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Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 09:42:00 - [1] heya im your naighbourhood carebear i love things like pve mining and generally helping people out im not a fan of pvp due to really not taking any interest in it and having crapy 2way satalite broadband connection so i lag like a mofo. i was wondering if all the other carebears out there would appreciate an option to turn off being a target of pvp so we can enjoy exploring and enjoying the dangers of what pve has to offer i know alot of pvpers will not agree, i talk to alot of high sec people who like the dangers of being ganked but im not one and i know a pve server would probably lower the population of trinity so maybe with an option to not perticipate in it would be a better idea im sure not alot would want it or they would have an alt purely for pvp and one for pve one of the majore problems people might see with this is people gateing and telling thier corp numbers what corps waiting to gank/pvp/suicide kill on the other side of the gate, maybe there could be something in place that if your in a corp that pvp's then your instantly flagged for it all the time ? ccp could increase the difficulty of rats to keep the danger there for people that want to pve so theres still a chance to lose ships to pve and wont change the economy much, but atleast youll be able to go beyond the boundries of highsec rather then flame me for my idea pvper's, lets hear some constructive ideas why this would be no good? i know id love to get into low sec, but due to placing value on my ships im too scared to head there cause i dont want to lose them, at the moment eve feels like half a game to me cause im stuck in highsec. as a game i want to experience all of space and the pve side of eve, i want to be entertained not restricted this is after all just a game BUT one that i pay hard earned dollars for, id love a little more bang for my buck
Marrky	Posted - 2011.08.25 09:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Marrky on 25/08/2011 09:47:18
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 09:49:00 - [3] also just to mention having said pvp on off option would invite alot more people to the game due to it not being such a hostile game. it may not be in the opertunists advantage but deffenitely one to ccp
DeBingJos Minmatar Goat Holdings	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:20:00 - [4] No. (Find another game if you don't like this one.)
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:23:00 - [5] i said constructive love the game hate the pvpers ccp doesnt make the game because they love the people that play it or rather asmuch as they love to give us a game to play im sure theyd love the bigger paycheck at the end of the month
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:29:00 - [6] There already is one, but it might be a bit hard to find. It looks like this: àok, technically, you're still subject to PvP even without clicking that one, so to really turn PvP off, you need to avoid clicking this button: Here's the problem with your idea: you are already PvPing. That mining you think is PvE? It's not ù it's pure PvP. Everything you do is PvP. If you want to switch PvP off in a game such as this, you must also no longer be allowed to do any of the things where you can affect other players by your non-PvP:ing. This meansà + You can obviously no longer lock any player ship. + You can no longer activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. + You can no longer use the market, contracts or the trading window. + You can no longer access or manage POSes and their services. + You can no longer mine. + You can no longer shoot rats. + You can no longer open any kind of container in space. + You can no longer use the on-board scanner or scan probes. + You can no longer be in a fleet. + You can no longer use salvagers. + You can no longer access the industry interface. + You can no longer access player-sovereign systems. + You can no longer access free-floating permanent sites in space. + àand probably many more that I can't think of now. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:38:00 - [7] ah interesting reason why not but completely moot to what im talking about. ok if you wanna go there pvp as in player manipulation of non combative interaction between players is everything your talking about all id like not to have to participate is in the player to player combat
Azhpol Gallente Casa Del Wombat	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:42:00 - [8] Lets not forget that CCP has even defined simply using the market as a form of pvp, so, with the removal of ship spinning, there is NO non-pvp activity left in EvE. This is a pvp game, every aspect of it is designed to force you to compete with other players. Only PvP off button there will ever be is biomass ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main!
Caldari Citizen20090217	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:54:00 - [9] Cloaking device = PvP flag.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:54:00 - [10] You're not getting any BANG for your buck with THAT suggestion. - I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew...

Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:56:00 - [11] the only people who would miss a little bang for thier buck would be the pvpers havnt heard any real negatives yet as it only seems pvpers are the ones replying anyways waiting for a few carebears to catch the post
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.08.25 11:09:00 - [12] See, I am not a big fan of PvE due to not really having any interest in shooting NPCs and not having time to grind ISK for hours every day. Let's make a deal: I give you a no PvP option (I won't shoot you), and you give me a no PvE option (you send me your ISK so I can buy ships). ---
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.08.25 11:44:00 - [13] This is a PvP game that leaves room for PvE'ing... It's not a PvE game leaving room for pvp'ing. You are free to play the game how you like however you should consider adapting yourself to the game instead of suggesting the game adapt to you. Some times I feel new guys should start in lowsec because Eve in spite of having more people and bigger fleets in lowsec and 0.0 have become rather soft. - I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew...
Velicitia Gallente Open Designs	Posted - 2011.08.25 11:45:00 - [14] high SP carebear here... for proof, see my in-game decorations. I think Tippia put it fairly well as to why you can't have a "no PVP!" flag. This game is a sandbox, you can do whatever you want ... but so can that other guy who just blasted you. What CCP has provided us with is merely a framework of a game. Essentially, they gave us the playground, complete with sand-castle tools, a jungle-gym, and "Parents" (CONCORD). After that it's up to us to decide how to have fun. Maybe Tippia wants to play tag. Maybe you want to build a sand castle (complete with a moat full of alligators). Maybe Abdiel wants to take a bucket of Army Men, and invade your castle... The "Parents" are there to keep order (insofar as where they can see... i.e. hisec), so if Abidel stomps all over your castle for no reason, he'll be punished... BUT if they know that's part of the game between you and him (i.e. WARDEC), it's "oh, they're playing together... isn't that nice?" Eventually, the idea is that we'll all "grow up", leave the "safety" of the "playground" (hisec) and start running around in the field/woods (low/null) making up even bigger games (capture the flag, paintball, whatever) to entertain ourselves... Sure, we can always come back to the playground (all those games always had a "base" or "safe spot" anyway) ... Now, that's our "playground" with the PVP flag on... EVE with the "no PVP" flag on would be like going to said playground ... but not being allowed to play in the sandbox, or the jungle-gym, or in the field/woods ... wouldn't be very fun for very long, would it? ========================= Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 12:02:00 - [15] Edited by: Renegade22 on 25/08/2011 12:03:49 you make a great point velicitia and i agree with alot of what you say but as you put it at the end it may not be fun for long but then neither is hiding in hi sec being a loner without the backup of a fleet or big enough corp to help defend its members hi sec is where im stranded unless i dont mind being iskless and shipless, missions are fun and all but they get a little repetative and also the main reason behing my idea is my dream ship ( being a gallente ) is to one day own and cruise around in a thanatos or nyx but im not aloud to drive them in hi sec so its an untouchable dream
Malken Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.08.25 12:06:00 - [16] eve login = pvp on eve logoff = pvp off its already built in
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 12:30:00 - [17] well apart from Velicitia's interesting turn on the way eve is i havnt heard any reasons why it would be a bad thing im sure not alot of people would choose to have nothing to do with pvp but atleast there would be that option there for those of us that love eve apart from a very few aspects
Velicitia Gallente Open Designs	Posted - 2011.08.25 12:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Renegade22 Edited by: Renegade22 on 25/08/2011 12:03:49 you make a great point velicitia and i agree with alot of what you say but as you put it at the end it may not be fun for long but then neither is hiding in hi sec being a loner without the backup of a fleet or big enough corp to help defend its members hi sec is where im stranded unless i dont mind being iskless and shipless, missions are fun and all but they get a little repetative and also the main reason behing my idea is my dream ship ( being a gallente ) is to one day own and cruise around in a thanatos or nyx but im not aloud to drive them in hi sec so its an untouchable dream no PVP means "missions only" (really). You're living in your original idea right now.... and (this'll sound harsh) you're playing EVE "wrong". Based on your employment info, you've just gotten yourself into a med-sized corporation .. in a med/large alliance by the looks of it... give it some time and you'll probably be able to reach those goals.... ========================= Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
De'Veldrin Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:17:00 - [19] All the arguments about this is a PvP game and you're doing it wrong aside, there is a major drawback to allowing some characters to opt out of being shot. This option, if implemented, would allow alliances and corporations to create completely risk free logistics chains to wherever they wanted. Put the no-PvP alt in a no-PvP corporation, give him a freighter and watch in horror as he plods everywhere and anywhere refueling POS's with impunity, repping modules. Or how about no-PvP ninja looters? They can steal my mission objectives, and I can't do anything about it, because they cannot be shot. Poor me, I'm just SOL. Or you mix no-PvP folks in with PvP folks in a fleet. Now the FC doesn't know who to call primary because half the guys on the opposite team can't be shot. The fact of the matter is, Eve players are inventive, and what seems like a simple idea to you (oh hey, no one can shoot me while I mission) WILL (not may) be used in ways that were never imagined by you or the devs to give people who ARE pvp'ing an advantage. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:17:00 - [20] true Velicitia without pvp it'll killing rats same as in missions but the difference being the difficulty of those rats in missions is based on the lvl of mission hit a lvl 5 and ill be back in low sec the difference between ratting and missioning is the quality of lowsec/null sec drops wh rats etc things i cant touch yet and i dont wann ahve to bed the corp to come with me everytime i wanna hit a low sec area and bsides which togs a great corp but theres never more then 3-6 people on at one time lately and alot of those poeple are the same as me carebears

Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:22:00 - [21] hey De'Veldrin completely didnt think of those sorts of exploits maybe then the best idea is a pve server? its the only way to avoid any of those sorts of exploits and confusion im not in any way trying to say eve is flawed in my view because of pvp etc but as i said i place a little value on the items/ships i spend alot of time and rl money trying to obtain maybe if ccp considered it they would see alot more people interested in the game as losing a ship can be a real turn off playing sometimes
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Renegade22 all id like not to have to participate is in the player to player combat The problem is that you can't separate that from the other offensive acts you take against other players. Yes, you outmine the other guy. To combat this, he only has the option of blowing you up. You are trying to rob him of this option, which means restricting his gameplay and giving you an advantage that he cannot compensate for. This completely throws out any semblance of balance the game has and will pretty much break the game. Everything you do affects everyone else. Therefore, everyone else must be able to affect you back, and they must be able to do so in ways where you don't have the advantage. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
De'Veldrin Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Renegade22 hey De'Veldrin completely didnt think of those sorts of exploits maybe then the best idea is a pve server? its the only way to avoid any of those sorts of exploits and confusion im not in any way trying to say eve is flawed in my view because of pvp etc but as i said i place a little value on the items/ships i spend alot of time and rl money trying to obtain maybe if ccp considered it they would see alot more people interested in the game as losing a ship can be a real turn off playing sometimes The most serious issue with a PVE only server is that there would be no reason to PvE. No one would lose any ships or modules, so there would be no market factors driving production. PvE players and PvP players, despite the most rabid sychophants of both sides, cannot exist without one another. Both are necessary for the game to work, because it IS a sandbox. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:37:00 - [24] The concept of Eve is Risc & Reward - if you want to remove the risc you are removing everything Eve stands for... If you want to play Space Solitaire without interruption you can play the game as intended and EARN it. - I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew...
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:48:00 - [25] theres plenty of other mmos where pve doesnt effect the popularity of it and i nearly lost my rattlesnake the other day to a few elite rats was warped scrambled while being hammered by cruisers and battleships got out by the hair of my teeth and about 3000 hull health left and that was only a lvl 4 mission so people would still lose ships there would still be a market for them and modules people would travel to nullsec together in groups as players do in pve mmo's trying to get all those elite modules with the possability of still losing your ships ccp could just amp up the ai/dps of rats to compensate for the lack of gankers and if people join it and figure they dont like it? tranquility will still be there
Killer Gandry Caldari Shadow of the Pain	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:52:00 - [26] After years in EVE I can tell you that a PvP on/off button is the one thing which will get abused the most. I will turn off my PvP option on an alt and I have the perfect spy for any situation. He/she can't be attacked but heck, the information that alt can gather anywhere is more valuable than anything else. Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life.
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:54:00 - [27] true iv abandoned the on off button in favour of a pve server
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Renegade22 theres plenty of other mmos where pve doesnt effect the popularity of it àand EVE is not a part of that subset of games. PvP is as much a requirement here as it is in Counter Strike ù without the PvP, the game would simply cease to exist. It would be something completely different from EVE (and there are plenty of games that will fit the bill here), and for that reason, EVE cannot turn into that game. If you want that gameplay, then those plentiful other games are what you're looking for, not EVE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:03:00 - [29] ah but theres nothing like eve without the pvp if they were to make a pve server then what would be the ditrimental effect to tranquility? im not asking them to change anything about tranquility only that they could add a pvp server with harder rats thats all im asking for now being an ideas forum im only hoping to find out what people interested in joining it think but there doesnt seem to be alot of people online right now that are interested in it >< either thats a sign or its the wrong time of night!
