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dexington
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Posted - 2011.08.18 07:51:00 -
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Nothing illegal in reading the cache files.
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dexington
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Posted - 2011.08.18 08:04:00 -
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 Originally by: malaire
Originally by: dexington
Nothing illegal in reading the cache files.
Just reading cache files isn't the problem. But when combined with javascript which automatically adds new information to cache without player being present on computer - that is a problem.
As long as the player is the one updating the market orders it's okay.
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dexington
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Posted - 2011.08.18 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: malaire
I'm programmer also, and I could easily take advantage of this javascript-botting. But that feels like unfair advantage, since other traders can't take advantage of it.
You don't need to be a developer to automate the process of monitoring market orders, just use the software that is freely available in the internet.
What is next?, banning of people who use spreadsheets to calculate production costs and profits, because it's unfair to the people who don't know how to do it or are just to lazy to use them.
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dexington
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Posted - 2011.08.18 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
We're going to be discussing what constitutes a bot and what doesn't in an upcoming devblog to clear up any ambiguity. I will note as a word of caution that we provide the API as a gateway to obtain the information we want you to be obtaining and that this is not the purpose of any of the files which are delivered as a part of the client.
Are you saying that we are not allowed to use the log files and exported cvs data?, better remove the options before someone starts exploiting them :)
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dexington
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Marchocias
He clearly makes the point that javascript COULD be used to create bots. The implication is that this is a reason to ban Mentat. My irrefutable point, is that IF this is a reason to ban Mentat then it is also a reason to ban anything using javascript in the IGB.
You can't create a eve bot using java script, the in-game browser allows you to open windows with arguments. The reason it's useful for Mentat, is because opening the market windows and loading the market data for a specific item is going to refresh the local cache files. You can add all the items you are selling to the quick menu and do the same by hand in minutes, it's really not a huge deal.
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dexington
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: malaire
You can create bot which automatically, without user being present, continually updates the cache files.
That's not a bot, it's nothing more then a loop that loads data in the market window.
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dexington
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: malaire
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: malaire
You can create bot which automatically, without user being present, continually updates the cache files.
That's not a bot, it's nothing more then a loop that loads data in the market window.
What then is bot by your defition?
If someone implements travel bot as simple loop (using external program to handle clicking), would you say that it is not bot since it is simple loop?
What you are proposing would be the same as if the program would be able to modify orders based on the data it collects, as long as you are forced to modify the orders yourself then there is nothing illegal going on.
1) It's not illegal to make a loop the loops your market orders.
2) It's not illegal to read the cache files.
Why would it be illegal to combine 1 and 2 and make good use if the data you collect?
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