Originally by: Kati Kirjasto

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Finally figured out that Cricket sucks, huh?

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Originally by: Ghoest

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I feel sorry for you Brits with no guns to protect yourselves.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Originally by: Ghoest

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I feel sorry for you Brits with no guns to protect yourselves.

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Yes, because rioting idiots with baseball bats are clearly worse than rioting idiots with guns...

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Originally by: Ghoest

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Originally by: Ghoest

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I feel sorry for you Brits with no guns to protect yourselves.

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Yes, because rioting idiots with baseball bats are clearly worse than rioting idiots with guns...

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Its rather rare to see violent rioters with guns. ussually the guys with guns are the ones protecting their property at a riot scene.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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Its rather rare to see violent rioters with guns. ussually the guys with guns are the ones protecting their property at a riot scene.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 09/08/2011 23:47:40

Originally by: Ghoest

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Its rather rare to see violent rioters with guns. ussually the guys with guns are the ones protecting their property at a riot scene.

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You have any solid evidence for this wild claim?

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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Originally by: Damnskippy

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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You have any solid evidence for this wild claim?

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Here is some.

http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/apr02/042602.htm

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Quote:

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ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Erich Pratt is the Director of Communications for Gun Owners of America, a national gun lobby with over 300,000 members

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 10/08/2011 01:06:35

Originally by: Damnskippy

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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You have any solid evidence for this wild claim?

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Here is some.

http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/apr02/042602.htm

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Quote:

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ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Erich Pratt is the Director of Communications for Gun Owners of America, a national gun lobby with over 300,000 members

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Oh, I'm sorry I should have been a bit more clear about the 'solid' part, and the 'evidence' part. I didnt want to make it sound like I was interested in lobbyist propaganda that lacks the above mentioned.

My bad, I apologize.

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Originally by: Damnskippy

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This source more to your liking?

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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People over in my country can own guns, and judging from those I know that do I'm sad to say 8 out of 10 fit into the 'nutjob' category in one way or another.

More guns available to the population means more guns on the streets in case of riots, thats pretty easy math. And that includes previous owner lying on the street with his skull bashed in and the new owner trading his bat for the gun.

Outgunned police forces is not what you need in these situations.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 10/08/2011 02:03:15

Originally by: Damnskippy

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This source more to your liking?

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I think you somehow dont understand the question.

As far as the source goes, I'll give you credit for not linking another openly lobbyist propaganda piece, but it kinda escapes me why you'd link to that specific article.

A 15 year old girl, unarmed, by mistake (aka trigger happyness) being assaulted and subsequently shot in the back by a shop owner while trying to buy groceries being one of the prime causes for mass riots is a pretty good argument for strict gun-control regulations I would say.

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Originally by: Babyfarts Mcdougan

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OK...get it..you don't like guns. But you asked for a source and you received it.

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 10/08/2011 02:40:54

Originally by: Babyfarts Mcdougan

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OK...get it..you don't like guns. But you asked for a source and you received it.

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Not at all, I'm not gun crazy by any means but didnt have a problem with them during my military service. I actually enjoyed shooting the G3 tbh.

What I do have a problem with is guns in the hands of civilians.

Also, I asked for a reliable source proving mass quantities of firearms in in civilians hands do not mean more guns being used by rioters. Solid facts mind you, not anecdotes.

I havent seen anything substantial in that regard yet, all we've seen so far strongly suggests civilian gun ownership is a bad idea in case of riots as it means more guns on the streets in a highly volatile situation.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 10/08/2011 02:40:54

Originally by: Babyfarts Mcdougan

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OK...get it..you don't like guns. But you asked for a source and you received it.

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Not at all, I'm not gun crazy by any means but didnt have a problem with them during my military service. I actually enjoyed shooting the G3 tbh.

What I do have a problem with is guns in the hands of civilians.

Also, I asked for a reliable source proving mass quantities of firearms in in civilians hands do not mean more guns being used by rioters. Solid facts mind you, not anecdotes.

I havent seen anything substantial in that regard yet, all we've seen so far strongly suggests civilian gun ownership is a bad idea in case of riots as it means more guns on the streets in a highly volatile situation.

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I think the onus of proof would be on you. We live in a country where guns are literally everywhere its our observation that guns arent used much at all in riots.
If your so sure that our experiences are wrong - how about presenting some examples of rioters using using guns in a western nation?

