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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:20:00 -
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POST HERE EVERY TIME YOU DIED BECAUSE OF AN AFK CLOAKER. LET'S TRY TO GET SOME STATISTICS TOGETHER.
The correct term is REMOTE PEBCAK CLOAKING but you may not realise this.
Time to see just how big of an issue this really is.
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Demonic Sentiment
Caldari
Dissonance Corp
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Demonic Sentiment on 19/08/2011 07:32:19
How do you die to an afk cloaker... If they are afk...
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Jeffree Star
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:32:00 -
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Cannot tell if trolling... or just stupid. 
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Jeffree Star
Cannot tell if trolling... or just stupid.
Big green and yellow letters?... really can't decide myself, actually. |
Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:35:00 -
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I think the op is trying to be sarcastic in that afk cloakers are no threat to anyone but botters who infinitely log out due to a non blue in local.
I think.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:38:00 -
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I have played for quite a number of years now, and I have died a fair bit.
But, you know, looking back I can't remember ever being killed by an AFK cloaker. In fact, I dont think I can ever recall anyone I know being killed by an AFK cloaker.
Its wierd, because there are so many threads with people crying about how dangerous they are....
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Signal11th on 19/08/2011 07:52:00
Yep after spending a long time in 0.0 I can confirm I never heard of anyone getting tackled let alone killed by a AFK cloaker. In fact with all these whining threads I'm tempted to do it just to pish people off.
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:53:00 -
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One time way back when, I was prowling Period Basis in a Thorax killin spawns and lootin loots. I'd safe and cloak whenever anyone entered my system.
But one day I did this, then later uncloaked and decided to go back to Empire with my loots. And I died in a gatecamp inexplicably set up in the next system. It was as if they were waiting for me. Tobias Sjodin was in it.
So I died from afk cloakin 
I guess.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.19 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru
I have played for quite a number of years now, and I have died a fair bit.
But, you know, looking back I can't remember ever being killed by an AFK cloaker. In fact, I dont think I can ever recall anyone I know being killed by an AFK cloaker.
Its wierd, because there are so many threads with people crying about how dangerous they are....
Ya I been playing for six years I just found out how it works and what it is. Never even heard of it until now, which is why I'm suprised that their is something in the game which apperantly is very lethal that I'm not aware of.
I mean I'm not sure about you guys but I don't see how a cloaker has a chance in hell in poping me in any of my ships that I would rat with or do low sec or null sec missions or anything. I mean strictly speaking cloaked ships, even stealth bombers don't have the DPS to kill any of my ships alone. Maybe a group of them but even that I doubt. Which is why I found it odd that a lone cloaker would be much of a threat alone. I'm still trying to figuire out exactly how this is a threat to anyone except perhaps newbs.
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
I have played for quite a number of years now, and I have died a fair bit.
But, you know, looking back I can't remember ever being killed by an AFK cloaker. In fact, I dont think I can ever recall anyone I know being killed by an AFK cloaker.
Its wierd, because there are so many threads with people crying about how dangerous they are....
Ya I been playing for six years I just found out how it works and what it is. Never even heard of it until now, which is why I'm suprised that their is something in the game which apperantly is very lethal that I'm not aware of.
I mean I'm not sure about you guys but I don't see how a cloaker has a chance in hell in poping me in any of my ships that I would rat with or do low sec or null sec missions or anything. I mean strictly speaking cloaked ships, even stealth bombers don't have the DPS to kill any of my ships alone. Maybe a group of them but even that I doubt. Which is why I found it odd that a lone cloaker would be much of a threat alone. I'm still trying to figuire out exactly how this is a threat to anyone except perhaps newbs.
People try to wrap it up in many guises but basically people moan about "cloakers" because it stops them ratting and carebearing it up in 0.0.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:20:00 -
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Some people need to realise that an AFK cloaker may very well un-AFK at any given moment and get some easy kills. What's stop them? They could un-cloak and run a few quick D-scans.
Some don't uncloak, and simply do it to cause grief or stop bots (?)
You never know whether an AFK cloaker is a danger or not! 
AFK cloaking's mechanics should be changed. They most likely will during the 0.0 changes.
IMO, cloaking is fine, but there could be an automatic decloak after 10-30mins, which can be re-enabled before the cycle even ends by clicking the module.
Some players may use an automated macro to get around this, but I don't think griefers will want to break the rules 
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Some people need to realise that an AFK cloaker may very well un-AFK at any given moment and get some easy kills. What's stop them? They could un-cloak and run a few quick D-scans.
Some don't uncloak, and simply do it to cause grief or stop bots (?)
You never know whether an AFK cloaker is a danger or not!
AFK cloaking's mechanics should be changed. They most likely will during the 0.0 changes.
IMO, cloaking is fine, but there could be an automatic decloak after 10-30mins, which can be re-enabled before the cycle even ends by clicking the module.
Some players may use an automated macro to get around this, but I don't think griefers will want to break the rules
Also, I feel bad for posting my opinions and ideas in a troll thread
I understand your pain but you actually make a valid point. every 15/30mins the cloak disenages. Easy enough to turn back on if your actually playing the game. |
Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Some people need to realise that an AFK cloaker may very well un-AFK at any given moment and get some easy kills. What's stop them? They could un-cloak and run a few quick D-scans.
Some don't uncloak, and simply do it to cause grief or stop bots (?)
You never know whether an AFK cloaker is a danger or not!
AFK cloaking's mechanics should be changed. They most likely will during the 0.0 changes.
IMO, cloaking is fine, but there could be an automatic decloak after 10-30mins, which can be re-enabled before the cycle even ends by clicking the module.
