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NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 13	Posted - 2012.09.26 13:28:00 - [61] - Quote You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games. No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected" Solves so many issues in the game And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing Why hasn't this been done?
SeaSaw Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.09.26 14:03:00 - [62] - Quote Good Sirs; I am tired of just logging on to refill my training queue. I haven't been able to spend much time on this great game and I don't know how to play much of it. However, I would enjoy going afk while cloaked. Can someone briefly explain to me the minimum set-up I need to do this (I don't want to pose a real threat and I won't be really gathering intel, I just want to cloak afk and be pretty sure I am having some effect)? Can you also explain where I go to do this (I am in hek with my rifter right now). I have plenty of money (I just buy Plex now that I understand there are two kinds). your humble servent SeaSaw
Robert De'Arneth 67	Posted - 2012.09.26 14:12:00 - [63] - Quote SeaSaw wrote: Good Sirs; I am tired of just logging on to refill my training queue. I haven't been able to spend much time on this great game and I don't know how to play much of it. However, I would enjoy going afk while cloaked. Can someone briefly explain to me the minimum set-up I need to do this (I don't want to pose a real threat and I won't be really gathering intel, I just want to cloak afk and be pretty sure I am having some effect)? Can you also explain where I go to do this (I am in hek with my rifter right now). I have plenty of money (I just buy Plex now that I understand there are two kinds). your humble servent SeaSaw Frig V , Spaceship command III , Electronic Upgrades V , Electronics, and Engineering II, Covert ops I, and Cloaking I. As to where, anywhere where you want to have somone make a post about AFK cloaking. A real valid reason for AFK cloaking is to save the ore, if people are nervous they may move and not mine there, and that is a good thing imho.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 352	Posted - 2012.09.26 14:33:00 - [64] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games. No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected" Solves so many issues in the game And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing Why hasn't this been done? Because there are plenty of valid reasons you might be "afk" for longer than 15 minutes which this would break. Fly a freighter much? I was moving a bunch of crap around last night. So if I set an autopilot to Jita I'd now have to go click in the window every 15 min just so i don't disconnect for the 90min autopilot session? Recon, I've sat cloaked off someones POS in a WH for extended periods of time just gathering intel. I am at my computer, ususally doing something else with EVE on another screen just watching. I'm not moving on purpose and then 15min later YAY, I get disconnected while 100km from their pos. That's always fun. Here's a fun fact. As everyone knows WH space has no local. So you never know if you have a cloaky in system (you can have certain levels of certainty but rarely 100%. So you have to operate assuming you are being watched. So just pretend your local is down and operate the same way. Problem solved.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 10	Posted - 2012.09.26 15:46:00 - [65] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games. No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected" Solves so many issues in the game And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing Why hasn't this been done? If I were you, I'd have a chat with anyone whose ever engaged in sov warfare regularly. "The station will be out of reinforce in a few minutes, there enemy fleets a few jumps out, get ready too... what the ****, why have 100 people just disconnected. Crap, have we been in this POS 15 minutes?"
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 13	Posted - 2012.09.26 16:01:00 - [66] - Quote moving your mouse is sufficient to disrupt the 15 minute count down. If you are telling me you cant jiggle the mouse every 15 minutes, shame on you. As for autopiloting I figure that would be a simple when autopilot =1 then timer set =99999 So that unless you manage to make an autopilot course that spans past dt you wont have an issue Also it is called recon not sit outside and alt tab every once in a while to see what is maybe happening. Consider it an incentive to do your job correctly.
Seraph IX Basarab Vengance Inc. 32	Posted - 2012.09.26 18:41:00 - [67] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games. No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected" Solves so many issues in the game And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing Why hasn't this been done? Cause eve is a methodical game, not counter strike.
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 39	Posted - 2012.09.26 22:10:00 - [68] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: moving your mouse is sufficient to disrupt the 15 minute count down. If you are telling me you cant jiggle the mouse every 15 minutes, shame on you. As for autopiloting I figure that would be a simple when autopilot =1 then timer set =99999 So that unless you manage to make an autopilot course that spans past dt you wont have an issue Also it is called recon not sit outside and alt tab every once in a while to see what is maybe happening. Consider it an incentive to do your job correctly. That's just ridiculous, you'd expect someone in their spare time to spend say 5 hours (a significant enough period to actually see something) literally sat in front of a screen jiggling the mouse around so they're not disconnected, doing literally nothing else? For instance you play CoD you ignore your texts until you die. Would you ignore texts whilst sat cloaked in EVE and not moving?
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 13	Posted - 2012.09.26 23:19:00 - [69] - Quote Moonlit Raid wrote: NEONOVUS wrote: moving your mouse is sufficient to disrupt the 15 minute count down. If you are telling me you cant jiggle the mouse every 15 minutes, shame on you. As for autopiloting I figure that would be a simple when autopilot =1 then timer set =99999 So that unless you manage to make an autopilot course that spans past dt you wont have an issue Also it is called recon not sit outside and alt tab every once in a while to see what is maybe happening. Consider it an incentive to do your job correctly. That's just ridiculous, you'd expect someone in their spare time to spend say 5 hours (a significant enough period to actually see something) literally sat in front of a screen jiggling the mouse around so they're not disconnected, doing literally nothing else? For instance you play CoD you ignore your texts until you die. Would you ignore texts whilst sat cloaked in EVE and not moving? So how will you see anything in those 5 hours if you arent there to jiggle a mouse? I dont think you understand how little is needed to have you at the computer for Also I dont own any COD I have BF3 and Crysis 2 And by texts do you mean from a phone? If you devote all your attention to that, how can you notice if the enemy does anything interesting? Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Cause eve is a methodical game, not counter strike. Which has rules against being afk and reaping rewards. Excepting autopilot & mining
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 625	Posted - 2012.09.26 23:41:00 - [70] - Quote Annubis Lorn wrote: It's one thing when you fly around in cloaked ships from system to system, but to park your ship in an enemy system and go AFK isn't combat, it's not gameplay, it's childish and stupid, and should really be changed. Denying you of the ability to make isk is a valid tactic. Besides, if 10 ratters are scared of 1 cloaked ship, then AFK cloaking is not the problem. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 625	Posted - 2012.09.26 23:47:00 - [71] - Quote SeaSaw wrote: Good Sirs; I am tired of just logging on to refill my training queue. I haven't been able to spend much time on this great game and I don't know how to play much of it. However, I would enjoy going afk while cloaked. Can someone briefly explain to me the minimum set-up I need to do this (I don't want to pose a real threat and I won't be really gathering intel, I just want to cloak afk and be pretty sure I am having some effect)? Can you also explain where I go to do this (I am in hek with my rifter right now). I have plenty of money (I just buy Plex now that I understand there are two kinds). your humble servent SeaSaw A noobship with a cloak. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
kraiklyn Asatru T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 12	Posted - 2012.09.27 00:24:00 - [72] - Quote Srsly screw that.. disconnecting after 15min?? thats ******. You telling me I cant even take a nice long ** without disconnecting. I need my biobreaks
Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 7	Posted - 2012.09.27 01:17:00 - [73] - Quote Move to HS.. you'll be safer there
Seraph IX Basarab Vengance Inc. 32	Posted - 2012.09.27 01:36:00 - [74] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: Moonlit Raid wrote: [quote=NEONOVUS] [quote=Seraph IX Basarab]Cause eve is a methodical game, not counter strike. Which has rules against being afk and reaping rewards. Excepting autopilot & mining You make any money afk cloaking? No? Guess your point is irrelevant then.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:12:00 - [75] - Quote I am going to assume this person does not live in Null sec. The idea is unfounded. What purpose does this serve? What benefit is this to anyone but the OP who seems to find it necessary to whine about a perfectly functional game mechanic? The purpose of the cloak is so you can not be seen. So what if they go AFK? If they are AFK, they are not shooting at you. This is an unfair mechanic to anyone who lives in Null in my opinion. Not everyone has the luxury of station tanking like the OP does.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:13:00 - [76] - Quote Cage Man wrote: Move to HS.. you'll be safer there You just have to watch out for thos AFK miners, and AFK Mission runners.....