The only a few western nations have massive gun ownership. None of them frequently have serious riots. The last major riot in the US was the Rodney King riots in LA, I do remember that the there were almost no stories of rioters using guns and many stories of people guarding property with guns.
Any rioter who trys to even flash gun is always the first target of police and property owners tend to shoot them.

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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I think the onus of proof would be on you.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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The last major riot in the US was the Rodney King riots in LA, I do remember that the there were almost no stories of rioters using guns and many stories of people guarding property with guns.

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Originally by: Skinae

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Edited by: Skinae on 10/08/2011 05:39:27

Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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How many 6'6 410lb black men do your rugby teams have?

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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• High-pressure fire-hose of citric acid. Non-lethal and possibly tasty!
• Position 2 trucks on both ends of a road, facing each other with rioters in the middle. Attach a wall to each truck, which spans the entire road. Drive the trucks together, forcing the rioters into an extremely tight and compact pile. Pour a chemical solution over them which deteriorates clothing. Pour a solution which gives people severe vomiting and diarrhoea.
• 800RPM automatic flashbang grenade launcher! Aim into crowd, watch them disperse!
• 500,000RPM rubber bullet minigun. best to keep this weapon for medium-ranged shooting.
• Nut-cracker mine. Set it on the ground. Upon detecting a target standing above, it propels itself into the target's sensitive parts.
• A gun which shoots millions mosquitoes genetically modified for a 10 minute lifespan. Mosquitoes are damn annoying. Dispersed rioters can be arrested later due to obvious itchy bumps.
• High-pressure fire-hose of extremely sticky, smelly ooze. Like a stasis webifier, but medium range and disgusting!
• Seizure gun. Apparently this weapon is under development. Aim at enemy face, pull trigger, they seizure.
• Gas bombs which, upon inhalation, permanently reduce breast/wang size by 50%
• Bombs which explode in cow manure.
• A sniper rifle loaded with tasers which attach to the target, shocking them for up to 5 minute. Buries into skin. Degrades after 2 days.

Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet

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Fun crowd-control alternatives:

• Gas bombs which, upon inhalation, permanently reduce breast/wang size by 50%

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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

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Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 10/08/2011 08:04:59

When I was serving in the military it was made very clear that it is only acceptable to use a firearm (with live ammo) on humans when the hostile is carrying a firearm (or equally bad stuff) himself - and even then there is going to be a criminal investigation of the case afterwards (no matter whether this happens in your home country or Afghanistan) to determine whether you did really act within reason.

In any other case the only way you are going to use your firearm is as a club or to give off warning shots into the air (which is btw the highest stage of escalation you are allowed to use when facing rioters).

Of course exceptions are made when a life is in immediate danger - but using a firearm against opponents that are unarmed/armed with clubs to protect your property is just plain wrong. The idea of some shop owner firing away at people to protect his windows from being smashed lacks any notion of commensurability.

How likely is a civilian to have the training and self-restraint to give proper warning, aim for inflicting only non-serious injuries, ... ?

I recall a semi-recent case of some old man being assaulted by a small gang of youths in his home - when they left (after taking jewelry and money) he took the opportunity and gave off one or two shots with his rifle - boom, headshot. (and he even had a gun permission, had shooting training, ... and still failed completely in the situation at hand) That's the sort of situation that I would use to explain why you generally can't give firearms into the hands of civilians.

You cannot give people means to inflict damage far beyond anything a court is allowed to impose just based on the whim of a (probably very emotional) moment.

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Originally by: baltec1

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We need to send in Borris, in riot gear, armed with an iron bar and riding a hire bike.

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Originally by: RAW23

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Whilst I find the fetishisation of firearms in some segments of the US population highly alarming, I am entirely supportive of the notion that personal safety (of life, liberty and property) are primarily the responsibility of the individual and that abdicating this responsibility to the state is one of the causes of the general feelings of impotence that many Brits (and other Europeans) labour under. Everyone should be armed for personal protection at all times. The idea that the police and/or state are even competent to protect you, your property and your freedom is purely mythological. Crime clear-up rates are incredibly low and the chances of actually getting police help in the course of being attacked are vanishingly small. By refusing to take responsibility for our own safety you contribute to a reliance culture that will inevitably turn to disillusionment when it is realised that you can't rely on the state at all. As to the example of shooting someone whilst they flee from the scene of their crime, I really have very little sympathy for anyone who CHOOSES to put themselves in that position and have no problems with the risks they run being increased. Once you start playing the proportionality game you concede control of the situation to the agressor.