Some players may use an automated macro to get around this, but I don't think griefers will want to break the rules
Also, I feel bad for posting my opinions and ideas in a troll thread
Ooh I just thought of a great application for macroing re-cloaking. Look at me I'm as clever as other bot miners!
ya no...
Its simple, if their is an AFK cloaker in the system and you don't have the skills or friends to defend against it, move on to another system. That is what you have to do to survive as a newbie unable to fend for himself out in low sec and 0.0.
I have to side with the cloakers on this one. Given that its so easy to circumvent (just go to another system) or (make sure you can tank one), I don't really see a problem with it at all. If their is a in game way to solve your problem, thats where the problem should be solved. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:34:00 -
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Does this count?
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.
1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)
2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D
This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.
You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.
1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)
2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D
This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.
You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D
I don't understand this, which is a pity - I wish I did!
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AFK Cloaker
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:58:00 -
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:59:00 -
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AFK cloaker fanboiz love it because they can just put an alt in a system for 10 hours, cloaked and ready to strike, then get on with playing on theirs mains, or posting on the forums about how AFK cloaking is harmless.
Have you tried starting a mining corp just to gank everybody who joins? That too is awesome. |
Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
...This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.
You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D
Feel free to post any concrete examples rather than theory.
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose
AFK cloaker fanboiz love it because they can just put an alt in a system for 10 hours, cloaked and ready to strike, then get on with playing on theirs mains, or posting on the forums about how AFK cloaking is harmless.
Have you tried starting a mining corp just to gank everybody who joins? That too is awesome.
This is eve.
Nothing is supposed to be fair.
Though the nullsec fanboiz all cry emo tears when some harmless afk cloaker only out to have a bit of lulz by disrupting an entire system sits at a safe doing absolutely nothing at all as the main carries on with the normal daily chores.
Does an afk cloaker sometimes turn out to be a cyno equiped front man? Sure. But thats pretty damn rare and no one ever falls for it.
Meh, 99.9999999% of the rage is from bot users who can't adapt to the mechanic.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Feel free to post any concrete examples rather than theory.
you want to gather some tears? do it yourself 
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.
1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)
2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D
This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.
You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D
I get what your saying and I think their is a lot of truth to it, but really at the heart of the issue is that people in Eve often try to simplify ops down to the laziest, simplest and most effective way to generate the most income. Anything that requires active participation becomes a burden to them and is written off as not worth it because the ISK earning is not maximized as a result of complicating the operation a bit. Most of the issues your talking about can be solved by involving a friend or two and creating operations that rely on more than just "I hope you we don't get attacked".
In Eve you have to be smart and I agree that flying a cloaked ship is a huge advantage that allows you to expose the weaknesses of other operations going on and offers a relative safety.. that is until you unlcoak at which point it becomes painfully obvious (to anyone that flys a cloaked ship) that while not cloaked you are extremly vulnerable. Cloaked ships are paper thin and their is not a whole lot that can be done to change that fact. A cloaked ship that decloaks in your system has played its hand, at which point its time to play yours. The problem with most of these mining operations and mission running ops is that these players have no plan in place. Their entire operation is formed on the basis of "hope no one jumps in the system".
If you go into it with the assumption that "WE WILL GET ATTACKED" and formulate a proper plane to deal with it, your odds of coming out on top are extremly good, in particular to lone wolf cloakers.
Again the problem here is laziness, people just aren't willing to put up the proper operational efforts to ensure that their ops aren't so easy to disrupt. Most of that laziness comes in the form of "I don't want to PvP" aka the carebear syndrome and for that their is no cure because in low sec and null sec you are in a place where you WILL PvP like it or not. IF you don't want to PvP, don't go to low and null sec, its that simple. If you go their you have to be ready to fight for your right to be their.
That is the founding principle of low sec and null sec, fighting for your right to be their. Its not a right you deserve, its one you earn through fighting.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose
AFK cloaker fanboiz love it because they can just put an alt in a system for 10 hours, cloaked and ready to strike, then get on with playing on theirs mains, or posting on the forums about how AFK cloaking is harmless.
Have you tried starting a mining corp just to gank everybody who joins? That too is awesome.
The secret to dealing with AFK cloakers is to grow a spine.
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Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.
1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)
2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D
This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.
You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D
I think you don't know what "AFK" means.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Feel free to post any concrete examples rather than theory.
you want to gather some tears? do it yourself
This is an intel gathering thread. My statistics alone are not going to prove anything.
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Cynoska McNamara
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Adrie Atticus
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.
1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)
2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D
This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.
You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D
I think you don't know what "AFK" means.
I think he/she knows. When 2 SB stay for a week in system cloaked AFK.. then decide to attack an hulk and destroy it.. how I could call them? Clock Bomb Cloakers?
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:55:00 -
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If it's so harmless, so without danger, so unthreatening, so useless, why are so many people doing it?
Where do those cynos come from?
Why is that intel fed back?
Why is there no counter? (derp, cry whine, yes there is cry whine. No, no there is not)
Why are so many people doing this thing, that has no inherent danger for those they do it to?
Oh that's right, I just shot your entire ridiculous theory right in the balls. You know exactly why you're doing it and what it would mean if CCP ever had the idea to stop you. But since they never have, don't you think you should just be worrying less about AFK CCP nerfers?
They're not out to get you, they are just out to nerf things that are bad, they are no threat to you if they are afk and nerfing other things.
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose
If it's so harmless, so without danger, so unthreatening, so useless, why are so many people doing it?
To collect your golden forum tears of course.
