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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.27 13:06:00 -
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I've been away from Eve.. keep forgetting to cancel my sub.. saw this whole Nex store controversy in the news. Then saw this dev blog:
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Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.
First of all, most Eve subscribers don't wear $1,000 boutique Japanese jeans. This is so ludicrous words defy me.. what happened to Eve, are the players now "fashion conscious" to the extent they'll pay $80 to dress their avatar in a designer outfit?
And who wears $1,000 Japanese jeans? Has the whole world gone crazy?
Here's an analogy.. let's say I walk into a shop and the prices are insanely high, and insult to injury the merch isn't even real but rather I only get a digital picture of a monocle or ladies' skirt. The picture of the real thing costs $50 or $80. I tell the shopkeep hey that's crazy, you're selling real t-shirts in your old shop for less than that. And then the store owner comes back with the argument that if I want to be fashionable and cool in the virtual world, I'll pay top dollar to prove it.
I think I'd walk right out of that shop. Especially seeing as how the products aren't real, and in no way comparable to their physical counterparts. Avatar clothes don't require cotton grown by farmers and shipped over the ocean to be made into clothing then back across the ocean and on through a web of distribution systems and retailers.
Virtual items have none of these costs.. as a fair comparison, take a look at Second Life. Artists in SL create top notch virtual clothes and everything else, what's available in SL blows away any clothes Eve or WOD will ever have. Yet at most the very best quality designs will run you $4 to $8 for an outfit. These independent creator-sellers don't have the volume that Eve does -- so if anything, an Eve cash shop should be cheaper. But certainly not more than $5 at most for a monocle or plain gray skirt.
This cash shop thing is so bizarre it's surely a PR stunt? It can't be real.. I haven't logged in, are the monocles still $80 or whatever?
To the Dev who wrote the above blog, I'm sorry but I don't want to be virtually fashionable anymore than I would wear $1,000 Japanese jeans in real life. I'm sorry, but it's expensive enough keeping up with the Jones's in the real world, I for one actually can't afford to pay for the most fashionable $80 monocles in your internet spaceship game.
This isn't all lols.. we're talking significant money for a pixel monocle, sold by a company who seems to think the high price itself constitutes value, as if they're some boutique on Rodeo Drive. But you know what I can get a REAL LIFE steampunk monocle, made of real brass, created by a real life artist for less money than what you're charging.
Bottom line.. if you just stick to making a good game, the money will follow. Cash shops are bad enough, but if you're going to do it then the price has to be right and the quality has to be fantastic, otherwise your customers will feel gouged.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.08.27 13:09:00 -
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Welcome to the New Eve Online. Where now its not what should I fit to my Magathron, but what outfit best complements my Megathron.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:06:00 -
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The Megathron actually looks like a pair of jeans, now that I think about it.
:tinfoil:
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:10:00 -
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If only you had been keeping up with the forums you could have saved yourself the time it took to type that verbose complaint letter.
Slade
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Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:12:00 -
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I could afford stacks of them, but agree completely with the original post. Focus on making a good game, not adding features that displace gameplay.
I have no issue with vanity content, but instead of having it pop into existence by shoveling money to ccp, it should be manufactured or found in game. CCP has over leveraged Eve to produce two other mmo's which aren't out yet. So any time CCP mentions that they need the extra income, call their bluff, we the players DO deserve better, everything CCP is today has come from Eve online income.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:14:00 -
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tl;dr
Yes, they crazy/desperate.
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Makya Cha'tima
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:15:00 -
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It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80. 
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:28:00 -
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i like to wear $1000 japanese glitterpants
they are really comfy too. why wouldn't you not want to wear them? 
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:38:00 -
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Dear op,
you really need to stop reading the forums. There is not a single reasonable person on here cept for Akita T.
Also, if you ask real players and not forum whiners, you will find, no one really cares about the 63 buck monocle, or any of the other items in there. CCP can go ape with all the clothes they want.
The only reason players are mad, is because, CCP spent more time on spending money on development of clothes and the game. IF you read dev blogs from last year, CCP outsourced their incarna clothing development to fashion companies in a combination of their own staff, rather than working on internet spaceships. Now you might ask why dont most people care? They are vanity items, as long as ccp doesnt sell game changing items, like 18 wheeler truck launchers for minmatar dont care. