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Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:27:00 - [1] With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. The solution for that is simply to leave your SHIPS window open (ALT-N). If you leave it up when you undock it will be there when you dock again. Granted in a game where lag foremost on the mind of players, putting in a system mechanic that slows people down while docking probably wasn't the best idea. And the fact that there was no option avoid CQ originally was not to bright either. However quitting over it is a whole different story. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria.
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:39:00 - [2] ccp marketing alt detected. gtfo __
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 08/08/2011 13:40:43 A lot of old frustration boiled up, that is the short story of it. Personally I checked the CQ with two PC, first one at work a Core 2 Quad with a 8800GTS 3 Gigs of RAM and Windows XP, but this can be hardly called modern hardware and the CQ takes 30seconds to load. On the other hand my personal PC is a Core I7, GTX480 and 8 Gigs f RAM and the CQ opens in about 5 seconds, I can hardly say that it slowed my computer, not even with 2 clients open. Edit: Oh and some people, I cannot think a nice word for them, who call everyone who disagrees a CCP alt. They are really a plague and would do everyone including themselves a favor if they just quit a game they dislike from a company they hate. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.08 13:45:00 - [4] Edited by: stoicfaux on 08/08/2011 13:46:59 Originally by: Simetraz With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:04:00 - [5] Originally by: stoicfaux You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? I suppose that would effect some people but will be the first to admit it , I have hardly gone down and used all the features in this game. I haven't touched T3 ships. Wormholes haven't really spent any real time in them. Incursions, still on the list of things to do. So although expansions are nice, I believe games should be good enough to stand on there own without them. Most of them are not and do need to pump something out every year in a box for the extra cash flow to keep them going. So although a expansion could keep someone in the game for awhile longer they where still going to leave.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:16:00 - [6] You're like 2 months late commenting on the "I quit" threads. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
RAW23	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Simetraz So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. I'm not sure I recall anyone claiming that anything that has actually been introduced broke the game. What got broke was a lot of players' relationships with CCP because of their attitude to communication and their failure to rule out certain game-breaking (for many players) features that seem to have been under internal consideration (although their statement that they currently have no plans to introduce said features seems to have satisfied quite a few of those who were initially angry).
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:21:00 - [8] The UI seems a bit sluggish. The dscan button tends to freeze up. This happened to me its annoying I have to keep redocking to fix it. Also: It seems pods do not propperly warp away anymore. There seems to be something wrong with the agility of pods and ships. I did not lose a pod but I have noticed the warp out button seems sluggish and think I just got lucky. This has prevented me from doing as much pvp as I would like. Also: Some people claim they are not getting bonuses applied to their ships. I haven't checked into this. So I can't say for sure. Plus over the past few expansions the game taken a few steps backward. Insurance nerf means no more battleships. Plus a decrease in pvp as a whole (as noted in QEN) You can't automatically fit your rigs through the fitting menu so I will occasionally put the wrong rig on. Decrease functionality. The only good thing that has happened since apoc 1.5 is a boost to faction frigs and a rockets fix. And of course there are major parts of the game that remain abandoned with no timeframe of when ccp might start work on them. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Thornat	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Simetraz With everyone complaining with threats of quitting, I started trying to figure out what has really changed. The only game mechanic that comes to mind is ship spinning. And although it was a nice feature and sorry to see it was binned, it is hardly a show stopper. The solution for that is simply to leave your SHIPS window open (ALT-N). If you leave it up when you undock it will be there when you dock again. Granted in a game where lag foremost on the mind of players, putting in a system mechanic that slows people down while docking probably wasn't the best idea. And the fact that there was no option avoid CQ originally was not to bright either. However quitting over it is a whole different story. So what else; NEK - Nope it has Zero impact, unless you look for it you wouldn't know it is there. CQ - Well we talked about that above, but once again it has zero impact when you are in space doing PvP. So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. Months of development time, money spent and the conclusion is that everything created is best left ignored. I'm not sure thats the response CCP was looking for. Your right of course, I believe the impact of the recent release is fairly minimal. A bit of station lag aside for the most part gameplay remains unaffected. If an expansion doesn't improve gameplay whats the point of making it in the first place?