That and the fact that it drives botters into a shaking spit slinging rage when they come home to zero isk farmed.
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Marchocias
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Posted - 2011.08.19 10:00:00 -
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The only time ANYONE dies is because of AFK cloaking... haven't you heard?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.19 10:06:00 -
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Stupid troll thread full of stupid posters.
Yes, no one dies to AFK cloaking, but at one time the cloaker will decloak, usually when a friendly gang to him is nearby so he can grab a worthwile target, or he is flying force recon ship, quickly engaging a non-pvp ship, then cloaking again.
There are tactics against cloaking but most of them require having a force on standby to deal with the cloaker, or rather his friends. Yes it can be done, but the problem is, the cloaking requires zero effort from the cloaker but keeping a friendly fleet on standby for an indefinate period will exhaust and frustrate them without firing a single shot.
At least some countermeasures will have to be put ingame, at least so much that a cloaker can never really stay afk for a long time.
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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.19 10:11:00 -
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Please stay on topic people. There are plenty of whine threads to discuss theory in. This thread is for evidence indicating just how often this happens. I do not want to have to stary reporting all the off topic posters that can't undertsand this.
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.08.19 10:18:00 -
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No one is answering your question because they are all docked up raging at the ebil afk cloakers.
So in effect there are little to no kills from them.
Also do you know whats really fun?
Afk cloaking in your sb then once everyone logs or docks up you rat in their belts.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.19 10:33:00 -
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But... That's almost like you are in control of their space, in your frig!
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Stupid troll thread full of stupid posters.
Yes, no one dies to AFK cloaking, but at one time the cloaker will decloak, usually when a friendly gang to him is nearby so he can grab a worthwile target, or he is flying force recon ship, quickly engaging a non-pvp ship, then cloaking again.
There are tactics against cloaking but most of them require having a force on standby to deal with the cloaker, or rather his friends. Yes it can be done, but the problem is, the cloaking requires zero effort from the cloaker but keeping a friendly fleet on standby for an indefinate period will exhaust and frustrate them without firing a single shot.
At least some countermeasures will have to be put ingame, at least so much that a cloaker can never really stay afk for a long time.
You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.
You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!
You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.
See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.
You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:15:00 -
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I think the OP is afraid of possible danger. Since u often do not know what ship the afk cloaker is in u cant expect anything. Try after dt to log on and watch him log on, hit directional scan and u prob get his ship type. just get a falcon alt or something, or if its a bomber a sb'd arazu alt or cynojam the system, now your completly safe again.
ps: L4 missions in empire might be more something for u, u can bear all u want in totaly safyness, netting a 40-45 mil isk per hour!!
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 11:29:24
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
[2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
This happened fairly recently in my wormhole... there was a stealth bomber in our hole looking for prey, as stealth bombers hiding in wormholes tend to do. My besto warps to a customs center, as soon as warp drops I'm starting warp to the next center. Transfer goods as the red flashes on my overview and >BOOM< as the first torpedo hits, taking me a good third of the way through armor.
Warp engages while the second torp is in the air.
Oh, hey, look! Didnt' waste time sitting idle in space, had the bestower tanked. Helpful hint... your hauler only needs enough cargo space to carry what you need to carry... the rest is wasted.
Cloaked vessels don't kill people, they just finish the job that your own stupid already started.
As far as "staying on topic"... I haven't been popped by an afk stealth bomber to date.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 11:29:24
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
[2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
This happened fairly recently in my wormhole... there was a stealth bomber in our hole looking for prey, as stealth bombers hiding in wormholes tend to do. My besto warps to a customs center, as soon as warp drops I'm starting warp to the next center. Transfer goods as the red flashes on my overview and >BOOM< as the first torpedo hits, taking me a good third of the way through armor.
Warp engages while the second torp is in the air.
Oh, hey, look! Didnt' waste time sitting idle in space, had the bestower tanked. Helpful hint... your hauler only needs enough cargo space to carry what you need to carry... the rest is wasted.
Cloaked vessels don't kill people, they just finish the job that your own stupid already started.
As far as "staying on topic"... I haven't been popped by an afk stealth bomber to date.
Can I get an Amen on this one please. For the love of god. Something so simple made so complicated.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat
You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.
You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!
You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.
See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.
You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.
Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.
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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:44:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Thornat
You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.
You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!
You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.
See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.
You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.
Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.
Isnt that premise the whole argument for guerilla wars or terrorists? A samll number or single person can cause tons of disruption to a larger entity?
Basically if I was afking in a system and they perchance offered me an incentive to move on I might take them up on the offer. Could actually see it as a nice little way of earning isk so in fact you could call "system disruption services" a valid job in the EVE world.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:44:00 -
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Ceelah
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Posted - 2011.08.19 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ceelah on 19/08/2011 11:56:21
Anyone ever hear of the "U-Boat"? Carried torpedoes. Submerged so no one could see it. Used a lot of patience and wolfpack tactics to sneak up on helpless prey and then sink it. Very vulnerable once found on the surface. Lots of bang but made of glass.
Sound familiar? In EVE we call them stealth bombers and recons.
I've died to cloakie ships, and I've killed people using them. I've also died while using them. It's a legitimate part of the game that people use well. Get over it. Stop whining. Just because you haven't figured out that undocking to carebear with a neut in local is a bad idea doesn't mean the game is broken or someone is cheating.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.19 12:07:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Thornat
You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.
You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!
You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.
See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.
You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.
Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.
Ya but thats the thing about Eve, you don't get to choose your tactical situations, you can only choose to be prepared. How much effort it takes compared to a lazy cloaker is irrelevant and a cloaker is by no means the only type of operation that will work against you. Mine in low sec for an hour and you will have all sorts of people knocking on your door if your out their in a hulk alone.
