give an impression of ignorance, more power to you. Quote: Your suggestion for me to choose different professional field or how to write articles... thank you for your advice but i will decide myself what and how i do it. before writing articles, you may want to be learn to handle difference of opinion a little better than this. Quote: You also imply that i hid the fact that i write previews/reviews of games. Why would i shout out about it? I was not asked until now what i do. You asked, i replied. I am a player of the game. What difference would that make. You're the one that's accusing others of hiding something, yet you seem not to be very keen on disclosing who you write for. Quote: Right now Abriael there is nothing to write about EVE Online. To write about Incarna? Nothing much to write apart from CQ. To write about the scandal? That would be unfair to developers. To write about how EVE Online be in future? That is so clouded right now that i will be guessing mostly. To write about what? There are no article to write for now. May be later as events develop. But for now i don't see anything to write about and not guess and damage already damaged CCP. My readers expect reliable information, not guessing. Actually, considering that MMORPGs evolve as fast as they do, there's a lot to write about EVE Online and 99% of the MMORPGs out there, since almost all the reviews written years ago are completely obsolete by now. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Adonis Peverell	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:19:00 - [47] Edited by: Adonis Peverell on 08/08/2011 21:19:46 @Alex Sinai, First, as a journalist, you should know that making baseless accusations against someone is not appropriate. I'm glad you're only covering video games where it doesn't particularly matter. But still, isn't there something to be said for journalistic integrity? Second, don't you think if CCP were creating hidden alts to post on the forums, they might have the foresight to have them join a corp? Maybe even a one man corp? I can tell you from experience that not everyone wants to be involved in a player corp. I've never joined one, and I was part of an NPC one for a long time before I started my own one-man corp.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen You're the one that's accusing others of hiding something, yet you seem not to be very keen on disclosing who you write for. I do understand how important it is for you to know whom am I write for. If you are a jounalist yourself as you stated above you also understand that I will not disclose my publishers before review goes online. If I ever write a review about EVE Online I will make sure CCP receive a link to it. However I never intended to write a review about EVE Online. I play the game because I like it not because I write reviews. Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Actually, considering that MMORPGs evolve as fast as they do, there's a lot to write about EVE Online and 99% of the MMORPGs out there, since almost all the reviews written years ago are completely obsolete by now. It sounds like a job offer. Unfortunately EVE Online does not have any potential for outstandingly positive front page review due to recent events and uncertainty surrounding its future in eyes of many of its players. I understand that CCP would like a positive review without regard to recent events. It would be possible to write a review only concerning gameplay if the game would be single player franchaise since company decisions about patches and addons in general does not have heavy impact on actual gameplay unless it is a game from certain famous publisher which tend to release unfinished games and patch on the go (Not related to CCP). MMORPGs is completely different story. I cannot write an article about EVE Online without report on recent events. I think we both agree that such an article will be unfair to developers and players. Let it settle down. Lets see how things develop. I state again I play the game because I like it. Not because I write reviews and it never was my intention to write a review about EVE Online.
