In EvE you are not in a cockpit. You are in a pod full of goo.

EvE is more systems management than first person twitch shooter.

It's a deal-breaker for me. I won't be extending my trial because of it.

When I started playing I was dismayed by the lack of a first-person view as well, but you'll soon come to appreciate how important the third-person view really is and realize how disadvantaged you'd be with a first-person view. I'd give the game a chance with at least one month of regular subscription before you give up on it. Everything becomes more immersive the more you start to understand about the space portion of the game.

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I'll just leave this here.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Jovian_Wetgrave

I'm a big fan of Egosoft's X space-flight games, and it goes without saying that the best way to enjoy exploring space is with a first-person (or cockpit) view.

But for some reason Eve Online does't allow this. Instead we have to zoom-out of the third-person view of our ship in an attempt to immerse ourselves in the scenery. But this doesn't help, as the engine noises get quieter and you lose the visual-connection with your own ship, meaning you can't fly your ship immersively.


I'm not interested in story reasons, like ships don't have cockpits, camera drones and the like, I'm interested in the aesthetic and technical reasons why an option to offer a first-person view hasn't been implemented.


It's a deal-breaker for me. I won't be extending my trial because of it.

Hmz. I agree. If this already really annoys you, then EVE might not be the game for you.

As for why cockpit won't work, get into a real fleet fight and your limited FoV will heavily limit you.

MECHANICS - You cant see anything from a cockpit.

Kinda like asking why they use lightsabers instead of samurai swords in SWTOR, but not being interested in storyline related replies..

EVE is simply not a first person twitch space sim, period. The server engine ticks at 1 Hz, ie. any kind of twitch combat is nigh impossible at the moment. Lot of us like it that way, the combat is much more tactical plus it enables large fleet fights with up to 2k pilots involved. Something that would be very hard to pull off were it first person. Plus you would not even be able to appreciate the full glory of such an engagement.

And again a group of replies which focus on story reasons. I said I wasn't interested, please keep this reasoning out of the discussion. The story-angle isn't a good enough reason anyway, as it would be very simple to introduce the idea of a camera drone at the front of the craft.


What I am interested in are the technical, functional and aesthetic reasoning behind the decision to not even include the first-person view as an optional camera mode.




Egosoft's games have proven that technically and functionally, even in hectic combat, the first-person works just fine.

So perhaps it was just an aesthetic decision on the part of the developers? They want the game to be played and experienced in a specific way and the first-person view just doesn't match up with their vision.

If that's what it is, then of course I can understand it. I suppose after many years of being online if there was a significant clamour for first-person then they would have offered the option by now...but it seems I'm likely in a small minority.





Of course you can see out of the cockpit...what strange reasoning you have. You can have a window showing a wide 180-¦ view if you wanted. It would be immersive-bliss. When you do want to see more, you can switch back to external camera drones.




Oh dear, haha! No...it's nothing like the difference between swords and lightsabers, as these things aren't views...they're weapons. And again you're focussing on the story anyway.

Have you never played flight games before? The best ones are generally first-person view, or at least give you that option (see also driving games).


@++berfans, there's no need to get all defensive. It's just a thread about the non-story reasons why there's no first-person option...that's all.

1.) I came to EVE from the X-series. I love the X-series but EVE is nothing like it other then both are situated in space.

2.) Your post about the hectic battles in the X-series are just minor PvE engagement in EVE. Battles in the X-series can't be compared to PvP battles in EVE.

If in EVE you had a cockpit / bridge FoV and the FC would say to shoot pilot "x", all players in the fleet first have to turn their ships around to find that pilot. If you are talking about 200 vs 200 battles that's a lot of ships to look at and then find that one pilot you need to shoot. Current system (3rd person view + overview) works great in battles.

3.) I suggest you (as I did) approach EVE without the X-series mindset. I love space games, so tried EVE out. But I did it with a clear mind so I would see the great things the game had to offer me (and never regretted I did it).

Also a good post...cheers.

What I find odd. Only after 90 minutes you already decided that you don't like EVE. I would suggest to at least play out your trial account. Give it 14 days to learn a bit about EVE and how it works. Maybe at the end of those 2 weeks you might have changed your mind.

Basically a front-first-person view would be useless or actively detrimental in a large % of Eve combat situations. The places where it would contribute to combat would be relatively small. CCP deliberately doesn't want Eve to be run like a fighter sim. So no cockpit view, sorry.

How did you know it was 90 minutes? Does it say it in my profile?