The point here is that their is no such thing as effort free operations that have any level of success. That cloaker will get zero kills and zero oppertunities if every mining operation is protected as his whole strategy is basically find unprepared people and exploit them.. which is practically the theme song for PvP and all the tears on this forum of carebears getting poped are the result of people basically taking the lazy route and ensuring they are victims long before they ever start mining.
In Eve preperation is the key, it doesn't matter what other people are doing, it only matters what your doing and your success and failure to be prepared will directly effect wether or not you will be successful.
Its worth pointing out as well that this cloaker will never make any isk when facing preped ops while as a miner working in low sec in a preped group you will make ISK hand over foot. Risk vs. Reward functioning exactly as it should.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.08.19 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tokyo Rose
I think the op is trying to be sarcastic in that afk cloakers are no threat to anyone but botters who infinitely log out due to a non blue in local.
I think.
We can only hope.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.19 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 12:35:52
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 12:35:25
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
[2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
This happened fairly recently in my wormhole... there was a stealth bomber in our hole looking for prey, as stealth bombers hiding in wormholes tend to do. My besto warps to a customs center, as soon as warp drops I'm starting warp to the next center. Transfer goods as the red flashes on my overview and >BOOM< as the first torpedo hits, taking me a good third of the way through armor.
Warp engages while the second torp is in the air.
you are lucker he didn't use scram over you. How your story will be then?
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Oh, hey, look! Didnt' waste time sitting idle in space
reasonable. Depends of PI you do.
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
had the bestower tanked. Helpful hint... your hauler only needs enough cargo space to carry what you need to carry... the rest is wasted.
You forgot one more hint: do 1 planet a time so you need to haul only 1m3.
(my 5 planets need hauling 12-13k m3 for 1 time)
However tank is really useful.
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Cloaked vessels don't kill people, they just finish the job that your own stupid already started.
As far as "staying on topic"... I haven't been popped by an afk stealth bomber to date.
fully agree.
Once i passed good gate camp in my rifter. The gate camp was with ceptors and dictors. But i got out succesfully. Result: remove t3's from the game. They are simply not needed. Any ships can pass any gate camp.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.19 12:45:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
you are lucker he didn't use scram over you. How your story will be then?
Hard to say... I shield tank and have a pair of stabilizers. The SB's I've read about and seen in practice seem to like to stay outside scram range anyhow, but you never know. If they try hard enough to earn the kill, odds are in time they will, and hats off to 'em.
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
reasonable. Depends of PI you do.
Four planets produce P1 goods that are transported to a fifth for further processing. So, planets I thru IV, arrive, initiate next warp, open hangar, drag-and-drop, warp off.
Planet V, arrive, initate next warp, open hangar, grab processed goods, drop off P1, warp. With your cargo stacked nicely prior to arrival you can do that rather quickly.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2011.08.19 12:56:00 -
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I've never died to an afk cloaker. Still I think the perfect solution is to make cloaks use fuel.....
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:07:00 -
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This whole topic is a waste of time.
We had a AFK cloaker who sat in system for about a week or so.
After awhile of not being able to do anything about them, other then watch them sit there.
Obviously we shifted systems 
The end fix was for some of my corpies to go find the offenders alliance and start taking out there industrials.
When the alliance asked why we where going after them we told them about the cloaker that had been sitting in our space just being an A-hole.
Shortly after that he left the a alliance said he wasn't authorized for that action and it won't happen again.
The point being there was nothing we could do to the person that was afking.
And that is the problem with afk cloaking.
It is just a lame tactic, and it is abusing a game mechanic.
I could care less if the person decloaks, I want a chance to find and kill the them.
Person sitting afk for 8 hours and they can't be found, that is just a messed up mechanic.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:26:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
you are lucker he didn't use scram over you. How your story will be then?
Hard to say... I shield tank and have a pair of stabilizers.
respect.
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Four planets produce P1 goods that are transported to a fifth for further processing. So, planets I thru IV, arrive, initiate next warp, open hangar, drag-and-drop, warp off.
Planet V, arrive, initate next warp, open hangar, grab processed goods, drop off P1, warp. With your cargo stacked nicely prior to arrival you can do that rather quickly.
well. You have like 7-10 seconds to warp. Will try next time to move stuff so quickly. However i have 5 planets like your fifth.  It would be klicking hell.
Other problem (you missed here) - volume. As i said: i need like 11-13k m3. Not sure i can drop lows for stabs....
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:27:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Signal11th on 19/08/2011 13:28:35
Originally by: Simetraz
This whole topic is a waste of time.
We had a AFK cloaker who sat in system for about a week or so.
After awhile of not being able to do anything about them, other then watch them sit there.
Obviously we shifted systems
The end fix was for some of my corpies to go find the offenders alliance and start taking out there industrials.
When the alliance asked why we where going after them we told them about the cloaker that had been sitting in our space just being an A-hole.
Shortly after that he left the a alliance said he wasn't authorized for that action and it won't happen again.
The point being there was nothing we could do to the person that was afking.
And that is the problem with afk cloaking.
It is just a lame tactic, and it is abusing a game mechanic.
You say at the bottom of you post there was nothing you could do about it but in the middle you spoke about how you sorted it by attacking the chap's alliance? Sounds like yout beat the afker to me?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 13:27:45
Originally by: Simetraz
This whole topic is a waste of time.
We had a AFK cloaker who sat in system for about a week or so.
After awhile of not being able to do anything about them, other then watch them sit there.