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:33:00 - [10] Originally by: stoicfaux You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? What happens to MMO's that add the wrong content? Star Wars Galaxies - Reception and Criticism section... Originally by: John Smedly We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players. So yeah, MMO's can screw up in either direction... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:38:00 - [11] As someone pointed out I am 2 months behind in this thread but interestingly enough something else major happened just before and during the expansion. 0.0 got a major role over. I personally know people they simply stated they were not going back to high-sec and would rather quit then do that. It makes me wonder, considering how NC was famous for multiboxing and botters. Two different items that where hit hard by the expansion. How many people that jumped on the band wagon where ready to quit over losing there space and the expansion just made their decision a little easier ? It is possible this might be the first case of 0.0 politics causing the mass cancellation of accounts ? It just appears that on its own the expansion would not be enough. However if someone is already ****ed, well fuel to the fire. If true, it would make for a interesting twist.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:41:00 - [12] I had to turn off the CQ environments because the heat my computer would generate to load it was immense. I'd like to think I have a fairly butt-kicking machine, but I used to have a compy that was practically a space heater, and I refuse to go back to that. I'm not an alt
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:55:00 - [13] Edited by: Alex Sinai on 08/08/2011 15:05:43 Simetraz is marketing bot with 3 years 11 month and 2 days of experience and employment only in Star War Academy. And if you think of mass quitting as mass hysteria then CCP for sure doomed to fail and that's very sad. Dont reply to her people. She's here not to listen but to troll and push marketing. Not enough people quit darling? Want more? Who will pay salary to you when we all leave. Deviana Sevidon darling did you notice how many people left? You want to play this game alone? If there will be a game to play. Its not that a hundred or two left. Its thousands of players quit. I'd suggest you start thinking before you say anything. Lately we got lots of similar posts of CCP marketing and some devs pushing through with their P2W and Incarna is great speeches. No real facts about what's so great that we got in Incarna apart of course from great MT spending possibilites in NoX. The more of these posts i read the more i look to other games. Edit: Oh and someone employed by CCP calling that mass quitting mass hysteria was more then enough for me to understand perfectly clear now they understood nothing from that experience and will continue their way to disaster (RMT P2W with S2W). There's nothing we can do about it and they don't care what we think about it and wont change the direction this ship is heading. And if you **b marketing girl/boy think that people leave one by one you terribly deeply mistaken.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:57:00 - [14] Originally by: stoicfaux You answered your own question. Nothing has changed. edit: And what happens to MMOs that don't add content regularly? Winner!!!! Wherever you went - Here you are.
Prince Kobol	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:57:00 - [15] Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Name Family Name	Posted - 2011.08.08 15:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Name Family Name on 08/08/2011 15:18:24 Originally by: Simetraz So what has changed in game that makes everyone feel the latest expansion has broke the game ? I can't find a single thing that would merit mass hysteria. So far, it didn't break the game for me - it reduced functionality and immersion whilst adding nothing of value to me. As long as I can turn CQ off, I can still play the spaceship-part, and I never cared about NeX once they declared it would be vanity only. However, the announcement to remove the ability to turn CQ off in the future made me cancel all my recurring direct debit 3 month+ subscriptions and switch to plex payment, so I can quit on short notice once they make it mandatory and CCP don't get any more money from me until I see them put some effort into the actual game. The resons are pretty simple - all recent expansions have not really been to my taste, but who cares if some people like it and I don't, right? I didn't want to do Incursions, PI or FW - fine - I don't have to do it. The amount of asshatery it takes to even think about forcing CQ on us is mind-blowing. Sure - they said they would create something resembling the old ship hangar, but if it uses the incarna engine and has similar performance, I'd still prefer the door, since I wont be able to play the game like I used to and will be cut off from my main source of income, which is trade. You see, yesterday, I was logged in all day with two clients whilst playing Shogun 2, updating market orders whilst Shogun loaded a battle. Despite a rather powerful machine, I doubt I'd be able to do that with Incarnage loaded. So did it break the game yet? No - just the little faith I had left in CCP.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.08 15:16:00 - [17] From the solo pvper, or small gang pvper perspective the problems I listed are pretty bad. I would also add that CCP has done nothing to indicate they will improve the game for us. In fact there seems to be a good chance that taking away local will just make the pvp even blobbier and decent pvp almost impossible to come by. It seems that if you don't shoot red xs or play null sec blob warefare ccp doesn't know you exist. