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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.01 01:42:00 -
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I duelled a corpmate, both in assault frigates, and considering I would never break his shields before my own cap was long gone, he finally tole me: 'get yourself one of those Gistii-A shieldbossters'.
Those modules (there are many other examples I guess), are just TOO GOOD.
I like games where the pilot skills are involved, not who has uber gear.
I think haves and have not policy is wrong.
More, many people who dare to bring expensive gear in combat (excepted that brave pilot who lost a faction Raven full of faction mods) won't take any chance and engage combat only in blobs or fighting someone they are sure they can beat.
This is bad for PvP.
And yes, I can afford such modules, it is not the point.
The point is that equipement should never give such an advantage that who has it wins.
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Fabricated Lies
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Posted - 2005.03.01 01:51:00 -
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imho, it's a moot point. sure for a the short time the few pilots are 'harder' to kill, but.. as time goes on and if more and more of the mods enter in to combat, things will even out.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.03.01 01:54:00 -
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Hmm.. I'm going to disagree with you.
For example the gisti shield booster your were talking about ushally costs about 3X what an assult frig costs.
Assuming your not talking about moduals such as prototype rails, and other such top end named items, and only about faction/officer/gisti etc stuff. I would say these moduals are far to common.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.03.01 02:09:00 -
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Small Gistii sb's are more shield per cap then XL sb's, so yes they are unbalanced.
Not to mention that complex armor repairers never seem to drop.
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EtherealPain
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Posted - 2005.03.01 02:39:00 -
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hey! i JUST got my gistii sb, dont go calling for a nerf on it!
now im afraid to take my jaguar into battle... its worth roughly 65million....
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2005.03.01 04:17:00 -
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If you take my gistii SB away I will hunt you down. And I will pod you.
57 shield for 13 cap is just god like.
Every 2 seconds
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Posted - 2005.03.01 04:44:00 -
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not saying nerf it,but at least let the armour equivalent drop.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.03.01 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 01/03/2005 04:47:04
How is it unbalanced? The things are crazy rare arent they?
And they're supposed to be very cap efficient, they're the minmatar/angel version, while the pithi ones recharge alot more per second.
Can't take having shields actually decent compared to armor tanking can ya.  Regular armor reps are crazy efficient compared to regular shields.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.03.01 06:33:00 -
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ôCan't take having shields actually decent compared to armor tanking can ya. Regular armor reps are crazy efficient compared to regular shields.ö
Unless of course you passive shield tank which is the most efficient method of them all from a hit point/cap ratio point of view. It makes armor tanking look like a cap draining monster. 
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Atar
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Posted - 2005.03.01 06:36:00 -
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If they were a dime a dozen, i'd say but there not, rare eq is suposed to be very good and it is fine, trust me any tank can be broken.
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Seraph Demon
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Atar
any tank can be broken.
lol; "...just not by you"
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seraph Demon
Originally by: Atar
any tank can be broken.
lol; "...just not by you"
yay for trolls \o/
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
not saying nerf it,but at least let the armour equivalent drop.
Yes exactly. I've seen dozens of gistii sb's sold, has any complex armor reps been sold at all?
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Cracken
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:26:00 -
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too thread creator ever heard of nosferatu's nuff said.
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SLIM
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Posted - 2005.03.01 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Yes exactly. I've seen dozens of gistii sb's sold, has any complex armor reps been sold at all?
None to my knowledge. And gistii sb's are all too common 
Considering you can get them in safe space from complexes that are a joke, they're way too good. Uber rare frig loot should go where all the uber good stuff belongs (0.0). And I say this as a present empire agent and complex *****.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.03.01 08:21:00 -
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Good frig loot from a frig complex seems about right, but what doesnt seem right is when you bring a cruiser or bc into a cruiser/bc scale complex and get nothing really. Also the complexes are tiered in relationship to the level of space they reside within, with a natural progression of difficulty up the scale the further into low sec space it is, which also seems right. 4/10-5/10 complexes just dont seem like they are worth the effort, unless of course there is nothing better to do. Also, it would be nice if the other complexes dropped anything at all regularly beyond recycled class items. Couple of the overseer items and some of the assembled/rouge drone cans never have anything in them, even after the server restarts. Id say leave this alone and fix all the others personally. The shield transfer array is the most common drop from where these come from and the spawn is slow/unreliable, but it tends to drop something and its not always uber and sometimes nothing at all. Personally i think this is one of the complex styles they did get right all things considered.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2005.03.01 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Small Gistii sb's are more shield per cap then XL sb's, so yes they are unbalanced.
Not to mention that complex armor repairers never seem to drop.
Umm. Pretty much every shield booster in the game gives more shield per cap than an XL shield booster. This is on account of the fact that an XL shield booster has a 1:1 shield/cap ratio. Oh, it breaks even with a civilian shield booster for cap efficiency
That all said, its shield/sec recharge rate is pretty damn high for a small booster.
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2005.03.01 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
I think haves and have not policy is wrong.
And yes, I can afford such modules, it is not the point.
The point is that equipement should never give such an advantage that who has it wins.
Yay for communism.
