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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:42:00 -
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heya im your naighbourhood carebear i love things like pve mining and generally helping people out im not a fan of pvp due to really not taking any interest in it and having crapy 2way satalite broadband connection so i lag like a mofo. i was wondering if all the other carebears out there would appreciate an option to turn off being a target of pvp so we can enjoy exploring and enjoying the dangers of what pve has to offer i know alot of pvpers will not agree, i talk to alot of high sec people who like the dangers of being ganked but im not one and i know a pve server would probably lower the population of trinity so maybe with an option to not perticipate in it would be a better idea
im sure not alot would want it or they would have an alt purely for pvp and one for pve one of the majore problems people might see with this is people gateing and telling thier corp numbers what corps waiting to gank/pvp/suicide kill on the other side of the gate, maybe there could be something in place that if your in a corp that pvp's then your instantly flagged for it all the time ?
ccp could increase the difficulty of rats to keep the danger there for people that want to pve so theres still a chance to lose ships to pve and wont change the economy much, but atleast youll be able to go beyond the boundries of highsec
rather then flame me for my idea pvper's, lets hear some constructive ideas why this would be no good? i know id love to get into low sec, but due to placing value on my ships im too scared to head there cause i dont want to lose them, at the moment eve feels like half a game to me cause im stuck in highsec. as a game i want to experience all of space and the pve side of eve, i want to be entertained not restricted this is after all just a game BUT one that i pay hard earned dollars for, id love a little more bang for my buck
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Marrky
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Marrky on 25/08/2011 09:47:18
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:49:00 -
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also just to mention having said pvp on off option would invite alot more people to the game due to it not being such a hostile game. it may not be in the opertunists advantage but deffenitely one to ccp
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Goat Holdings
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:20:00 -
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No. (Find another game if you don't like this one.)
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:23:00 -
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i said constructive love the game hate the pvpers ccp doesnt make the game because they love the people that play it or rather asmuch as they love to give us a game to play im sure theyd love the bigger paycheck at the end of the month
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:29:00 -
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There already is one, but it might be a bit hard to find. It looks like this:
àok, technically, you're still subject to PvP even without clicking that one, so to really turn PvP off, you need to avoid clicking this button:
Here's the problem with your idea: you are already PvPing. That mining you think is PvE? It's not ù it's pure PvP. Everything you do is PvP. If you want to switch PvP off in a game such as this, you must also no longer be allowed to do any of the things where you can affect other players by your non-PvP:ing. This meansà
+ You can obviously no longer lock any player ship. + You can no longer activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. + You can no longer use the market, contracts or the trading window. + You can no longer access or manage POSes and their services. + You can no longer mine. + You can no longer shoot rats. + You can no longer open any kind of container in space. + You can no longer use the on-board scanner or scan probes. + You can no longer be in a fleet. + You can no longer use salvagers. + You can no longer access the industry interface. + You can no longer access player-sovereign systems. + You can no longer access free-floating permanent sites in space. + àand probably many more that I can't think of now.
ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:38:00 -
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ah interesting reason why not but completely moot to what im talking about. ok if you wanna go there pvp as in player manipulation of non combative interaction between players is everything your talking about all id like not to have to participate is in the player to player combat
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Azhpol
Gallente Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:42:00 -
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Lets not forget that CCP has even defined simply using the market as a form of pvp, so, with the removal of ship spinning, there is NO non-pvp activity left in EvE. This is a pvp game, every aspect of it is designed to force you to compete with other players.
Only PvP off button there will ever be is biomass ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main! |
Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:54:00 -
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Cloaking device = PvP flag.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:54:00 -
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You're not getting any BANG for your buck with THAT suggestion. -
I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew... |
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 10:56:00 -
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the only people who would miss a little bang for thier buck would be the pvpers havnt heard any real negatives yet as it only seems pvpers are the ones replying anyways waiting for a few carebears to catch the post
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:09:00 -
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See, I am not a big fan of PvE due to not really having any interest in shooting NPCs and not having time to grind ISK for hours every day. Let's make a deal: I give you a no PvP option (I won't shoot you), and you give me a no PvE option (you send me your ISK so I can buy ships). ---
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:44:00 -
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This is a PvP game that leaves room for PvE'ing... It's not a PvE game leaving room for pvp'ing. You are free to play the game how you like however you should consider adapting yourself to the game instead of suggesting the game adapt to you.