Obviously, as a liberal/lefty brit, I am used to almost no-one ever agreeing with me on these points except people who's politics I find nauseating

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Originally by: Omara Otawan

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Originally by: Ghoest

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The last major riot in the US was the Rodney King riots in LA, I do remember that the there were almost no stories of rioters using guns and many stories of people guarding property with guns.

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Since you mention these riots, why dont you research a bit?

Someone already posted a nyt news article regarding death toll citing a tally of coroners reports in this thread, I wont repost it as the poster removed it probably since it is kinda inappropriate for these forums but its easy enough to find on google.

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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As a Brit I would contradict these statements, and would point out that it confirms the poasters name. I smell a pasty faced kid who never got involved with sport of any sort...

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Originally by: Ejit

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I remember watching the miner strikes in the early 80's. Police would wade into a peaceful picket line with riot shields and batons and batter the hell out of them.

How times have changes...

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Originally by: ChromeStriker

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Originally by: Skinae

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Edited by: Skinae on 10/08/2011 05:39:27

Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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How many 6'6 410lb black men do your rugby teams have?

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We dont, we have 6'6 viking's, aus'ies, scotsmen ect all of which dont get a sweat on at the thought of food or running for more than 2min without a break

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Originally by: Mouthy Misses

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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this seriously had me psml, best post ive read on this forum..uh ever

im english btw so i agree with it too

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Originally by: Captain Megadeath

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[No, what needs to be done is to send in water cannon, filled with sulphuric acid

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Originally by: Gorki Andropov

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Originally by: ChromeStriker

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Originally by: Skinae

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Edited by: Skinae on 10/08/2011 05:39:27

Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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How many 6'6 410lb black men do your rugby teams have?

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We dont, we have 6'6 viking's, aus'ies, scotsmen ect all of which dont get a sweat on at the thought of food or running for more than 2min without a break

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Hello Mr. Racist.

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Originally by: Ejit

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Edited by: Ejit on 10/08/2011 12:43:48

Originally by: Hestia Mar

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As a Brit I would contradict these statements, and would point out that it confirms the poasters name. I smell a pasty faced kid who never got involved with sport of any sort...

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Not that I have to but I would like to clarify that's I'm actually 37, I've been married for 13 years and the wife and I have 5 kids between the ages of 2 and 16.

I also spent most of the 90's in the army. I severed with a certain Welsh infantry regiment before moving on to specialise with the Engineers.

During that time I toured Northern Ireland and the Balkans twice, first one during the height of the troubles and ethnic cleansing (that was grim and enough to turn a man to drink...ohh wait!)

I've been using my experience to draw a comparison with the current troubles regarding UK policing. Mainly comparing their reluctance to engage in a pro active manner.

For instance. When I was peacekeeping with the UN, they'd issue pamphlets and guidelines detailing the current rules of engagement.

They were utterly ridicules and here's a real example.

UN manned checkpoint.

PVT: Sir, there is a person running down the hill towards the checkpoint.
2LT: Is the individual posing a threat?
PVT: No sir.
2LT: Nothing we can do then.
PVT: Sir, the guy is getting closer and appears to be holding a grenade, permission to engage?
2LT: Is he posing a threat to you at this particular moment?
PVT: No sir.
2LT: Nothing we can do then.
PVT: Sir, the guy is now in berserker mode and appears to have a finger in the ring pull and is extracting the safety pin.
2LT: Is he posing a threat to yours, mine or anyone's life and limb at this time?
PVT: Errr...well, I guess not at this exact second!
2LT: Nothing we can do then.
PVT: Sir, the grenade has now left the persons hand and it is now inbound in our general direction, permission to engage?
2LT: Negative, person is now unarmed and not posing a threat.
PVT: Sir, grenade has now landed at our feet and is....BooM.

And that kind of reluctance to engage due to fear of offending and upsetting minority's will and does inevitably cause more trouble than it solves and is the same issue facing UK policing.

I remember watching the miner strikes in the early 80's. Police would wade into a peaceful picket line with riot shields and batons and batter the hell out of them.

How times have changed...

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Originally by: Peri Simone

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http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/04/us/riots-in-los-angeles-the-toll-some-of-50-killed-in-los-angeles-violence.html

There's the link, which I removed due to a sudden moment of "somebody's wrong on the internet" self-awareness. This topic is already being discussed in OOPE.

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Originally by: Information Agent

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What did he say that was racist? Seriously, don't be so fast to play that card.