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 13	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:43:00 - [77] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: NEONOVUS wrote: Moonlit Raid wrote: [quote=NEONOVUS] [quote=Seraph IX Basarab]Cause eve is a methodical game, not counter strike. Which has rules against being afk and reaping rewards. Excepting autopilot & mining You make any money afk cloaking? No? Guess your point is irrelevant then. So if you make no money why do it? <-baited answer You are obviously gaining something by freaking other people out. If they stop making money, you have removed that amount from their war chest just as much as if you blew it up. That is the missed point
Seraph IX Basarab Vengance Inc. 33	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:49:00 - [78] - Quote There is no missed point. Your argument is crap. Eve is all about risk. Part of that risk is that there may be someone hunting you. Deal with it or go sit in high sec.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:50:00 - [79] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You make any money afk cloaking? No? Guess your point is irrelevant then. So if you make no money why do it? <-baited answer You are obviously gaining something by freaking other people out. If they stop making money, you have removed that amount from their war chest just as much as if you blew it up. That is the missed point kraiklyn Asatru wrote: Srsly screw that.. disconnecting after 15min?? thats ******. You telling me I cant even take a nice long without disconnecting. I need my biobreaks Dude if you are in the can, what does it matter if the client shuts down??? You arent at it! which is you know the whole point. Also if its good enough for the navy to be done in under 7 minutes, its good enough for you. You do it because not everyone has a station to dock up to when the moment arises to go AFK. I mean, seriously, why is this even a topic of discussion. Cloaked is cloaked. What does it matter if you are AFK or not. And, because it is a pain in the a having to reload the client just because you needed to step away for a moment. In my opinion, AFK cloak is no different than AFK station tanking.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:51:00 - [80] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: There is no missed point. Your argument is crap. Eve is all about risk. Part of that risk is that there may be someone hunting you. Deal with it or go sit in high sec. This ^
Hirimatsu Yamamoto Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:52:00 - [81] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games. No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected" Solves so many issues in the game And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing Why hasn't this been done? Because the people who ACTUALLY ice mine would start bit***ing. We don't want angry miners flooding the boards. At least I dont..... Edit - Because mining ice takes forever.... I know, I tried, and regretted it. >.<
NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 13	Posted - 2012.09.27 03:56:00 - [82] - Quote Hirimatsu Yamamoto wrote: NEONOVUS wrote: You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games. No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected" Solves so many issues in the game And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing Why hasn't this been done? Because the people who ACTUALLY ice mine would start bit*ing. We don't want angry miners flooding the boards. At least I dont..... Edit - Because mining ice takes forever.... I know, I tried, and regretted it. >.< I just left a corp dedicated to killing miners, not a lot of fun. As for mining I pointed out it was an acceptable afk activity and the 15 minutes could be moved to easily 45 minutes (max worst possible cycle time on mackinaw/retriever) Hirimatsu Yamamoto wrote: You do it because not everyone has a station to dock up to when the moment arises to go AFK. I mean, seriously, why is this even a topic of discussion. Cloaked is cloaked. What does it matter if you are AFK or not. And, because it is a pain in the a having to reload the client just because you needed to step away for a moment. In my opinion, AFK cloak is no different than AFK station tanking. 1. how is the client a problem to load? I can get into my account in under 30 seconds 2. We just had someone admit they cloaked and did 5 hours of recon. Plus you can still be warped, not so fun for the other guy when you have been sitting in that anom waiting for him to be aggressed
Hirimatsu Yamamoto Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 04:00:00 - [83] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: Hirimatsu Yamamoto wrote: NEONOVUS wrote: You know the easiest solution to this, afk anything and possibly even bots(for a bit) would be to just have an afk timer like most other games. No action in say 15 minutes(no typing no movement no interaction) and suddenly "You have been disconnected" Solves so many issues in the game And it will have 0 zero effect on anyone actually playing Why hasn't this been done? Because the people who ACTUALLY ice mine would start bit***ing. We don't want angry miners flooding the boards. At least I dont..... Edit - Because mining ice takes forever.... I know, I tried, and regretted it. >.< I just left a corp dedicated to killing miners, not a lot of fun. As for mining I pointed out it was an acceptable afk activity and the 15 minutes could be moved to easily 45 minutes (max worst possible cycle time on mackinaw/retriever) Then, based on your previous statements and arguments determining what is and is not afk, it is not really possible to input an AFK timer into game effectively, or efficiently, while taking valid AFK mining into consideration. AFK is AFK. But in the end, it comes back to OP argument of AFK Cloakers. This is unfair to null sec citizens.