Trainwreck McGee	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:33:00 - [49] Abriael is not in a corp b/c he is a t w a t not b/c he is a ccp alt.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Alex Sinai I do understand how important it is for you to know whom am I write for. You overstimate yourself way too much. I can't care the less about who you are or write for (if it's even true, because the way you write indicates the opposite), I just find it interesting that you accuse others of having hidden secrets while you're the first one to do so. Quote: It sounds like a job offer. Unfortunately EVE Online does not have any potential for outstandingly positive front page review due to recent events and uncertainty surrounding its future in eyes of many of its players. Which is your opinion, inconsequential, but still your opinion. Don't worry though, there are way better journos out there that write plenty reviews of older MMORPGs because they know they hold a good value for readers. And that doesn't only concern EVE online, there are plenty. The only job offer I could give you would be putting you in contact with my editors to let you finally write on a decent outlet, but from how you write here you don't seem to have what it takes. Sorry :D -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Adonis Peverell Edited by: Adonis Peverell on 08/08/2011 21:19:46 @Alex Sinai, First, as a journalist, you should know that making baseless accusations against someone is not appropriate. I'm glad you're only covering video games where it doesn't particularly matter. But still, isn't there something to be said for journalistic integrity? We can argue about baseless until end of times. It really depends on point of view common sense and facts at hand since we will never receive any solid proof. Besides, isn't CCP employees encouraged to create characters in EVE Online? You can read about it in dev blogs. Originally by: Adonis Peverell Second, don't you think if CCP were creating hidden alts to post on the forums, they might have the foresight to have them join a corp? Maybe even a one man corp? I can tell you from experience that not everyone wants to be involved in a player corp. I've never joined one, and I was part of an NPC one for a long time before I started my own one-man corp. Don't you think some of them create characters not to play but to be able to post on forums? I'm sure you did not spent 2 years or more in NPC corp before creating your own. Besides who could forsee such unfortunate chain of events? None of that supposed to happen but it did. Employees defend their company. That is perfectly understandable. It would be also good if they play the game they talk about. With such record as most of them have it is obvious they did not play the game they help to create. It's a question of common sense.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:43:00 - [52] Originally by: Alex Sinai Employees defend their company. Your "common sense" seems to dictate that since "employees defend their company" everyone that talks in favor of a game is an employee. Quite an unrealistic equation there, one that someone that's an actual gaming journo (and not just a random blogger or forum braggart like you seem to be, for instance) would not do. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:46:00 - [53] Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? At any rate if you are done I want to go back and find out how many of the masses that quit were actually part of the NC. Kind of curious if 0.0 politics took a role here like a really think they did.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:46:00 - [54] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 21:40:05 Originally by: Alex Sinai I do understand how important it is for you to know whom am I write for. You overstimate yourself way too much. I can't care the less about who you are or write for (if it's even true, because the way you write indicates the opposite), I just find it interesting that you accuse others of having hidden secrets while you're the first one to do so. Quote: It sounds like a job offer. Unfortunately EVE Online does not have any potential for outstandingly positive front page review due to recent events and uncertainty surrounding its future in eyes of many of its players. Which is your opinion, inconsequential, but still your opinion. Don't worry though, there are way better journos out there that write plenty reviews of older MMORPGs because they know they hold a good value for readers. And that doesn't only concern EVE online, there are plenty. The only job offer I could give you would be putting you in contact with my editors to let you finally write on a decent outlet, but from how you write here you don't seem to have what it takes. Sorry :D As for the rest, Adonis told you everything that you needed to hear. We had decent conversation. Very informative for each other and so civilized. Thank you for your offer but I prefer my own choice of publishers for whom I prefer to write articles. Do you mind if I quote you in case I decide to write something?
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Alex Sinai We had decent conversation. Very informative for each other and so civilized. Thank you for your offer but I prefer my own choice of publishers for whom I prefer to write articles. Do you mind if I quote you in case I decide to write something? You're right, so civilized :D You can quote me, if you're wlling to pay royalties -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:51:00 - [56] Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? At any rate if you are done I want to go back and find out how many of the masses that quit were actually part of the NC. Kind of curious if 0.0 politics took a role here like a really think they did.
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Simetraz Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? Eh, sorry, I don't swing that way :D -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 22:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Simetraz Abriael VonRosen - Alex Sinai Are you two a couple, you argue like one ? At any rate if you are done I want to go back and find out how many of the masses that quit were actually part of the NC. Kind of curious if 0.0 politics took a role here like a really think they did. Not as far as I know... not my taste and sex of choice. :-) I don't have any idea if 0.0 politics took a role in any of it. But might be interested in exploring how that would be possible?
Kadarin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.08 22:43:00 - [59] What, CCP astroturfing their own forums? I don't believe that for a moment...

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