At 6'6 and 410lb's, I'd imagine that person would find it hard to get around and would most likely be very unhealthy.

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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I'm also ex-Army, did NI and Cyprus for my active service, but thankfully never had the misfortune to serve with any Welsh Infantry regiments...

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Originally by: Gorki Andropov

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Originally by: Information Agent

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What did he say that was racist? Seriously, don't be so fast to play that card.

At 6'6 and 410lb's, I'd imagine that person would find it hard to get around and would most likely be very unhealthy.

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He suggested that while a 6'6" 410lb black man would tire quicker than a white equivalent.

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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Originally by: Ejit

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Edited by: Ejit on 10/08/2011 12:43:48

Originally by: Hestia Mar

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As a Brit I would contradict these statements, and would point out that it confirms the poasters name. I smell a pasty faced kid who never got involved with sport of any sort...

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Not that I have to but I would like to clarify that's I'm actually 37, I've been married for 13 years and the wife and I have 5 kids between the ages of 2 and 16.

I also spent most of the 90's in the army. I severed with a certain Welsh infantry regiment before moving on to specialise with the Engineers.

During that time I toured Northern Ireland and the Balkans twice, first one during the height of the troubles and ethnic cleansing (that was grim and enough to turn a man to drink...ohh wait!)

I've been using my experience to draw a comparison with the current troubles regarding UK policing. Mainly comparing their reluctance to engage in a pro active manner.

For instance. When I was peacekeeping with the UN, they'd issue pamphlets and guidelines detailing the current rules of engagement.

They were utterly ridicules and here's a real example.

UN manned checkpoint.

PVT: Sir, there is a person running down the hill towards the checkpoint.
2LT: Is the individual posing a threat?
PVT: No sir.
2LT: Nothing we can do then.
PVT: Sir, the guy is getting closer and appears to be holding a grenade, permission to engage?
2LT: Is he posing a threat to you at this particular moment?
PVT: No sir.
2LT: Nothing we can do then.
PVT: Sir, the guy is now in berserker mode and appears to have a finger in the ring pull and is extracting the safety pin.
2LT: Is he posing a threat to yours, mine or anyone's life and limb at this time?
PVT: Errr...well, I guess not at this exact second!
2LT: Nothing we can do then.
PVT: Sir, the grenade has now left the persons hand and it is now inbound in our general direction, permission to engage?
2LT: Negative, person is now unarmed and not posing a threat.
PVT: Sir, grenade has now landed at our feet and is....BooM.

And that kind of reluctance to engage due to fear of offending and upsetting minority's will and does inevitably cause more trouble than it solves and is the same issue facing UK policing.

I remember watching the miner strikes in the early 80's. Police would wade into a peaceful picket line with riot shields and batons and batter the hell out of them.

How times have changed...

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LOL our lives are a bit similar then - although I'm a bit (i.e. a lot) older than you, I'm also ex-Army, did NI and Cyprus for my active service, but thankfully never had the misfortune to serve with any Welsh Infantry regiments...but your life history doesn't excuse your comments about the great sport that is baseball!!!

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"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.", Noah Webster.

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Originally by: Kijo Rikki

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Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 13:30:29

Quote:

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"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.", Noah Webster.

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I wonder if Noah is seeing the same America I'm seeing. 1984 has come and gone, if the military even remotely backs the government its people are screwed. Even without the military surveillance , intelligence and counter intelligence will go a long way to squashing any uprising.

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Originally by: Skinae

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How many 6'6 410lb black men do your rugby teams have?

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Originally by: I'm 5particus

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Originally by: Skinae

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How many 6'6 410lb black men do your rugby teams have?

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You think a bunch of fatties with body armour are more intimidating than Samoan/Maori doing Haka. LOL.

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Originally by: RAW23

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Originally by: Kijo Rikki

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Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 13:30:29

Quote:

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"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.", Noah Webster.

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I wonder if Noah is seeing the same America I'm seeing. 1984 has come and gone, if the military even remotely backs the government its people are screwed. Even without the military surveillance , intelligence and counter intelligence will go a long way to squashing any uprising.

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I mean, they did so well in Iraq and Afghanistan that I'm sure they would have no problem carrying out counter-insurgency ops against a population 10x bigger in a country that is half of a continent.

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Originally by: Kati Kirjasto

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Finally figured out that Cricket sucks, huh?
Amazon sales - LINK
Are they hanging on the edge of their seat, wondering who is going to win the pennant race this year? Cheering for those loveable losers, the Pittsburgh Pirates?