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:14:00 - [30] Edited by: Tippia on 25/08/2011 14:14:55 Originally by: Renegade22 ah but theres nothing like eve without the pvp That's because EVE can't exist without it. It comes inherently and indivisibly with the concept. Quote: if they were to make a pve server àthey would have to create a completely new game from the bottom up. Something that is not EVE. Some art assets might carry over, but pretty much everything else would have to be rewritten. This would be detrimental because it would pull resources away from an already resource-strapped EVE. Again: that is really the core of the matter ù you don't want to play EVE. I would suggest you go look at X3 instead. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:24:00 - [31] finished x3 still working on terran conflict but theres no ultiplyer no one to play with
Commander IceQ Caldari Spit and Ductape Maintenance Trade Wind Commodities	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:36:00 - [32] Looking for a PvE only EVE Server? Look no further! Log on to SiSi NOW! No one will attack you in 0.0 and you can run all over the place, but WAIT there is MORE! If you log in now, CCP Will not charge you more than 100isk for ANYTHING. That is right! Get that Laser Nightmare for less than 1000isk! (Faction/Ded/Officer and T2 mods sold separately) No. As Tippa has explained, without PVP the game would die. Yeah People loose ship in missions. I have done a lot of missions over the last 3 years of my chars' lifetime and I have lost 1 ship. That is not enough to drive the economy. Making missions harder won't help either. If you want to raid, go play WoW. I am a Carebear. Not a PvP'er. If you loose the PvP you (as a "carebear") would have no one to "care" for. Why do you think they are called carebears?
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:37:00 - [33] what resources would it take away from eve? minerals? if we werent always getting ganked thered be plenty and i dont see why the game would have to be completely changed of you removed the pvp element from eve and added harder rats still being able to lose ships so manufacturing mining etc would still be needed what would change so much? youd remove the sneaky gankers and add harder rats
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:49:00 - [34] so your saying that if theres never a pve server and due to the fact i cant handle myself in pvp i should resign to the fact that ill never get past lvl 4 missions and never travel to less then .6 sec ? they should then have a warming on the box Warning!: unless you join a big enough corp that pirates are afraid to engage or have an awesome braodband connection and can handle yourself in pvp please resign yourself to about 60 hours or so of gameplay before it becomes repetative missions and the highest lvl of achievment youll gain in ship command is battleships if said warming was on the box id have thought hhmm maybe its not for me before i had invested as much time and money as i have in a game thats sposed to be entertaining not grievous and the care factor would still be there due to helping players through missions and exploring/ratting through low sec
Velicitia Gallente Open Designs	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Renegade22 what resources would it take away from eve? minerals? if we werent always getting ganked thered be plenty resources as in PEOPLE. Originally by: Renegade22 and i dont see why the game would have to be completely changed of you removed the pvp element from eve and added harder rats still being able to lose ships so manufacturing mining etc would still be needed what would change so much? youd remove the sneaky gankers and add harder rats Harder rats? like the sleepers or sansha... who get absolutely spanked by fleets now? the first week of Incursions was great! bubble prices for everything as people lost a tonne of ships... it's been 6ish months now... the market's back to "normal"... If i had the drive (and the capacity of minerals ...) I could personally build 220 domis every 24 hours. How many are lost in missions in a day? I doubt it's much more that 10-20 (and I might be generous here)... so what am I supposed to do with those other 200 ships? fact of the matter is -- you can't have any non-NPC (or very limited non-NPC) market orders on a "PVE Only" server. Think about it -- the first person to get a BPO of nearly any ship will be able to corner a market fairly easily... ========================= Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
Velicitia Gallente Open Designs	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Velicitia on 25/08/2011 15:09:21 Originally by: Renegade22 so your saying that if theres never a pve server and due to the fact i cant handle myself in pvp i should resign to the fact that ill never get past lvl 4 missions and never travel to less then .6 sec ? No, I didn't see anyone say anything like that. Also, you can head to 0.5. Originally by: Renegade22 they should then have a warming on the box Warning!: unless you join a big enough corp that pirates are afraid to engage or have an awesome braodband connection and can handle yourself in pvp please resign yourself to about 60 hours or so of gameplay before it becomes repetative missions and the highest lvl of achievment youll gain in ship command is battleships Funny, I've not run in to any of those problems... and I've primarily lived in small corps edit... CURRENT CORPORATION TOG Empire [TOGE] from 2011.08.22 12:07 to this day PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S) Aliastra [A] from 2011.06.26 07:38 to 2011.08.22 12:07. Federal Defence Union [FEDEF] from 2011.06.26 06:47 to 2011.06.26 07:38. Aliastra [A] from 2010.01.28 21:25 to 2011.06.26 06:47. TOG Empire [TOGE] from 2009.02.16 23:51 to 2010.01.28 21:25. Aliastra [A] from 2007.01.23 00:30 to 2009.02.16 23:51. Ammu-Nation [AMMU] from 2005.02.27 06:53 to 2007.01.23 00:30. Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2005.02.23 03:19 to 2005.02.27 06:53. ... you bought this toon didn't you? there's no way an '05 toon would STILL not know what this game is about... ========================= Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
Marrky	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:33:00 - [37] Edited by: Marrky on 25/08/2011 15:33:29
