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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.28 01:33:00 - [31] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Makya Cha'tima It gets worse: There is actually people buying the stuff for $80. I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game. So, it's a bad idea because no one would buy expensive clothes but it's even worse because people are actually buying the clothes? There is just no arguing with some of you. There's an explanation to all of this: monocle envy
Alu Utukku	Posted - 2011.08.28 05:35:00 - [32] this really makes me think the nex vehicle should have a balancing effect. for instance: monocle costs 80$. for 160$ you could by the equivalent of an ice cream scoop with sharp edges to harvest said monocle from corpse. after collecting 10 of them, you now have a monocle of your very own. same goes for tailor scissors to cut the 1000$ jeans from similar corpse. this may require a slight change to avatars though, as they would, now need 'fitting' slots, or holsters of some kind... wtb eye scream scoop holster.
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.08.28 06:32:00 - [33] Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 28/08/2011 06:33:20 Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Welcome to the 3 months ago. If all you're going to do is jump on a bandwagon then good riddance. Yeah I see that. Did some more reading I guess this is all settled down now. I read that they flew the CSM out to Iceland and showed them their vanity item plans. I'm late to this party I missed all the fun. Anyhow the monocles are still wrong, wrong, wrong at any price point above $10 at most. It's very likely future vanity items will be tacky. Cash shops in other games tend to add a lot of sparkles and flames and oversized crap to the vanity items. I wonder, will vanity sparkles for your ship ever be an option?
mentalkiller Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.08.28 14:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Makya Cha'tima It gets worse: There is actually people buying the stuff for $80. I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game. So, it's a bad idea because no one would buy expensive clothes but it's even worse because people are actually buying the clothes? There is just no arguing with some of you. There's an explanation to all of this: monocle envy Lol
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.08.28 14:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Trixie Stardust Here's an analogy.. let's say I walk into a shop and the prices are insanely high, and insult to injury the merch isn't even real but rather I only get a digital picture of a monocle or ladies' skirt. The picture of the real thing costs $50 or $80. I tell the shopkeep hey that's crazy, you're selling real t-shirts in your old shop for less than that. And then the store owner comes back with the argument that if I want to be fashionable and cool in the virtual world, I'll pay top dollar to prove it. I think I'd walk right out of that shop. Especially seeing as how the products aren't real, and in no way comparable to their physical counterparts. Avatar clothes don't require cotton grown by farmers and shipped over the ocean to be made into clothing then back across the ocean and on through a web of distribution systems and retailers. Virtual items have none of these costs.. as a fair comparison, take a look at Second Life. Artists in SL create top notch virtual clothes and everything else, what's available in SL blows away any clothes Eve or WOD will ever have. Yet at most the very best quality designs will run you $4 to $8 for an outfit. These independent creator-sellers don't have the volume that Eve does -- so if anything, an Eve cash shop should be cheaper. But certainly not more than $5 at most for a monocle or plain gray skirt. This cash shop thing is so bizarre it's surely a PR stunt? It can't be real.. I haven't logged in, are the monocles still $80 or whatever? I believe that the pricing of NeX store comes directly from Hilmar himself. If you look some interviews he has given, you find that he likes to talk about saving the earth by moving real life consumer goods to virtual enviroment. I believe that he has somewhat lost the touch, but... it is just my opinnion. Reading any interview by hilmar or soundwave just makes me sad nowdays so been trying to avoid 'em lately. --- This is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.08.28 19:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Ai Mei Dear op, you really need to stop reading the forums. There is not a single reasonable person on here cept for Akita T. Also, if you ask real players and not forum whiners, you will find, no one really cares about the 63 buck monocle, or any of the other items in there. CCP can go ape with all the clothes they want. The only reason players are mad, is because, CCP spent more time on spending money on development of clothes and the game. IF you read dev blogs from last year, CCP outsourced their incarna clothing development to fashion companies in a combination of their own staff, rather than working on internet spaceships. Now you might ask why dont most people care? They are vanity items, as long as ccp doesnt sell game changing items, like 18 wheeler truck launchers for minmatar dont care. Keep game altering items out of the nex store and the community wont have a problem. I disagree. What upsets me is that we are paying CCP to playtest new software and pricing models for an upcoming, different game.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.28 22:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Bklyn 1 What upsets me is that we are paying CCP to playtest new software and pricing models for an upcoming, different game. No. You are not paying CCP to test anything. You pay CCP to play the already available game. When you pay CCP you aren't investing on their future products or your future, for that matter. Your payment is NOT an investment. Your payment is for a present service that you can either accept or choose to discontinue. Should you choose to pay them, you need to realize that it is no longer in ANY WAY your money demand how they spend it. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Revajin Gallente 15 Minute Outliers	Posted - 2011.08.28 23:00:00 - [38] Yet another carebear who missed the entire point of the 1000 dollar jeans statement. There are rich people in the world who can afford 1000 dollar jeans. Rich people own jeans that range in price up and over 5000 dollars in fact. Why do they buy these things? 1. They can. 2. It's a symbol of status. What's the difference between expensive jeans and cheap ones? Usually nothing of practical value. The material is probably slightly better or it was created be a famous designer but the 1000 dollar price tag is significantly larger than the cost to make it. Yet the rich and famous purchase these expensive jeans because to have them is to express their value and level in society. For them 5000 dollar jeans might be the same hit to their wallet as 50 dollar jeans are to yours. EVE is no different. Just because you lack the wealth to purchase 1000 dollar jeans doesn't mean nobody else does, and in EVE you might not have the wealth to buy a 70 dollar/1 billion isk monocle. But other, richer players might. Some content in the cash shop will cater to more indulgent lifestyles just as in real life some stores cater to richer lifestyles. If you're butthurt about the notion of there being haves and havenots in your mmo I'd suggest trying a different game. If you go into a designer store and complain that the 1000 dollar price tag on those jeans isn't justified they'll just tell you that you don't have to buy them. And if you complain that they should lower the price on them because it's too out of your price range they'll laugh at you.
