Does ganking a miner even need a reason? Does it even need to be justified?

If it's fun, then just say it is fun and have done with it.

And if the prices go low enough miners will either have to accept it or get off their fatasses and do something about it. (reporting, ganking whatever)

Most of what occurs in Eve is self-levelling.

Minerals get cheaper, ganking (or any PvP for that matter) gets cheaper, more of it happens and prices go back up. A beautiful thing imho.

I really think we worry to much about trying to inject regulation or whines about game play styles to get things changed when in reality, they'll change themselves given enough time.

why don't the 6k of you could create destroyer alts and just kill every thing in high sec. little schools of piranhas devouring the miners. aren't you guys the super villains in this particular universe? i'm terribly disappointed that you're down to forum posts. entertain me mr. player content!

You can still gank mining vessels, it just requires the ganker to invest more money into a successful gank.

I like mining. I'd go as far as saying its my main playstyle at the moment.

The thought of logging in to play sickly deer for some coward pvp wannabes is terrible. You gankers are just incapable of seeing this from the other side. You would destroy the game just so you can shoot ships that can't fight back. Pathetic.

There were too many gankers is all. It was unbalanced. So it got nerfed like ALWAYS happens when things get unbalanced. Effective gankers have already moved on to freighters. If that gets out of control, it will get nerfed too. You are living in the past, move on already.

So many miners in this thread gloating that the gankers can no longer kill them

I hope they come back to gloat in a few months when they have pushed trit prices through the floor

why don't you and your buddies stop whining and bring out a destroyer fleet? can you seriously not get 5 or 6 goons in destroyers together to do some ganking of miners? can a 6k man alliance not put together 250 destroyer alts? have the goons been neutered by a simple EHP buff? is that all it took to turn you guys into whiny babies? where the **** is your emergent gameplay?

so basically, you're whining that the resource you were farming isn't as profitable as it once was. has it really come to this? i thought you guys were the best and brightest villains in eve. has the idea well been tapped out? with 6k of you, it shouldn't be hard for you to get together a massive noob ship blob. you could do it with trial accounts. even buying fittings for it would be a rounding error in your null sec pilots' wallets.

put your numbers to work. your high sec pve got nerfed. get over it. i'm pretty sure that's what goons tell the rest of us.

They are? Hey Baltec: did I miss the memo that you guys were the villains while I was un-subbed or something?

So with that out of the way: I still don't get why gankers are still complaining about the mining buff, the same way I don't get why miners complain about suicide ganking. There are tons of threads in which gankers tell miners to quit whining and tank their barges, in order to adapt to the conditions that are set by the game. And rightly so. In return the gankers must also accept that they have to adapt to the new conditions, by either using bigger and better fit ships, roaming in larger gangs, looking for other targets, or just starting a new pasttime. Eve offers so many fun things to do, but sometimes when you look at the GD-forums it seems like mining and ganking miners are the only activities people care about.

I think I see what this is all about. You really liked your Skiff, didn't you. This ENTIRE Ice Interdiction, Freighter Ganking and even HULKAGEDDON is all because of Skiff!

... You... you... VILLAIN!!

I don't underestimate the logistics of it. Step 1: Create trial account Step2: Log in and create character Step 3: Undock. Step 4: Get into fleet Step 5: Gank en masse. See? That isn't even remotely hard. It's also free.

WTF has happened to you guys? Do you need help? Are you seriously telling me you don't have the wherewithal to put together a stack of 10 destroyers and fittings each in Jita or another hub? Is all that sov space pve income not enough to cover 50 to 75 million isk in expenses per pilot? You are sad sad men. Your entire alliance should feel bad.

I have a stack of 100 catalysts and 100 thrashers with basic gank fits taken from the hulkageddon ganker instructions. If you can get 100 pilots to form up, I'll arm you, since the Goons are so freaking uncoordinated (srsly. I. Cannot. Believe. How. Wimpy. You. Have. Become.). A simple contract exchange for a reasonable price. Then you run a barracuda fleet into an ice system, 10 ships per mack and kill as many as you can before you burn through the stack of ships.

get your balls out of your wife's purse already.

Mate. For all the faffing about on this. In RL we do not go around blowing up oil-tankers or oil-rigs to increase prices. Period.

Funny how it's "not RL" when you justify the ganks but you use RL economic theory to do so.

And my point is made exaclty. The change in prices was temporary. Period.

BUT, and this is my point, the anger/anghst/whine whatever you want to call it over the interdiction bought about an EXTERNAL force to circumvent it.

Why? Because the impact to the game and the players (in this, a VR world) was seriously causing a problem. CCP saw it for what it was and "fixed it".

We cannot call "God" in RL when things go bad and to be perfectly honest CCP played "God" to fix the problem. Whether I or you or anyone else agrees is irrelevant.

>> CCP's RL economic reality required a fix. And so it came to be.

Bring back manic ganking again and it'll simply happen again.

I stand by all this talk about gank, not gank to manipulate prices is purely faffing.

You have to come up with another way.

Not blind hatred, sure ganking a freighter full of doodoo is one thing but to blanket target miners because as we all know every single mining barge is a bot is stupidity, there's this obsession with hating miners its the reason CCP had to intervene and buff the ships why is it we should all fly around a$$ grabbing each other all the time around every corner is beyond me, i mean if blowing up everything in sight is all that you want there's 0.0 and dull sec, low sec, WH, FW, all the a$$ grabbing you want empire is only a small part of eve...WTF more do you want.

Not this old argument again. sigh...

I don't recall CCP sending out an email to remind the miners of this point.

I don't recall the email where CCP told all the miners to HTFU.

I do recall it causing a LOT of anger and it DID cause unsubs (that's why CCP reacted - it's the ONLY reason they would.

I do recall your whingy/whiney/moan that you're doing the miners a favour.

Oh wait. You're STILL doing it.....

And you reckon the MINERS haven't learned anything. Sheesh Baltec. Just sheesh!

Deal with it.

I'm completely confused why non-miners and presumably non-industrialists are bothered about ore prices being too low.

Doesn't that actually make their gameplay easier?

Why would anyone ASK for ways to make stuff more expensive? It defies logic.

Or how about the 1.70 or so wasn't it that it cratered to back around '08-'09 time frame?