Zyella Stormborn Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis 125	Posted - 2012.09.27 08:06:00 - [84] - Quote I could just see it now, names throughout Jita, amar, Didixie disappearing by the truckload, and reappearing when they have to log back in all the time, low sec hunters, 0.0's getting intel on other POS's and enemy corp movements, hell, 70% of Wormholers in general, all logging off / on all the time, unless they are mining of course... because you said thats ok. Would work wonders for the server with all the extra loading going on im sure. ;P The only place where local can easily be used to know if hostiles are in system with any regularity are low and 0.0. High sec in most areas has too many people for it to matter unless they are specific war targets, or someone you have set to -10, and WH does not have local at all. I give to you the answer I, and EVERY miner got when we ***** about suicide gankers (easily verified, check around for most of the previous posts where any miner is crying about suicide ganking, lol) ........ wait for it.... Spam D-scan. And you know what? It works! shocker, I know! The real problem here is not that you are upset they are cloaked and afk. You are upset that they are preventing YOU from mining and afk, or ratting blind. Low Sec and 0.0 are supposed to be an edge of your seat at all times dangerous place. Low Sec is, but 0.0 is not as much anymore if you are deep in a larger corps Sov (except for the occasional hot drop and / or blob whale trucking through). Putting in some odd 15 min timer in a game as slow paced (except for when pvp is actually going on) as EVE would be detrimental, not helpful.
The VC's Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2012.09.27 10:28:00 - [85] - Quote Zyella Stormborn wrote: The real problem here is not that you are upset they are cloaked and afk. You are upset that they are preventing YOU from mining and afk, or ratting blind. +1
Brewlar Kuvakei Adeptio Gloriae 131	Posted - 2012.09.27 10:43:00 - [86] - Quote Botting Null bears hate afk cloakers, wow did that required a thread? Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours?
Herping yourDerp Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 773	Posted - 2012.09.27 14:09:00 - [87] - Quote Sjugar wrote: Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: Again, you are making the choice of how to react; you are circling our point. You don't have a counterargument to why people should be able to effect gameplay while not being behind their computerscreen, that's why you try to make it into a discussion you can win. market orders that last 3 months? skilling while offline market PVP trends ice mining mining mining. moon mining researching bpos copying bpos manufacturing forum trolling
Raiko Osburn Nova Prospekt Initiative LEGION. 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 14:24:00 - [88] - Quote After reading this discussion (and many previous in other threads), I have to agree, that being AFK while cloaked simply to make players uncomfortable is misuse of game mechanics. Solution to this could be new AFK icon for players in local. Once player is not moving for lets say 15 minutes, he will get this new AFK mark on his portrait in local and he gets AFK flag. When he gets back, he will have to click 'I am back' button. Once he clicks the button, AFK icon will disapeare and he will have 30s countdown before he can move with his ship. Ofc if his cloak drops for any other reason (bumped or somthing), there will be no countdown. We dont have to change cloak mechanics. It works great. What we need is implementation of AFK mechanics for cloaked ships.
March rabbit R.I.P. Revenge 254	Posted - 2012.09.27 14:25:00 - [89] - Quote Zyella Stormborn wrote: Spam D-scan. last time i tried D-Scan didn't show any cloaked ships warping around..... Cloaked ships just appeared from nowhere on top of the gate and jumped! Need to recheck it today.... Maybe we finally got ability to scan cloaked ships with probes?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 356	Posted - 2012.09.27 14:56:00 - [90] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Zyella Stormborn wrote: Spam D-scan. last time i tried D-Scan didn't show any cloaked ships warping around..... Cloaked ships just appeared from nowhere on top of the gate and jumped! Need to recheck it today.... Maybe we finally got ability to scan cloaked ships with probes? UR funny. As far as I am aware, there is only one ship that can warp cloaked and lock immediately, which is stealth bombers. Everything else will have a 5 second targetting delay. So they will either have to decloak mid warp to be ready when they land, or they will decloak and hopefully try to bump. Either way, if you are staying aligned etc you have a pretty darn good chance of getting out, either by catching the decloak in warp or with that 5 sec window when they decloak on grid. I swear i never realized null bears were such a whiny bunch. God forbid you went somewhere with no local. You wouldn't be able to leave the POS shields

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