Obviously we shifted systems
The end fix was for some of my corpies to go find the offenders alliance and start taking out there industrials.
When the alliance asked why we where going after them we told them about the cloaker that had been sitting in our space just being an A-hole.
Shortly after that he left the a alliance said he wasn't authorized for that action and it won't happen again.
The point being there was nothing we could do to the person that was afking.And that is the problem with afk cloaking...
What the hell? You took the iniative and solved the problem like men, then follow that up by whining there's nothing you could do like a group of nutless wonders? Wake up, you DID SOMETHING, and it worked! Yeah, you had to actively solve the problem instead of having a mechanic solve it for you. I say look down between your legs... those are balls, and you used them. Don't come here and whine about doing it right.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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Timeto Die
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:28:00 -
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I'm always getting mildy annoyed by a high sec cloakers in Jita every night.
I saw local go to 1256 from 1255 and tried to look for him, but couldn't find him, so assume he must have been AFK and cloaked.
No. Wait 1257.
No ... 1254.
Damn these cloakers.
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Eve is Hotel Bastardo.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:35:00 -
[52]
I think we can conclude thus far that death to AFK cloakers is not anything like the reality these cowards like to portray. The issue seems to be with liars making up nonsense to support their desires.
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I think we can conclude thus far that death to AFK cloakers is not anything like the reality these cowards like to portray. The issue seems to be with liars making up nonsense to support their desires.
Shame it took 53 posts to point out the obvious.
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Signal11th
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I think we can conclude thus far that death to AFK cloakers is not anything like the reality these cowards like to portray. The issue seems to be with liars making up nonsense to support their desires.
Shame it took 53 posts to point out the obvious.
And not a single logic was used that day.
You don't die to the cloaker, you die to what the cloaker green lights.
As well the OP knows. But the OP is an alt of the usual crowd of alts who crap up the forums, as well CCP know, but they won't do **** about that either.
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:47:00 -
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Rat in packs of 5 or more.
You'll find afk cloaker give up wasting their accounts on no free solo raven gank
MMO guys, numbers win guys, no one cares about individuals padded their wallets.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 13:49:00 -
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Cry all you like, the cloaker has to be there to bring in the 'green light'. no one here has been able to actually prove a situation where an afk cloaker has lead to their death therefore I conclude a lot of the neighing and braying about the SCOURGE of afk cloaking is a product of overactive paranoia and fantasy.
You can cry all you like but the minute you are presented with reasoning and a request for evidence you just harrumph and decide its unfair, without being able to indicate why.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:00:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
i'm failed troll
well said bro
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:03:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 14:03:41
It is like talking to a wall.
What is the purpose of bringing a cloaked ship into a system and just sitting there.
To disrupt a systems usage.
A valid tactic, nobody disputes that.
The point is that an afk cloaker is the same thing as a BOT.
You are saying, yes I want to be able to do this job without being at the keyboard.
Nobody wants to remove the tactic they want to remove the BOT.
There is a difference and if you can't see it, well this whole discussion is over.
The mechanic is flawed and always has been.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
i'm failed troll
well said bro
You are happy to stamp your feet about how terrible this all is but are unable to provide any proof, yet you are all over my thread trying to disrupt it. I am sorry to say that I am not trolling you. I am actually trying to gather some evidence that goes beyond the usual scope of the nerf afk cloaking threads. The fact that you are unable to do anything else but splerge the usual rhetoric and call anyone that opposes your small world view a troll just proves that YOU are in fact the one trolling.
I suggest you hop along now miss rabbit and go find another burrow to poop in.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:08:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 14:03:41
It is like talking to a wall.
What is the purpose of bringing a cloaked ship into a system and just sitting there.
To disrupt a systems usage.
A valid tactic, nobody disputes that.
The point is that an afk cloaker is the same thing as a BOT.
You are saying, yes I want to be able to do this job without being at the keyboard.
Nobody wants to remove the tactic they want to remove the BOT.
There is a difference and if you can't see it, well this whole discussion is over.
The mechanic is flawed and always has been.
Yet again, someone is incapable of providing any evidence of death to AFK cloaking but has to chip in with the same tired nonsense. I am reporting this post since you have proven either incapable, or belligerently defiant about disrupting my thread.
Go talk endlessly about this junk in some other thread, it has no place here.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:26:00 -
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AH but I did prove it.
By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.
Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.
Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:28:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I am sorry to say that I am not trolling you. I am actually trying to gather some evidence that goes beyond the usual scope of the nerf afk cloaking threads.
maybe when you start to read what others write to you you will find what you want. Now you only ignore completely anyone other's posts (except my). That's why i troll you.
One more try (last one): afk cloaking ITSELF isn't bad. And you are right: noone was really killed by afk cloaker (you can say the same about carriers: not one ship was killed by carrier, carriers use drones to make damage so not one carrier kills ships). Problem is how people use it.
This is like botting. Everyone says "bots kill the game". However bots don't kill anything. They just make their own function. And they indirectly hurt Eve. Which people see and complain about. You can say that people aren't just right and all this stuff. Will you?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:31:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 14:32:13
Originally by: Simetraz
AH but I did prove it.
By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.
Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.
Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?
Horsecrap! You took actions that resulted in...
1. Killmails for you by attacking the AFK cloaker's corp's industrials. (At least I hope you did... brilliant idea btw.)
2. The AFK cloaker being punished and leaving your system.
Dude, you did it right. Accept that. You beat the afk cloaker and did it well. Yet you're still acting like carebears docked up in panic mode. You've lost credibility with this argument because you've already shown the balls to beat them. Boast, man, don't cower.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:33:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Simetraz
AH but I did prove it.