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:35:00 - [38] no i didnt buy the toon iv been playing on and off for a while but due to losing a ship to pvp it ****s me and i take a 6 month break then i come back play for a month or 2 lose another ship and take another break i really really dont like pvp its merciles and the only thing that i dont like about the game the rest is awesome only just rejoined toge but theres never more then 3-5 people on at one time so extremely quiet finally got back into it about a month or so ago and have been going hard at it but recently lost a navy domi i was holding my own whittling down the pirates drones with my own but was warp scrambled just as i started to get his armour down my net crashed and when i got back online 5 minutes later i was in my capsule and there was another of his corp mates there was funny actually the guy seemed pretty nice told me i shouldnt come here anymore that was .5 space also i wasnt saying what someone said im just saying what iv had to learn the hard way over the last 5 years
Velicitia Gallente Open Designs	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Renegade22 no i didnt buy the toon iv been playing on and off for a while uh huh... Originally by: Renegade22 i really really dont like pvp its merciles and the only thing that i dont like about the game the rest is awesome only just rejoined toge but theres never more then 3-5 people on at one time so extremely quiet get in a better corp. Originally by: Renegade22 finally got back into it about a month or so ago and have been going hard at it but recently lost a navy domi ouch... Originally by: Renegade22 i was holding my own whittling down the pirates drones with my own but was warp scrambled just as i started to get his armour down my net crashed and when i got back online 5 minutes later i was in my capsule and there was another of his corp mates there was funny actually the guy seemed pretty nice told me i shouldnt come here anymore that was .5 space you were either at war, or did something dumb. Assuming you weren't at war, he'd have gotten concorded for opening fire on you in a 0.5 system. Since that didn't happen, I'm going to assume you were running a mission or mining, he flipped some loot, and went red. You proceeded to shoot him (if mining, you switched ships, then shot at him), allowing him to freely shoot back at you. It's your own fault you lost the ship. ========================= Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:50:00 - [40] no i didnt touch him i was running from asteroid belt to belt and after killing some rats he warped in and scrambled me like i said i dont like pvp and my ship was rigged for pve starting a fight would be just dumb and against what i like and just to confirm on the i didnt buy this character? i have 14.6million sp a baught character oover 6 years old should have a little bit more then that

Velicitia Gallente Open Designs	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:58:00 - [41] then you were either : a. at war. b. in a 0.4 or lower system. Both of these instances it was your own fault for losing the ship. ========================= Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.25 16:53:00 - [42] Edited by: Tippia on 25/08/2011 16:58:00 Originally by: Renegade22 what resources would it take away from eve? Developers ù the resource that it needs the most. Quote: and i dont see why the game would have to be completely changed Then you do not understand how EVE works I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is the only possible conclusion.. Re-read the previous answers and contemplate them. The game cannot function without the constant destruction of ships; the game cannot function without the constant creation of items to feed that destruction. What you are proposing is the removal of both of those things. It would have to be changed because it would necessitate the introduction of instancing ù a functionality the game does not have. It would require a complete revamp of the economy, which is the fundamental mechanism that drives the game. It would require a complete rewrite of the industry mechanics since the market has changed (but the fundamental question remains: why would anyone do industry when there would be no purpose for it?) Again, I suggest X3. Even if you have played it, re-play it, because it will be much the same thing as the nonsensical and pointless repetition that an EVE-themed PvE game would entail. Oh, and as for your idea of having harder ratsà you realise, of course, that the what you're suggesting is essentially CONCORD coming to blow you up at least once a dag (more than that if you haven't logged in in a while)? Do you honestly think that people who can now choose to completely avoid destruction with ease would join a served where such losses are made mandatory? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Marcus Gideon Gallente Federal Defense Operations	Posted - 2011.08.25 17:15:00 - [43] What the other players are trying to convey is... CCP made Eve with a very specific game experience in mind. That being, a single server where everyone is able to get out of the game what they want. Instead of other MMOs, where the conversation starts out with "Oh, so you play..." and ends with "Oh, I'm not on that server, nevermind." You want "safe" gameplay, stay to High Sec and watch your actions. It's really quite difficult for someone else to drag you into PvP unless you flag yourself. Otherwise, they're wasting their ship and Standings just to mess with you. But... CCP is not going to make another server, especially where the loss of game assets would be extremely minimal. The market is player driven, and if the only losses are from mission runners who don't know how to tank or run away, there'd be no need for industry. In order to keep yourself supplied, everything would have to be seeded. You know... Maybe you should just go play on Singularity instead =)
Magnus Orin Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.25 17:36:00 - [44] Imagine how shitty the Eve economy would be on a server where ships never blew up, and where only produced. Why the fuck do you even play this game? Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.25 17:58:00 - [45] Oh, hang on a sec, let me see if I'm getting this thread right. The OP wants CCP to put up an entirely new server, one which doesn't allow playersz to shoot each other under ay circumstances, because.. his internet is bad? Do I have that about right? That's about as arrogant and prickish an idea as I've heard in a long time. And I'm a Goon. OP, explain to the class why CCP should cater to YOU because you don't like pewpew and your internet, which they have nothing to do with, is bad.