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:10:00 - [18] Edited by: Simetraz on 08/08/2011 17:12:14 Originally by: Name Family Name Sure - they said they would create something resembling the old ship hangar, but if it uses the incarna engine and has similar performance, I'd still prefer the door, since I wont be able to play the game like I used to and will be cut off from my main source of income, which is trade. You see, yesterday, I was logged in all day with two clients whilst playing Shogun 2, updating market orders whilst Shogun loaded a battle. Despite a rather powerful machine, I doubt I'd be able to do that with Incarnage loaded. And this really is the heart of the problem. EVE-Online has traditionally been very low on the resource count for a long time. The last time there was increase in resource requirements it created a out cry as well. But then the jump was not as large as this one is. I am not sure how to put this. Would you expect to run multiple instances of Crysis 2 and another game @ the same time ? I think between the displacement of oh a good 20,000 characters in NC and the multi-boxers the numbers aren't that surprising. How can people not expect the games system requirements to go up. I can run EVE no problem on a single core that isn't even capable of running Crysis 2 more then 5 frames a second. So the requirements are not that high and are still behind the curve. People have been complaining about multi-boxing and botters for a long time. Now you are getting what you asked for. one client per computer (actually there are still lots who can use multiple clients but the numbers are going down) Player have asked for this. PS - For the person who says I am a marketing alt. Wrong, I am just a little more level headed and open minded then some on this forum.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 08/08/2011 13:40:43 A lot of old frustration boiled up, that is the short story of it. Personally I checked the CQ with two PC, first one at work a Core 2 Quad with a 8800GTS 3 Gigs of RAM and Windows XP, but this can be hardly called modern hardware and the CQ takes 30seconds to load. On the other hand my personal PC is a Core I7, GTX480 and 8 Gigs f RAM and the CQ opens in about 5 seconds, I can hardly say that it slowed my computer, not even with 2 clients open. Edit: Oh and some people, I cannot think a nice word for them, who call everyone who disagrees a CCP alt. They are really a plague and would do everyone including themselves a favor if they just quit a game they dislike from a company they hate. I run on a AMD X2 1.6 dual core with 4 gig ram and a GT430, takes less than 10 seconds to load up CQ, so, older rig, no problems...
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Simetraz PS - For the person who says I am a marketing alt. Wrong, I am just a little more level headed and open minded then some on this forum. If you not marketing alt why calling mass quitting due to CCP huge error in judgement a hysteria? Why to spark in heavily fumed area? Dirty marketing move. I would agree on open minded but your own topic name and posts suggest otherwise. You very well know what sparked an outrage and mass quitting. Don't attempt to look innocent in a brothel. It's stupid for starters. Why people quit. Because your push of MT shop with clear view of P2W coming up on us and we never asked for that and never intended to play under these conditions. If we would we'd choose other game. Because you did not fixed bugs and not added space content that worth of mentioning but instead made a shop when you announced no plans for MT a year back. Because CCP arrogance and disregard of community wishes made people fed up. And here you are try to make an innocent surprise "Oh its all CQ oh what's the problem there". This is even more disgusting then arrogant blog of one of the devs for which he had to apoligise. When you dismiss a problem you have to deal with much greater problem later. May be CCP should start dealing with real problem instead of making innocent surprise stances. Before its too late. Industry knows that when playerbase of MMO reaches certain demise level its irreversible. I like EVE very much and don't want that to happen. But CCP seems to do everything for exactly that to happen to my surprise.
Name Family Name	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Simetraz And this really is the heart of the problem. EVE-Online has traditionally been very low on the resource count for a long time. The last time there was increase in resource requirements it created a out cry as well. But then the jump was not as large as this one is. They continued the classic client until changes to models and texture formats made it impossible. I can't imagine any way keeping door.jpg instead of loading CQ or whatever ressource hogging abomination of a ship hangar would be technically impossible. Quote: I am not sure how to put this. Would you expect to run multiple instances of Crysis 2 and another game @ the same time ? No - but then, Crysis 2 displays a little more than a single room that looks like games looked seven years ago, whilst being less demanding on my GPU. Moreover, you can actually do stuff in Crysis 2 (i.e. within the 3d environment), so I may want to concentrate on doing things in one instance. You don't really expect anyone to be glued to the screen, watching his avatar stare at a screen and scratch his head, do you? Quote: I think between the displacement of oh a good 20,000 characters in NC and the multi-boxers the numbers aren't that surprising. How can people not expect the games system requirements to go up. I don't even know anyone who doesn't multibox (and on a side note, I probably have a stronger dislike for the NC than you seem to have). Quote: one client per computer (actually there are still lots who can use multiple clients but the numbers are going down) Player have asked for this. And not being able to run multiple clients when being docked would change what exactly? In space, people will still operate their one-man 20 hulk gangs... We don't have the numbers, but my guess would be that the average eve player has 2 accounts - besides even if some players would have asked for this (where? when?), CCP would be pretty stupid if they gave in to that demand as it would diminish their returns. I can run two instances of CQ just fine, but why force me to load it? Even when the door opens and CCP forces CQ, I wont suddenly start walking in stations and buying NeX items, as I'm simply not interested to. If I was interested in MT-MMO games where I walk around, I would have started playing second life, not Eve. If CCP thinks they can retain more subscribers by implementing it - fine with me, but they shouldn't abandon the actual game over it and not force people to use it. Forcing people to load CQ is just like a sullen little girl stomping her foot in front of her playmate, trying to force him to play with her barbie-doll after he didn't voluntarily.