Some times I feel new guys should start in lowsec because Eve in spite of having more people and bigger fleets in lowsec and 0.0 have become rather soft. -
I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew... |
Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.25 11:45:00 -
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high SP carebear here... for proof, see my in-game decorations.
I think Tippia put it fairly well as to why you can't have a "no PVP!" flag. This game is a sandbox, you can do whatever you want ... but so can that other guy who just blasted you.
What CCP has provided us with is merely a framework of a game. Essentially, they gave us the playground, complete with sand-castle tools, a jungle-gym, and "Parents" (CONCORD).
After that it's up to us to decide how to have fun.
Maybe Tippia wants to play tag. Maybe you want to build a sand castle (complete with a moat full of alligators). Maybe Abdiel wants to take a bucket of Army Men, and invade your castle...
The "Parents" are there to keep order (insofar as where they can see... i.e. hisec), so if Abidel stomps all over your castle for no reason, he'll be punished... BUT if they know that's part of the game between you and him (i.e. WARDEC), it's "oh, they're playing together... isn't that nice?"
Eventually, the idea is that we'll all "grow up", leave the "safety" of the "playground" (hisec) and start running around in the field/woods (low/null) making up even bigger games (capture the flag, paintball, whatever) to entertain ourselves...
Sure, we can always come back to the playground (all those games always had a "base" or "safe spot" anyway) ...
Now, that's our "playground" with the PVP flag on...
EVE with the "no PVP" flag on would be like going to said playground ... but not being allowed to play in the sandbox, or the jungle-gym, or in the field/woods ...
wouldn't be very fun for very long, would it? =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Renegade22 on 25/08/2011 12:03:49 you make a great point velicitia and i agree with alot of what you say but as you put it at the end it may not be fun for long but then neither is hiding in hi sec being a loner without the backup of a fleet or big enough corp to help defend its members hi sec is where im stranded unless i dont mind being iskless and shipless, missions are fun and all but they get a little repetative and also the main reason behing my idea is my dream ship ( being a gallente ) is to one day own and cruise around in a thanatos or nyx but im not aloud to drive them in hi sec so its an untouchable dream
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Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:06:00 -
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eve login = pvp on eve logoff = pvp off
its already built in
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:30:00 -
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well apart from Velicitia's interesting turn on the way eve is i havnt heard any reasons why it would be a bad thing im sure not alot of people would choose to have nothing to do with pvp but atleast there would be that option there for those of us that love eve apart from a very few aspects
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Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Renegade22 Edited by: Renegade22 on 25/08/2011 12:03:49 you make a great point velicitia and i agree with alot of what you say but as you put it at the end it may not be fun for long but then neither is hiding in hi sec being a loner without the backup of a fleet or big enough corp to help defend its members hi sec is where im stranded unless i dont mind being iskless and shipless, missions are fun and all but they get a little repetative and also the main reason behing my idea is my dream ship ( being a gallente ) is to one day own and cruise around in a thanatos or nyx but im not aloud to drive them in hi sec so its an untouchable dream
no PVP means "missions only" (really). You're living in your original idea right now.... and (this'll sound harsh) you're playing EVE "wrong".
Based on your employment info, you've just gotten yourself into a med-sized corporation .. in a med/large alliance by the looks of it... give it some time and you'll probably be able to reach those goals.... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:17:00 -
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All the arguments about this is a PvP game and you're doing it wrong aside, there is a major drawback to allowing some characters to opt out of being shot.
This option, if implemented, would allow alliances and corporations to create completely risk free logistics chains to wherever they wanted. Put the no-PvP alt in a no-PvP corporation, give him a freighter and watch in horror as he plods everywhere and anywhere refueling POS's with impunity, repping modules.
Or how about no-PvP ninja looters? They can steal my mission objectives, and I can't do anything about it, because they cannot be shot. Poor me, I'm just SOL.
Or you mix no-PvP folks in with PvP folks in a fleet. Now the FC doesn't know who to call primary because half the guys on the opposite team can't be shot.