By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.
Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.
Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I am sorry to say that I am not trolling you. I am actually trying to gather some evidence that goes beyond the usual scope of the nerf afk cloaking threads.
maybe when you start to read what others write to you you will find what you want. Now you only ignore completely anyone other's posts (except my). That's why i troll you.
One more try (last one): afk cloaking ITSELF isn't bad. And you are right: noone was really killed by afk cloaker (you can say the same about carriers: not one ship was killed by carrier, carriers use drones to make damage so not one carrier kills ships). Problem is how people use it.
This is like botting. Everyone says "bots kill the game". However bots don't kill anything. They just make their own function. And they indirectly hurt Eve. Which people see and complain about. You can say that people aren't just right and all this stuff. Will you?
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
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Eight Sinn
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.
Follow the Scout motto: "Be Prepared"
If you simply accept the fact that 0.0 requires protection and planning you eliminate the threat of cloaked ships. If you refuse to accept the threat that a cloaked ship can pose and insist on applying CB operations methodologies to 0.0 eventually you will lose our to a cloaked ship.
It's like condoms, they aren't always fun to use but you are glad you did if it avoids the AIDS, STD's or unwanted baby spawns.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:33:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Simetraz
AH but I did prove it.
By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.
Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.
Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I am sorry to say that I am not trolling you. I am actually trying to gather some evidence that goes beyond the usual scope of the nerf afk cloaking threads.
maybe when you start to read what others write to you you will find what you want. Now you only ignore completely anyone other's posts (except my). That's why i troll you.
One more try (last one): afk cloaking ITSELF isn't bad. And you are right: noone was really killed by afk cloaker (you can say the same about carriers: not one ship was killed by carrier, carriers use drones to make damage so not one carrier kills ships). Problem is how people use it.
This is like botting. Everyone says "bots kill the game". However bots don't kill anything. They just make their own function. And they indirectly hurt Eve. Which people see and complain about. You can say that people aren't just right and all this stuff. Will you?
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:43:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 14:32:13
Originally by: Simetraz
AH but I did prove it.
By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.
Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.
Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?
Horsecrap! You took actions that resulted in...
1. Killmails for you by attacking the AFK cloaker's corp's industrials. (At least I hope you did... brilliant idea btw.)
2. The AFK cloaker being punished and leaving your system.
Dude, you did it right. Accept that. You beat the afk cloaker and did it well. Yet you're still acting like carebears docked up in panic mode. You've lost credibility with this argument because you've already shown the balls to beat them. Boast, man, don't cower.
Actually not horse crap.
We had some new folks who were not used to 0.0 life who stopped logging in and eventually left the corp, that by very definition is cowering.
Then there were the PvP folks and those who were industrials primary but could PvP, those were gnashing there teeth trying to figure out how to get this person.
Baiting didn't work, it was tryed (AFK).
So in the end they found the alliance and ended up going after a totally different corporation.
Effective yes but far from hitting the target.
All I want is a probe that takes an hour to run that will put me on the same grid as the person afk.
If some is even marginally awake I will never get a chance to uncloak them and kill them.
But if they are gone for 8 hours.
They return to a POD.
Not asking much just let me kill the BOT.
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Chigger Troutslayer
Internet Spaceship Gamers
RED Citizens
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:46:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Demonic Sentiment
Edited by: Demonic Sentiment on 19/08/2011 07:32:19
How do you die to an afk cloaker... If they are afk...
Not only that but if they are cloaked they cant activate any modules....
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:46:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
You still haven't answered my question.
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Jemima Puddlefuck
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:49:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Simetraz
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
You still haven't answered my question.
It's not my intention to argue semantics about AFK or not. We all know they can't kill you if they are AFK. I am simply using the (poorly worded) common name for this 'issue'. This isn't meant to be a trick thread, which makes it more frustrating that people can't hold their breath and count to 10 before splerging the same old rubbish in here.
Please go ahead.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:49:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Simetraz
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
You still haven't answered my question.
It's not my intention to argue semantics about AFK or not. We all know they can't kill you if they are AFK. I am simply using the (poorly worded) common name for this 'issue'. This isn't meant to be a trick thread, which makes it more frustrating that people can't hold their breath and count to 10 before splerging the same old rubbish in here.
Please go ahead.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:52:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Simetraz
All I want is a probe that takes an hour to run that will put me on the same grid as the person afk.
If some is even marginally awake I will never get a chance to uncloak them and kill them.
But if they are gone for 8 hours.
They return to a POD.
Not asking much just let me kill the BOT.
I still disagree that afk cloaking is a problem needing to be fixed, but you mean something like this?
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:11:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Originally by: Simetraz
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
You still haven't answered my question.
It's not my intention to argue semantics about AFK or not. We all know they can't kill you if they are AFK. I am simply using the (poorly worded) common name for this 'issue'. This isn't meant to be a trick thread, which makes it more frustrating that people can't hold their breath and count to 10 before splerging the same old rubbish in here.
Please go ahead.
I am looking, needle in a hay stack as I wasn't the victim or aggressor.
You do know the primary goal of AFK cloaking is NOT to get kill mails.
This really is a poor way to judge if afk cloaking is a problem.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:16:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:20:08
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:18:10
Killmail
I believe here is one.
Fits the time frame and ship types from what I remember
Bombers and loki's are the ships of preference these days for hanging around cloaked all day.
or were should I say
Covert ops do it from time to time but nobody pays attention to them.
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Gypsy Overlord
Amarr
Super French Mining Merchant Surrender Fleet
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:28:00 -
[75]
I got killed by AFK cloaking because of falcon.