You're quite right that I've barely gave the game a chance...all I did was leave the dock and flew towards ships, stations, belts and warped & jumped to various systems...docked at another station but it was all done off-screen. In X the docking, as you know, is done manually, you experience it all.

Basically I was really in the mood for some cosmic blissful spaceflight and wrongly assumed I would get it from Eve. After 90 minutes I realised that without my preferred first-person view I wasn't going to find what I was looking for. No doubt Eve offers something else, but I'm just not looking for it.




Fair point well made.

Eve is not elite v3.0

discuss the future feasibility of allowing a first-person view

Have you never played flight games before? The best ones are generally first-person view, or at least give you that option (see also driving games).

And because some people still think that there is no bridge and no crew:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines

Cleaned up some posts that weren't on topic.

Also if you want a feature to be added or looked at and discussed please take it to the Features & Ideas section.

OP seems to be the sort who would walk onto a hockey pitch and demand to know why he can't use a baseball bat.

Picture FPV being allowed on frigate class vessles (or fighters...thinking outside the box), then imagine the full scale of immersion you would get while pointing and orbiting a capital ship (which would look HUGE in FPV) with your tackle squad, while your fleet is bombarding it from afar.

I don't remember any off-topic posts. And the ones about "there's the door" and ones going on about the story still remain.

Can trial members now post elsewhere?

Picture FPV being allowed on frigate class vessles (or fighters...thinking outside the box), then imagine the full scale of immersion you would get while pointing and orbiting a capital ship (which would look HUGE in FPV) with your tackle squad, while your fleet is bombarding it from afar.

For me, its not a bad concept...its just a new one.

I'm not here to censor (unless I have to due to rules violation) i'm here to keep order and things on topic. If you feel a post should be looked at please go ahead and report it and we will take a look at it.

Not to my knowledge but if the topic goes that way I will have to put it in the proper section for that type of discussion. Since Developers do read the forums and I know a few do read the F&I section best just make it easy to find the "EVE Should have XYZ" threads instead of hunting all over the forums for them.

You wouldn't see much more than a piece of hull through such a limited field of vision and some simulated flashes god knows where around your ship, and simulated explosions in some direction, so I tend to prefer the zoomed out camera drone option where you actually see the engagement than a first-person peek through a loophole with stuff happening somewhere around.
Would be like being a kiddo in a packed crowd of adults at a fireworks show, you see flashes and hear splosions, but miss all the good stuff until one drags you up to sit you on their shoulders.

Picture FPV being allowed on frigate class vessles (or fighters...thinking outside the box), then imagine the full scale of immersion you would get while pointing and orbiting a capital ship (which would look HUGE in FPV) with your tackle squad, while your fleet is bombarding it from afar.

In EvE you are not in a cockpit. You are in a pod full of goo.

EvE is more systems management than first person twitch shooter.

A 5 km long object (capital ship) from 20 km away (typical practical tackle frigate orbit distance) in a typical 90 degree FOV (90-110 degrees is what is usually used for first-person views) shows up as 1/8 the lengh/height of your screen. That is, it takes up 1/64 of your screen. That is hardly impressive. To make it look impressive, you'd have to use an absurdly low angle for the FOV, which would feel like the equivalent to using a high power telescope to watch the flight of a fly several blocks away.

Indeed!

Eve will not have first person flying.

Deal with it.

Your the kind that will cry at everything

Why is there always some primitive troll who tries to derail an otherwise decent thread?

You seem a little stubborn so I'll get into details.

The first thing is that eve is not a game where you fly around in a shiny ship. It's a universe filled with paranoid socially inapt psychopath and all of them are here to get you.

Correction: a lot of the most dangerous ones actually have pretty good social skills.

The socially "inapt" ones complain about blobs

enable the advanced camera settings, press cntrl + F9. you will get your blissful flying. or you can learn eve and pvp and have a lot more fun. but to each their own, I'm not judging.

Of course I tried that, but I'm not flying in first-person, I'm just moving an external camera in first-person. There's a significant difference. The physics are off for a start.

How did you know it was 90 minutes? Does it say it in my profile?

You're quite right that I've barely gave the game a chance...all I did was leave the dock and flew towards ships, stations, belts and warped & jumped to various systems...docked at another station but it was all done off-screen. In X the docking, as you know, is done manually, you experience it all.

Basically I was really in the mood for some cosmic blissful spaceflight and wrongly assumed I would get it from Eve. After 90 minutes I realised that without my preferred first-person view I wasn't going to find what I was looking for. No doubt Eve offers something else, but I'm just not looking for it.