Jiska Ensa	Posted - 2011.08.25 18:19:00 - [46] You clearly don't understand supply and demand, do you? Resources in eve are unlimited. Thus, supply is MASSIVE. Demand is ONLY caused by losing ships. If you stop losing ships in Eve, on the scale it is done (trillions of isk worth of minerals blowing up every day, or whatever) then miners become worthless. They will make nothing. 0.01 isk per hour, maybe. All ships would be worthless. All modules worthless. So now, by removing pvp, you've made miners quit, industrialists quit, traders quit...so all that's left are the fools running level 4's all bloody day, for no reason. Why do you make isk? Do you honestly find shooting red crosses for 8 hours a day FUN? What is the purpose of HAVING money if you never have to spend it (replacing ships)?
Newt Rondanse	Posted - 2011.08.25 18:46:00 - [47] Worst idea ever. Splitting the playerbase would almost certainly kill the game in short order. PvE supplies PvP, and PvP constrains PvE. It needs to be this way.
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.26 00:58:00 - [48] how about being an ideas discussion instead of flaming/ trying to make me sound clueless as to the game mechanics, give me some ideas what my options are, are there any corps out there you can suggest i become a part of that will let me dabble in both aspects of the game? so far all youv suggested is stay in high sec where the game is limited or gear for pvp and prepare to lose more ships and yet no one has said anything about dust514, is it not apart eve? maybe the market will influence the game a touch but we cant touch that game play regardless im not asking to destroy eve i just want to be able to extend past battleships and high sec
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.26 01:27:00 - [49] lol, you're kidding right? A server where everything is priced at 100 isk isn't good enough..? You could play and mine on Sisi. Then too, all the "carebears" would be off on their own server making things while all the pvpers would be on the other server buying things ...but paying 15 billion for battleships.
Renegade22	Posted - 2011.08.26 02:36:00 - [50] how do i close/delete this topic?

Nezumiiro Noneko	Posted - 2011.08.26 03:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Renegade22 how do i close/delete this topic? you cannot unsee what has been seen lol.... Don't worry, it will fall to page 2 then oblivion at some point. Like the 100's before it. Want better pve content (assuming not trolling) go to 0.0. Don't like pvp...cool. Just tolerate it. Here is how to be a carebear disguised as a pvp'er.....do any pvp events 2-3 days of the week. Even if you diaf the first 2 minutes of the action, you can say you were there. Roam going one night...be on it. pos bash next night, be on it. you look like an active corp member doing this. Rest of the week....rat unless its a cta. Corp is happy you show up to ops once a while....hell you might even have some fun on them as well. Happy corp...not riding your ass like they do the leeches in belts and ca's all the time. Win win for all.
Nezumiiro Noneko	Posted - 2011.08.26 03:51:00 - [52] ummm....dude....that remover topic title trick only works when there isn't a page 2. stay in empire....maze you are not ready for (even on a pve only server).
grazer gin	Posted - 2011.08.26 04:32:00 - [53] Removing the title/thread will not save you from the coming Exterminatus your carebear ways have brought this on yourself and now you will reap the rewards if you wont pay for our forgiveness


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