Anyway, my problem isn't with the presence of these modules in the game, but rather with the absence of comparable armor repairers. I don't even use armor tanking-based ships, but I'm just thinking if I have this godly Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster on my Harpy, that Enyo over there has a right to, uh, I don't know, a Centii A-Type Small Armor Repair. But make them rare. And make sure their "rarity" isn't bugged like Gistii loot was not so long ago and you saw some people selling Gistii small shield boosters by the dozen on escrow, as well as Gistii MWDs and ABs.
I say if you can afford it, you're entitled to it. Such is capitalism. And EVE is ultra-capitalistic. Otherwise, and following your logic, you might as well remove all faction loot from the game, and kiss these sweet Dread Guristas missile launchers (et alii) goodbye. And then you can remove all named loot altogether! After all, why should that bastard in that Raven with 6*Arbalest Sieges be able to whack my Raven with 6*standard Sieges? Because he can ***** out 300+ million ISK on launchers alone? Wait -- yeah, it is because of that, actually! Makes perfect sense to me, honestly.
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.03.01 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lanu on 01/03/2005 09:23:33
I shot down a harpy with thorax. Thats nothing I know but the harpy had this fitted :
2005.02.05 13:15:00
Victim: Caecilius Seneca
Corporation: RONA-VORTEX
Destroyed Type: Harpy
Solar System: PF-346
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Lanu (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 4.3
Corporation: Millennium
Ship Type: Ogre I
Weapon Type: Ogre I
Destroyed items:
Type: 125mm Railgun II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 125mm Railgun II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Faint Warp Prohibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Uranium Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 50
Type: Uranium Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 50
Type: Uranium Charge S (Cargo)
Quantity: 4000
Type: Defender I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 10
Type: Phalanx Rocket I (Cargo)
Quantity: 1000
Type: 10MN Afterburner II (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Warp Core Stabilizer I (Cargo)
Quantity: 3
Type: ECM - Multispectral Jammer I (Cargo)
Quantity: 5
It wasn't too hard just drain his cap and stay shooting even when your going down.
I don't think this modules need a nerf they are fine as they are now. Very expensive but very good nothing wrong with that. Anybody who fits this stuff just wants the best for his ship nothing wrong with that right? Only problem I have with them is that they always get destroyed on the killmail and never end up as loot in my carghold .
( ps sorry if this post is too big due to the killmail )
boo
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.03.01 09:25:00 -
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Three ravens with 2m SP each and standard equip can easily take down a single Caldari Navy Raven with the best equipment in the game, worth 10+ billion, the price of 100 ravens.
'nuff said.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.03.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: EtherealPain
hey! i JUST got my gistii sb, dont go calling for a nerf on it!
now im afraid to take my jaguar into battle... its worth roughly 65million....
/me writes down EtherealPain as primary target for next engagement.
Muahahahahaha!
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EtherealPain
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Posted - 2005.03.01 20:09:00 -
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aye, that ye may, but im probly gonna be in something else, i only pull that out when i go up against an inty thats trying to find a home in pator <3 fernis or w/e his name is
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F4ze
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Three ravens with 2m SP each and standard equip can easily take down a single Caldari Navy Raven with the best equipment in the game, worth 10+ billion, the price of 100 ravens.
'nuff said.
Not if the Navy Raven is flown by a veteran pilot with lots of skillpoints (which I assume is almost always the case).
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:24:00 -
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I fought one, dont expect em to go down easy lol.
It would prolly take 3 stock ravens.
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.02 04:42:00 -
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Well as I can see, many people want to win, no matter how.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel no pride killing someone who doesn't stand the same chances as me. That's no victory. I'd feel like cheating.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I value honor above victory.
I honestly don't understand bragging about killing and podding a newbie, for example.
I used to play chess for years, and remember defeats after a tough and creative game, while I can't remember victories because my opponent had made a dumb move.
The only thing you can win, if ever, is respect.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.03.02 07:32:00 -
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The majority of this game appears to be the preperation of the even and the buildup towards it, whether it is active agression or not. This game much like other table top strategy games, would seem like most of the fight is decided before the pieces are placed, provided both participants are equally competent. The equipment issue is that of preperation, which is largely done solo. I am not sure how this fits into what you are looking for from an encounter, but im fairly positive that what i described would accuratly describe most of them.
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.03.02 07:44:00 -
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In large scale combat, loadouts, pilot sps etc are far less important than individual ability, and the tactical and strategic prowess of the commander.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.02 08:08:00 -
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killed jaguar with gisti sb in my enyo...so nothing special there
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Chadawahee
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Posted - 2005.03.02 08:36:00 -
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i think when you buy a mod for 60milion (yes, gistii sb's are worth that nowadays) then you deserve a better defence then others. mind that this is the best sb ingame !
also i think its a good thing that non-pvp fighters who are in empire finaly can make some decent money with what they like to do. e.g. selling loot from complexes, lvl 4 missions
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.02 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chadawahee
also i think its a good thing that non-pvp fighters who are in empire finaly can make some decent money with what they like to do. e.g. selling loot from complexes, lvl 4 missions
thats a stupid argument imo
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