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 17:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Alex Sinai Originally by: Simetraz PS - For the person who says I am a marketing alt. Wrong, I am just a little more level headed and open minded then some on this forum. If you not marketing alt....... WOW you are a rather angry person, almost hostile. You ever hear a saying about when an argument starts all communication stops ? I think your there. Most people would just do something else with your state of mind. I could prove I wasn't a marketing alt but then you don't believe anything I say anyways. I could flip the coin and wonder who you work for as you seem to be committed to proving I am a marketing alt. At any rate, thanks for the free bump, oh wait I just did it myself didn't I
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Soma Khan ccp marketing alt detected. gtfo Troll that can't counter an argument and uses a juvenile excuse to dismiss it detected. gtfo. Originally by: Alex Sinai If you not marketing alt why calling mass quitting due to CCP huge error in judgement a hysteria? Because it is. hysteria fueled by hateful trolls that continue to enjoy fanning the flames and stirring more hate because they feel somewhat wronged in their childish ego trips. There's no "huge error in judgment" around here. One doesn't need to be a marketing alt to call things with their name. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Name Family Name Forcing people to load CQ is just like a sullen little girl stomping her foot in front of her playmate, trying to force him to play with her barbie-doll after he didn't voluntarily. Yes I know and I agreed right off the bat that wasn't the brightest thing in the world to do. It almost makes you wonder if somebody was settling an old score. Ie - The original programmer that made the spinning ships left and somebody got a little over zealous in wiping out all traces of them. or this has happened before, the original programmer left and the new person could figure out how to make the new and old code work together so they deleted it. It happens ever now and again, where somebody seems to want to remove everything that was there before and create a new image with there vision. Makes you want to go hmmmmmm.
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Originally by: Soma Khan ccp marketing alt detected. gtfo Troll that can't counter an argument and uses a juvenile excuse to dismiss it detected. gtfo. Originally by: Alex Sinai If you not marketing alt why calling mass quitting due to CCP huge error in judgement a hysteria? Because it is. hysteria fueled by hateful trolls that continue to enjoy fanning the flames and stirring more hate because they feel somewhat wronged in their childish ego trips. There's no "huge error in judgment" around here. One doesn't need to be a marketing alt to call things with their name. why are you so unhappy? ccp salaries are low indeed, so get a job elsewhere __
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:14:00 - [26] Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:15:22 Originally by: Soma Khan why are you so unhappy? ccp salaries are low indeed, so get a job elsewhere me unhappy? I'm enjoying the game, while you're obviously not, given how much you whine. Looks like the one that's unhappy here is you. May want to actually get a job, anywhere, instead of continuing to dwell in that basement. Might help in taking a game (and it's forum), and possibly yourself, less seriously :D -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Adonis Peverell	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Prince Kobol Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! I say we got trouble! Trouble with a capital T that rhymes with C that stands for CCP! Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda pilots. I'm gonna be perfectly frank. Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes on while they're loafin' around CQ? They're tryin' out Blue-Pill, tryin' out Mindflood, tryin' out X-Instinct like PVP fiends! And braggin' all about how they're gonna cover up a telltale breath with Quafe...
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 08/08/2011 18:15:22 Originally by: Soma Khan why are you so unhappy? ccp salaries are low indeed, so get a job elsewhere me unhappy? I'm enjoying the game, while you're obviously not, given how much you whine. Looks like the one that's unhappy here is you. May want to actually get a job, anywhere, instead of continuing to dwell in that basement. Might help in taking a game (and it's forum), and possibly yourself, less seriously :D no you. look at the words you and your coworkers are using: "hysteria", "hateful trolls", "childish ego trips", etc. happy people don't use those words. you're in denial __
Abriael VonRosen Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Soma Khan look at the words you and your coworkers are using: "hysteria", "hateful trolls", "childish ego trips", etc. happy people don't use those words. you're in denial you mean happy people don't have a decent command of the english language? Sorry if that makes you feel inferior mate. I'm plenty happy, and the only one in denial is you. Try countering an argument next time, instead of trying to dismiss the person bringing the argument you can't counter. Believe me, it works much better and makes you look less like an angry troll. -- Abriael Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.08 18:28:00 - [30] Large groups are always just a moment away from mass hysteria.

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