Ehdward Caldari Nex Exercitus Raiden.	Posted - 2011.08.29 00:24:00 - [39] If monocles are overpriced, anyone who buys them is an idiot. Since you're not laughing at their wasted money, you either don't understand what vanity and novelty are, or you are envious of monocle owners. Inciting envy is kind of the point, isn't it? I guess vanity items just worked too well.
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.08.29 00:59:00 - [40] Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:03:59 Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:01:07 Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:00:26 Originally by: Grey Stormshadow I believe that the pricing of NeX store comes directly from Hilmar himself. If you look some interviews he has given, you find that he likes to talk about saving the earth by moving real life consumer goods to virtual enviroment. I believe that he has somewhat lost the touch, but... it is just my opinnion. Well.. he's actually right about that. Second Life was a pioneer here. This works in SL, and it seems fair because it's the player base creating the objects and selling them in a free market. I wouldn't say it has anything to do with being ecological, more that we've reached an end to growth in the world. In the future, the only way to keep living a consumerist lifestyle will be to transfer this activity into virtual living. Big picture philosophically I get that. What CCP is doing wrong here is charging ten times more than what they should for this crap. A skirt in real life costs $15 at Walmart. I don't want to hear stupid crap about Eve being a "fancy boutique brand" and therefore their monocle is worth $80, that just makes me feel insulted as a customer. There's just no justification for an eve skirt to cost $30. There are $80 items in Second Life by the way, but these are massive builds -- fancy yachts, hundreds of hours of work involved there and it's all scripted and top notch quality so I can understand when the cost of a virtual good has some relation to the labor involved. Here's what CCP should have done.. Use the clothes as a way to add a new gameplay element. Second Life has done it so it can't be rocket science.. CCP could have made a system where the clothes would be crowd-sourced. Unleash the creativity of the players. Find some happy medium with profit sharing, maybe a 70-30% ratio. Then everyone would be happy: (a) the clothes would be far better than what CCP can do on their own, (b) creative players could make money, (c) it would be a free market, with the market setting the price.. everyone could be happy. But no, rather than be groundbreaking and innovative they went for a standard cash-grab cash shop -- and far worse, they made national news over their $80 monocle greed.

Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.08.29 01:26:00 - [41] Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:27:40 Originally by: Revajin If you're butthurt about the notion of there being haves and havenots in your mmo I'd suggest trying a different game. Nice try. Sorry dude, if I want to play a slot machine I can go to Vegas and have more fun and a small chance of actually winning some money back. There's nothing you can say to make me feel good about your Farmville-style cash grabbing gaming model. It's lame and it sucks and smart people realize this. And another thing.. You must understand that THEY are the corporation and YOU are the consumer. If you enable them, the bean counters will only push the envelope further.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire	Posted - 2011.08.29 01:34:00 - [42] playing dressup in an area which is only for you.. has no added value what so ever. and even if others could see you. it still has no added value. And ccp insults the player that we are actualy being stupid if you buy something. this is just an milking cow . to drain the so far loyal customers of more money. thats what its all about. nothing more. anyway my best guess is that most of the EVE players inst to stupid to play dressup. or spend money on them.. Do not click this ad.
Asmodeus Et'Mort Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.08.29 01:37:00 - [43] well the bean counters must be concerned, since the end of jan this year there has been a massive fall in the daily average players, from a peak of nearly 43k in january there has been a steady decline of nearly 10k active players online. nearly a 25% decline in the daily average lost since january. Sadly it feels like SWG all over again, in 18 months eve will be ftp and the game i love will have died.