The fact of the matter is, Eve players are inventive, and what seems like a simple idea to you (oh hey, no one can shoot me while I mission) WILL (not may) be used in ways that were never imagined by you or the devs to give people who ARE pvp'ing an advantage. --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:17:00 -
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true Velicitia without pvp it'll killing rats same as in missions but the difference being the difficulty of those rats in missions is based on the lvl of mission hit a lvl 5 and ill be back in low sec the difference between ratting and missioning is the quality of lowsec/null sec drops wh rats etc things i cant touch yet and i dont wann ahve to bed the corp to come with me everytime i wanna hit a low sec area and bsides which togs a great corp but theres never more then 3-6 people on at one time lately and alot of those poeple are the same as me carebears
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:22:00 -
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hey De'Veldrin completely didnt think of those sorts of exploits maybe then the best idea is a pve server? its the only way to avoid any of those sorts of exploits and confusion im not in any way trying to say eve is flawed in my view because of pvp etc but as i said i place a little value on the items/ships i spend alot of time and rl money trying to obtain maybe if ccp considered it they would see alot more people interested in the game as losing a ship can be a real turn off playing sometimes
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Renegade22 all id like not to have to participate is in the player to player combat
The problem is that you can't separate that from the other offensive acts you take against other players. Yes, you outmine the other guy. To combat this, he only has the option of blowing you up. You are trying to rob him of this option, which means restricting his gameplay and giving you an advantage that he cannot compensate for. This completely throws out any semblance of balance the game has and will pretty much break the game.
Everything you do affects everyone else. Therefore, everyone else must be able to affect you back, and they must be able to do so in ways where you don't have the advantage. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Renegade22 hey De'Veldrin completely didnt think of those sorts of exploits maybe then the best idea is a pve server? its the only way to avoid any of those sorts of exploits and confusion im not in any way trying to say eve is flawed in my view because of pvp etc but as i said i place a little value on the items/ships i spend alot of time and rl money trying to obtain maybe if ccp considered it they would see alot more people interested in the game as losing a ship can be a real turn off playing sometimes
The most serious issue with a PVE only server is that there would be no reason to PvE. No one would lose any ships or modules, so there would be no market factors driving production. PvE players and PvP players, despite the most rabid sychophants of both sides, cannot exist without one another. Both are necessary for the game to work, because it IS a sandbox. --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:37:00 -
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The concept of Eve is Risc & Reward - if you want to remove the risc you are removing everything Eve stands for... If you want to play Space Solitaire without interruption you can play the game as intended and EARN it. -
I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew... |
Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:48:00 -
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theres plenty of other mmos where pve doesnt effect the popularity of it and i nearly lost my rattlesnake the other day to a few elite rats was warped scrambled while being hammered by cruisers and battleships got out by the hair of my teeth and about 3000 hull health left and that was only a lvl 4 mission so people would still lose ships there would still be a market for them and modules people would travel to nullsec together in groups as players do in pve mmo's trying to get all those elite modules with the possability of still losing your ships ccp could just amp up the ai/dps of rats to compensate for the lack of gankers and if people join it and figure they dont like it? tranquility will still be there
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Killer Gandry
Caldari Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:52:00 -
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After years in EVE I can tell you that a PvP on/off button is the one thing which will get abused the most.
I will turn off my PvP option on an alt and I have the perfect spy for any situation. He/she can't be attacked but heck, the information that alt can gather anywhere is more valuable than anything else.
Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life. |
Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:54:00 -
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true iv abandoned the on off button in favour of a pve server
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.25 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Renegade22 theres plenty of other mmos where pve doesnt effect the popularity of it
àand EVE is not a part of that subset of games.
PvP is as much a requirement here as it is in Counter Strike ù without the PvP, the game would simply cease to exist. It would be something completely different from EVE (and there are plenty of games that will fit the bill here), and for that reason, EVE cannot turn into that game.
If you want that gameplay, then those plentiful other games are what you're looking for, not EVE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Renegade22
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:03:00 -
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ah but theres nothing like eve without the pvp
if they were to make a pve server then what would be the ditrimental effect to tranquility? im not asking them to change anything about tranquility only that they could add a pvp server with harder rats thats all im asking for now being an ideas forum im only hoping to find out what people interested in joining it think but there doesnt seem to be alot of people online right now that are interested in it >< either thats a sign or its the wrong time of night!
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 25/08/2011 14:14:55
Originally by: Renegade22 ah but theres nothing like eve without the pvp
That's because EVE can't exist without it. It comes inherently and indivisibly with the concept.
Quote: if they were to make a pve server
àthey would have to create a completely new game from the bottom up. Something that is not EVE. Some art assets might carry over, but pretty much everything else would have to be rewritten. This would be detrimental because it would pull resources away from an already resource-strapped EVE.
Again: that is really the core of the matter ù you don't want to play EVE. I would suggest you go look at X3 instead. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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