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Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:29:00 -
[76]
NEVER
Why? Because I'm not ****ing rubbish, like you.
Learn to EVE, *****.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:50:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:50:36
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
CaldariCitizen19082011
I didn't pay attention to your original name.
Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to try and get people banned because you didn't like there replies.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:56:00 -
[78]
Once I thought I had died to an afk cloaked, but it turned out he was at the keyboard after all.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 15:59:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:50:36
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.
CaldariCitizen19082011
I didn't pay attention to your original name.
Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to try and get people banned because you didn't like there replies.
I didn't try to get anyone banned! I wished to get people ON topic, and hopefully a thread clean. The namechange was inevitable I am under no false pretences but let's not discuss moderation here.
Your previous link is noted as one possible by the way. Thank you.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 16:04:00 -
[80]
SO why are you trying to collect these statistics ?
Kind of like trying to determine how many NON-NPC ships a hulk or a mac have killed.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.19 16:21:00 -
[81]
It is technically impossible to die to an afk cloaker if it hasn't already been pointed out in this thread.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 16:21:00 -
[82]
Any evidence to support that AFK cloakers is a problem is surely in a lot of peoples interests. So far we have 1 in about 80 posts.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.08.19 16:40:00 -
[83]
/there is nothing to seek here
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.08.19 16:51:00 -
[84]
Anyone who thinks AFK cloakers aren't a threat is either really stupid or hasn't thought it through.
They can sit there for hours, come back to the computer for 5 mins, check for anyone in space and then leave the computer again for another few hours. I've used this tactic very successfully myself. After the first few hours they assume you are afk, so when I come back to my computer they are merrily mining away and POP, bombs, point, torps away, dead Hulk.
There is no way to find me, there is no way to know if I'm afk.
If you are dumb enough to mine or PvE in the same system as I'm in, then you are either going to get 'uncloak, bomb, point' or 'uncloak, cyno, point' combo on your head. Either way, its not good for you!
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 17:00:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Rhinanna
Anyone who thinks AFK cloakers aren't a threat is either really stupid or hasn't thought it through.
They can sit there for hours, come back to the computer for 5 mins, check for anyone in space and then leave the computer again for another few hours. I've used this tactic very successfully myself. After the first few hours they assume you are afk, so when I come back to my computer they are merrily mining away and POP, bombs, point, torps away, dead Hulk.
There is no way to find me, there is no way to know if I'm afk.
If you are dumb enough to mine or PvE in the same system as I'm in, then you are either going to get 'uncloak, bomb, point' or 'uncloak, cyno, point' combo on your head. Either way, its not good for you!
Thank you for not reading the thread. It's been thought through to death and this is the wrong thread to discuss it further. Please read the scope of the thread before posting this rubbish here.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.19 17:03:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 17:03:39
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
Thank you for not reading the thread. It's been thought through to death and this is the wrong thread to discuss it further. Please read the scope of the thread before posting this rubbish here.
So let me see if I got this right.
You finally got the attention of someone who has actually using this tactic and you tell them they are rubbish.
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Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2011.08.19 17:06:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:27:07
Killmail
I believe here is one.
Fits the time frame and ship types from what I remember
Bombers and loki's are the ships of preference these days for hanging around cloaked all day.
or were should I say
Covert ops do it from time to time but nobody pays attention to them.
Actually if you find a single ship kill against ratting or industrial ship with a bomber or loki
involved most likely there was some AFK cloaking going on as well.
How did he even manage to lock and engage you if he was cloaked (cannot use modules) and AFK?
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.08.19 17:50:00 -
[88]
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
POST HERE EVERY TIME YOU DIED BECAUSE OF AN AFK CLOAKER.
NON-SEQUITUR!
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.19 17:52:00 -
[89]
let me get this straight: you are asking if someone afk killed anyone? this thread belongs in the mythical event forum.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.08.19 18:05:00 -
[90]
A lot of people here are not discerning between 'afk cloaker' and 'cloaker'. To the extent I care about this topic (very little), my issue is that someone is afk, yet still having an effect as if they were actually playing. That just seems against the spirit of the game. You can argue a cloakers should simply be ignored, but the reality is, they are not. Thus the afk cloaker is 'getting something done' in-game while afk.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 18:48:00 -
[91]
Quelle surprise. Some people prefer to act facetiously rather than contribute to a discussion.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:29:00 -
[92]
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
Quelle surprise. Some people prefer to act facetiously rather than contribute to a discussion.
The discussion you want to have is ridiculous. And many of us are tired of talking to lugubrious coxcombs.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:40:00 -
[93]
Yo dawg, I hear there are afk cloaking pvp bots that shoot ratting bots all while afk and cloaking. True story.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:45:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
Quelle surprise. Some people prefer to act facetiously rather than contribute to a discussion.
The discussion you want to have is ridiculous. And many of us are tired of talking to lugubrious coxcombs.
I don't want a discussion, I want a reporting of incidents and a complete LACK of discussion, DONT ANGRY ME MISTER!!!
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Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:44:00 -
[95]
Damn good troll, Spank-alt! Damn good troll.
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Because Of Door
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Posted - 2011.08.19 21:41:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Because Of Door on 19/08/2011 21:44:30
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Also do you know whats really fun?
Afk cloaking in your sb then once everyone logs or docks up you rat in their belts.
^^ THIS. 
Originally by: Eight Sinn
It's like condoms, they aren't always fun to use but you are glad you did if it avoids the AIDS, STD's or unwanted baby spawns.
But sometimes you may get an officer spawn...