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.08.29 02:06:00 - [44] Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 02:09:11 Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 02:08:27 Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 02:07:27 Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort well the bean counters must be concerned, since the end of jan this year there has been a massive fall in the daily average players, from a peak of nearly 43k in january there has been a steady decline of nearly 10k active players online. nearly a 25% decline in the daily average lost since january. Sadly it feels like SWG all over again, in 18 months eve will be ftp and the game i love will have died. What they should have done was expand the game. I guess the standard MMO model is that all these games have a limited lifespan. But Eve players are different, they're dedicated. CCP could have grown the game rather than ramp up half-baked and insanely priced alternate revenue enhancement. What they should have done.. 1. Dust should have been developed for the PC too. Fully integrate the two, the old plan with the planet fights tied into the space game. I'm a bit bored with Eve, I would have liked something different and I would have played a planetside game for a while. If Eve kept growing, I'd never cancel my sub. 2. Ambulation should have been bigger. Instead of an $80 monocle, there should be $80 instanced apartments / corp offices for in Jita. That would be a real status symbol for the ISK rich. I could get into that, a view of Jita would be nice. Maybe a poker game with friends. I'm not against these new ideas in principle, clothes / luxury accessories and ambulation could be fun if it didn't suck. 3. There should be Dust-style combat on the stations. So much room for growth and new ideas in this game. If only they had made Dust for PC too and integrated it into Eve it would have breathed new life into the game.
Forum Worrier	Posted - 2011.08.29 02:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Trixie Stardust What they should have done.. Don't give up your day job. Oh wait, you don't have one, otherwise you wouldn't be so jealous.
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.08.29 03:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Forum Worrier Originally by: Trixie Stardust What they should have done.. Don't give up your day job. Oh wait, you don't have one, otherwise you wouldn't be so jealous. Where's your monocle? Oh, you don't have one. Friggin 1.5 billion ISK vanity monocles and virtual shirts that cost more than a real shirt. I have enough ISK to buy one of these monocles but I'm not an idiot.. I am NOT fashion conscious, I won't wear $1,000 Japanese skinnyjeans and I WILL NEVER buy one of these $80 monocles even if they lowered the price to $5. Here, I'll simulate wearing a virtual $80 monocle: Wow, my life is so different now that I'm "high status." This is great CCP. Can you charge me a thousand dollars for something, I want to feel uber high status.
buee Gallente Valor Inc. Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.08.29 04:34:00 - [47] My problem with the overpriced digital items isn't that they're our of most player's pricerange, its that it sets a model for incarna that really disapoints me. I had hoped that Incarna would follow eve's current model of a player run market, but instead what we have is an item store which will require you to deposite your hard earned cash just to participate. Incarna is nothing but an item mall theme park. I am so utterly disapointed...
Zoe Ardent	Posted - 2011.08.29 07:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Saint Lazarus Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600. well then you can say that a fancy pair of pants costs more than a tenth of a titan
Farmer Kamikaze	Posted - 2011.08.29 08:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Trixie Stardust I love a good one liner, never seen a one monacler before. Had me giggling all the way to work. Almost makes this whole debacle worthwhile. The most succinct summary I have seen of anything.
Megara Chanadyne	Posted - 2011.08.29 09:51:00 - [50] Originally by: buee My problem with the overpriced digital items isn't that they're our of most player's pricerange, its that it sets a model for incarna that really disapoints me. I had hoped that Incarna would follow eve's current model of a player run market, but instead what we have is an item store which will require you to deposite your hard earned cash just to participate. Incarna is nothing but an item mall theme park. I am so utterly disapointed... Full agree.

Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.29 10:51:00 - [51] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 29/08/2011 10:51:17 Originally by: Sgt Maru Don't forget the $100,000 razor Linkage "How do you inaugurate a new era of technology û not an incremental step forward, but a quantum leap" And here I thought the quantum world was quite small... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.29 10:57:00 - [52] Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 10:58:27 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs "How do you inaugurate a new era of technology û not an incremental step forward, but a quantum leap" And here I thought the quantum world was quite small... That's just because copy writers don't talk language no good. I think it's a job requirement or some such, considering how common a problem it is. Oh, and OP: don't worry. CCP have since confirmed that people who buy monocles are, officially, suckers. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.29 11:25:00 - [53] Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 29/08/2011 11:29:01 Originally by: Trixie Stardust Where's your monocle? Quack Quack Quack Quack quack 1.5 billion ISK vanity monocles cost more than a real shirt quack quack . Quack quack CCP. Can you charge me a thousand dollars for something, Quack quack quack. This is what I am hearing. Why are there so many threads rants trolls and rages about something that you admit yourself has NO EFFECT on your ability in the game? Are you so blind as to not see that a) The E-Rich in Eve dont waste time with RL money to buy their Monocles? and that b) Unlike you some people do like to look at their characters. This is not a troll, or an attempt to annoy you personally, but it is yet another call to you and your ilk to wake up, wise up and understand that some people in the world like to wear crap to look pretty. I dont but Im BLIND IN ONE EYE so actually, Id love a monocle or the gogs. The monocle crowd have enough isk to waste so why shouldnt they have something that makes them feel better for having? I dont wear jewelry in RL but Im not runing around saying that diamond and gold merchants are trolling the world with their worthless wares. In short, if you dont care about how your character looks, why dont you just have a blacked-out portrait. Also, if you are so worried abolut wastes of money, how did you forget to unsubscribe? Thats a large waste right there. Or have you money to burn?