Fair point well made.

He wasnt being exactly unwarented there man. You asked a question then said you dont care about what could very well be the answer.

STORYLINE - You dont have a windscreen or anything else to look at with your eyes.

MECHANICS - You cant see anything from a cockpit (which doesnt exist, see above) and there would be little point in looking out the window if there was one, since the zoomed out view is the only way to see everything going on around you.

Kinda like asking why they use lightsabers instead of samurai swords in SWTOR, but not being interested in storyline related replies..

I like to talk :D

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* There is NO cockpit view cause you are in a pod. Deep inside your ship and fly your ship cause it's hooked up to your brain through neural cables. Actually, you are already dead in the first place, which is why that space barbie is actually wrong.

* Walking in station is still a Work in progress. And to be honest, I don't care about it. If you want to play with digital barbies, there are other games, EVE is about spaceships.

* I don't know how you want to have 'dogfight' cockpit style stuff when the smallest frigate in EVE is the size of a Boeing 747, never see those things fly closely around each other either, maybe there is a reason for it.

* Cockpit also doesn't really work cause of 1 main reason. You do know that those models of spaceships are just made to make our eyes happy. The basic underlaying principle is that every ship is a sphere (small spheres for small ships, big spheres for big ships). Each of the spheres (aka ships) have a vector-velocity (for those who don't know about vector velocities, a vector has 3 things: an origin (which is the center of the sphere), a value (which is your speed) and a direction (the way the SPHERE - not your ship model - is moving).

If you align for a warp, as soon as the sphere has the right direction and value (aligned and warp speed threshold) it warps out, no matter the way the ship model is rendered. This is best seen with bigger ships, capitals can warp sideways or even backwards.

* And why does a pilot need to face what he is shooting, you do know that guns can be mounted on pivot points which lets them turn around (like in EVE AND in real life).

* Also why should EVE be like any other game. EVE is EVE, WoW is WoW, X-series is X-series. Each have their own type of game design, which works best for their type of game. If you want to play an X-series type of game, then X-series would be best, EVE is not like that game.

* As you can also argue about other stuff that 'could be used' or 'isn't right according to phyics' or what ever reason you think of. Point is CCP decided to make EVE like it is, which in the end worked very well (one of the few ever growing MMOs and also one of the older ones that is still active).

I'm a big fan of Egosoft's X space-flight games, and it goes without saying that the best way to enjoy exploring space is with a first-person (or cockpit) view.

But for some reason Eve Online does't allow this. Instead we have to zoom-out of the third-person view of our ship in an attempt to immerse ourselves in the scenery. But this doesn't help, as the engine noises get quieter and you lose the visual-connection with your own ship, meaning you can't fly your ship immersively.


I'm not interested in story reasons, like ships don't have cockpits, camera drones and the like, I'm interested in the aesthetic and technical reasons why an option to offer a first-person view hasn't been implemented.


It's a deal-breaker for me. I won't be extending my trial because of it.

3. You may not care about the lore or "storyline" reasons... CCP (the company that owns EVE) does. It's their game and their fantasy.

4. Actual technical reasons for this are pretty simple: they consciously never included it because it didn't jive with their lore.

In EvE you are not in a cockpit. You are in a pod full of goo.

EvE is more systems management than first person twitch shooter.

Your pod is a vessel, protecting you from dangers of space. (Escape pod.)

When your in a ship you are not in your pod as well. So wanting a first person view just for the thrills would be neat.

There is no need for first person input control, it would be all the same... You would only need to change it should you wish to create real time response input for joystick. Else you could still click as in normal because its just a view-port. You just wouldn't be able to spin around your ship and click in any direction at space.

Whoever necro'd this thread should be shot (in game).

To op: I feel your pain, but Eve is such a deep game that it takes a long time to experience everything. I recommend you give it a good try, like a few months, and join a corp - it's not a single player game - the fun comes from flying with other pilots.

However, if you really are set on playing something like the X series, Elite:Dangerous needs help getting off the ground so check it out on kickstarter.

AC.

That would be: Hottspitta jR


Happy hunting.

I found this thread through one of the front pages, I didn't search for it. Go ahead and kill me; make my day. Lolz

It never gets any easier being the litter control agent!

*Chambers a round while a tear falls down cheek*

In EvE you are not in a cockpit. You are in a pod full of goo.

EvE is more systems management than first person twitch shooter.

if youre not interested then stop posting here and GTFO