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Hwong Jian
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:32:00 -
[97]
I just want to point out two things:
1. You won't know that there is an AFK cloaker in your system when CCP changes local.
2. The amount of public outcry about cloaks has skyrocketed since CCP announced null-sec changes.
Now, I'm a fairly logical person. And, I even watched the movie Limitless. So, I know a thing or two about connecting the dots.
Cry on, nullbears. Cry on. Your days of "(lol)risk vs. (insane)reward" are going to shift a little closer to "risk vs. reward".
Also, unless you're in a frig, you have a drone bay. And even some of the frigs have a drone bay. FILL IT WITH ECM DRONES! Even if you get cloaky bumped so you're not fully aligned, I'd love to see how the cloaky recon holds a point on you while he's jammed.
Here's a novel idea: This is EVE. This is a sandbox (for now). Figure out how to play inside it or leave.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:40:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Hwong Jian
I just want to point out two things:
1. You won't know that there is an AFK cloaker in your system when CCP changes local.
Please share your insider information with the rest of us. Or are you stating you are just as capable of pure speculation as the rest of us?
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Generals4
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:45:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Hwong Jian
I just want to point out two things:
1. You won't know that there is an AFK cloaker in your system when CCP changes local.
2. The amount of public outcry about cloaks has skyrocketed since CCP announced null-sec changes.
Now, I'm a fairly logical person. And, I even watched the movie Limitless. So, I know a thing or two about connecting the dots.
Cry on, nullbears. Cry on. Your days of "(lol)risk vs. (insane)reward" are going to shift a little closer to "risk vs. reward".
Also, unless you're in a frig, you have a drone bay. And even some of the frigs have a drone bay. FILL IT WITH ECM DRONES! Even if you get cloaky bumped so you're not fully aligned, I'd love to see how the cloaky recon holds a point on you while he's jammed.
Here's a novel idea: This is EVE. This is a sandbox (for now). Figure out how to play inside it or leave.
Maybe but let's not forget they are also going to make of 0.0 a diamond mine.
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Hwong Jian
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:02:00 -
[100]
@TheChickFormerlyKnownAsJemima: Many Bothans died to bring me that information. To tell you exactly how that information was gained would risk the lives of even more Bothans in future intelligence gathering operations. However, I can assure you that the changes, as they are currently planned, will indeed make it so that AFK cloaking will go unnoticed. However, the non-AFK cloaker will have a distinct advantage.
@Generals4: That brings up few more things. I want EVE blood diamonds now! (Which reminds me, maybe I should collect Blood Raider Diamond Tags...) How lucrative will guerilla tactics and small-scale player-based incursions into 0.0 be? Will the possibility of low sec pirates and bored FW militias jaunting into 0.0 to hunt ratters and mission runners cause the entry systems into 0.0 to become more camped? Less camped? Make 3-5 jumps into 0.0 basically ghost towns as the "0.0 alliances" (read: nullbears) move into more "protected" areas?
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Tainted Rascal
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:47:00 -
[101]
Have I died to an AFK cloaker ? I have not.
Do i think the game mechanic surrounding AFK cloaking is unbalanced an open to abuse?.... hell yes. You'd be a fool not to know that.
If i log in anywhere, I can sit at a true SS, hit the cloak button and walk away all day - where's the risk to me? I wont mysteriously de-cloak unless my EVE client crashes (quite likely lol) or my client gets disconnected. And then I'd be logged out and safe anyway. Wheres the risk to me? I can de-cloak for a moment - launch probes, re-cloak, search the system for my enemy track them down, and unless they've been actively spamming the d-scan every 30 seconds for all the hours they've been active, they'll have no idea an attack is on the way till the final seconds.
So i can go to any system i like and monitor it when i want to and my enemy can see me there but has no idea at what point I'll be active and cant do a damn thing about it. This is where i see the mechanic is broken. Its a cheap tactic. We all know it. It needs re-balancing (its needed this for years).
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:29:00 -
[102]
I'll have you know my parents were murdered by an afk cloaker
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.20 03:12:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Hwong Jian
FILL IT WITH ECM DRONES!
ECM drones have saved expensive ships of mine several times. Don't leave home without them.
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Shartifartblast
Minmatar
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.20 04:20:00 -
[104]
Over a hundred posts proving no one is able to remain on topic and barely anyone has any direct experience with losing a ship to this much maligned threat! |
Nocte Eisner
Caldari
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 20:38:00 -
[105]
I thought that I died once to an AFK cloaker, but I was mistaken.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.08.20 20:41:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
I think the op is trying to be sarcastic in that afk cloakers are no threat to anyone but botters who infinitely log out due to a non blue in local.
I think.
maybe op is complaining cos his bots are perma safed up cos of an afk cloaker thus "killing" his super carrier/ titan mins gathering source
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.20 20:59:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Shartifartblast
Over a hundred posts proving no one is able to remain on topic and barely anyone has any direct experience with losing a ship to this much maligned threat!
I'm still trying to understand how it is even possible to lose a ship to another ship that has nobody at the controls.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 21:10:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Grimpak
I'm still trying to understand how it is even possible to lose a ship to another ship that has nobody at the controls.
The same way you keep your dignity unblemished when you give earnest responses to trolls - i.e you cannot.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.20 21:47:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov
Originally by: Grimpak
I'm still trying to understand how it is even possible to lose a ship to another ship that has nobody at the controls.
The same way you keep your dignity unblemished when you give earnest responses to trolls - i.e you cannot.
I've been posting on these forums for nearly 7 years already and I am among the top 10 posters.
what's this "dignity" you're talking about?
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