Revajin Gallente 15 Minute Outliers	Posted - 2011.08.29 11:28:00 - [54] Originally by: Trixie Stardust Nice try. Sorry dude, if I want to play a slot machine I can go to Vegas and have more fun and a small chance of actually winning some money back. There's nothing you can say to make me feel good about your Farmville-style cash grabbing gaming model. It's lame and it sucks and smart people realize this. And another thing.. You must understand that THEY are the corporation and YOU are the consumer. If you enable them, the bean counters will only push the envelope further. My intention wasn't to make you feel good about the model, and I do understand that they are the corporation and I am the consumer. That's why I don't try to tell them how to run their business. If they offer a service to me that I do not like, I simply don't give them the money. I don't care about space fashion so I put no money into it. The EVE community, ahem, some in the EVE forum community, believes that CCP is somehow obligated to cater to their whims because they pay a subscription fee to download a client and access a server that CCP provides. Let me paint you a picture. You have a rather sizeable front yard, it has lots of trees, some hedges, rosebushes, the works. You don't really care too much about how it looks, you just want to make sure everything stays green. So you hire a lawn maintenance service who once a month comes to your home and performs maintenance. They kill pests, fertilize, remove weeds, etc. Lets say you pay 50 bucks a month. One day the guy who runs the lawn maintenance company gives you a brochure that announces they will soon be offering landscaping services as well. You say, ok I don't really care. A few weeks later he gives you an updated price sheet, your fee hasn't changed but the cost of landscaping is 200 dollars on top of what you already pay should you want that. Do you lose your mind and complain that this is wrong? Do you expect him to change the price of the landscaping fee just because you don't like it? Do you whine that by possible landscaping another person's lawn that they're taking effort away from your regular lawn maintenance? Do you expect him to give up landscaping altogether because you don't feel its necessary for your lawn? A normal person wouldn't. Because it's his company. He gets to decide the price and services. He didn't say you had to buy the stuff you didn't care about. The price of the stuff you did care about didn't change. But alas, the damage is done already. You're outraged that this optional service is offered at a high price. You go to the other houses in the neighborhood and tell them all that if they hire that guy for lawn maintenance they should tell him they don't want him to offer landscaping. If any of your neighbors have already bought the package you insist they're just enabling his corporate greed. You're so mad in fact that you fire him, you cancel your service with the company. A normal person might not like the company for the new practices and would cancel and leave it at that. But you're outraged, so you send him emails all the time complaining about the price, when he's in the neighborhood doing somebodies lawn you come over and yell at his workers, maybe you even shout death threats or say you wish they all got cancer. You start a blog on the internet to talk about how mad you are. You and some friends go out to the fountain in your yard and sit around all day shooting at it with supersoakers. When people ask what you're doing, you say you're boycotting the lawn maintenance company. Anyone who disagrees with you is clearly delusional or dumb. When I say you, I don't mean you specifically, I mean those on the forums who have lost their minds over this issue. I realize this could be construed as me trying to insult you, that was not my intent.
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.29 11:35:00 - [55] Originally by: Revajin I have just explained it. What he said. Just what I meant, but he said it more sensibly. +1 to you man.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.08.29 11:36:00 - [56] The player base went to great lengths to tell CCP, "NO MICROTRANSACTIONS" CCP said, "Oh sure! No micro transactions!" [ Australian players join channel ANZAC ]
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.29 11:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Mara Rinn The player base went to great lengths to tell CCP, "NO MICROTRANSACTIONS" CCP said, "Oh sure! No micro transactions!" As everything costs isk, and isk can be bought with RM, this is a non-issue.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.29 11:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar As everything costs isk, and isk can be bought with RM, this is a non-issue. àexcept that that's not a microtransaction, and that no, not everything costs ISK. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.08.29 12:04:00 - [59] OP, in Australia a bank did the very same thing: http://www.theage.com.au/business/westpac-goes-bananas-on-rate-rise-20091208-khn0.html They nearly went bankrupt because of it
Mordenn G'Kar	Posted - 2011.08.29 12:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar As everything costs isk, and isk can be bought with RM, this is a non-issue. àexcept that that's not a microtransaction, and that no, not everything costs ISK. What doesnt?



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