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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...as well being a diehard member of the toon army.

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Originally by: RAW23

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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I'm also ex-Army, did NI and Cyprus for my active service, but thankfully never had the misfortune to serve with any Welsh Infantry regiments...

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7614 Jones? Here sir.
6351 Jones? Here sir.
1635 Jones? Here sir.
9534 Jones? Here sir.
1579 Jones? Here sir.
1953 Jones? Here sir.
1950 Jones? Here sir.
2543 Evans? Here sir.
7591 Jones? Here sir.
3614 Jones? Here sir.
5351 Jones? Here sir.
1535 Jones? Here sir.
9934 Jones? Here sir.
1279 Jones? Here sir.
1753 Jones? Here sir.
9950 Jones? Here sir.
3543 Davies? Here sir.
1191 Jones? Here sir.

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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As a Brit I would contradict these statements, and would point out that it confirms the poasters name. I smell a pasty faced kid who never got involved with sport of any sort...

I played baseball for many years here in the UK, and am a diehard Mets fan, as well being a diehard member of the toon army. I also follow the New England Patriots during the NFL season.

As for the patently stupid statements about gun ownership, well, they were just so ridiculous that I'm dumbfounded...

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Originally by: Fractal Muse

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Say or write something long enough and loud enough then some people will start believing it. Once they believe then it is right.

For example, guns aren't used by rioters, they are only used by law-abiding shop owners to shoot looters. That link is 'leftist' propaganda.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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I do remember that the there were almost no stories of rioters using guns and many stories of people guarding property with guns.

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Originally by: Ejit

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Originally by: RAW23

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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I'm also ex-Army, did NI and Cyprus for my active service, but thankfully never had the misfortune to serve with any Welsh Infantry regiments...

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7614 Jones? Here sir.
6351 Jones? Here sir.
1635 Jones? Here sir.
9534 Jones? Here sir.
1579 Jones? Here sir.
1953 Jones? Here sir.
1950 Jones? Here sir.
2543 Evans? Here sir.
7591 Jones? Here sir.
3614 Jones? Here sir.
5351 Jones? Here sir.
1535 Jones? Here sir.
9934 Jones? Here sir.
1279 Jones? Here sir.
1753 Jones? Here sir.
9950 Jones? Here sir.
3543 Davies? Here sir.
1191 Jones? Here sir.

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hahaha that really does take me back. There were so many Jones's and Davies that we usually ended up just using their last 2 service number digits.

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Originally by: Kijo Rikki

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Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 13:20:05

Originally by: Gorki Andropov

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Originally by: Information Agent

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What did he say that was racist? Seriously, don't be so fast to play that card.

At 6'6 and 410lb's, I'd imagine that person would find it hard to get around and would most likely be very unhealthy.

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He suggested that while a 6'6" 410lb black man would tire quicker than a white equivalent.

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Good thing they have forward momentum.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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LOL


I feel sorry for you Brits with no guns to protect yourselves.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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LOLI feel sorry for you Brits with no guns to protect yourselves.

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If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteen being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; But be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering...and the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.

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Originally by: Gorki Andropov

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Originally by: Information Agent

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What did he say that was racist? Seriously, don't be so fast to play that card.

At 6'6 and 410lb's, I'd imagine that person would find it hard to get around and would most likely be very unhealthy.

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He suggested that while a 6'6" 410lb black man would tire quicker than a white equivalent.

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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Originally by: Tian Garsk

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Originally by: I'm 5particus

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Originally by: Skinae

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How many 6'6 410lb black men do your rugby teams have?

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You think a bunch of fatties with body armour are more intimidating than Samoan/Maori doing Haka. LOL.

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Originally by: Hestia Mar

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Originally by: Ejit

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Here in the UK Baseball is called Rounders and is almost entirely played by girls.

Same for American Football. Here it's called Rugby only without all the gay body armour and nut cups....

But yeah Baseball bats here are only used for cracking skulls.

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As a Brit I would contradict these statements, and would point out that it confirms the poasters name. I smell a pasty faced kid who never got involved with sport of any sort...

I played baseball for many years here in the UK, and am a diehard Mets fan, as well being a diehard member of the toon army. I also follow the New England Patriots during the NFL season.

As for the patently stupid statements about gun ownership, well, they were just so ridiculous that I'm dumbfounded...

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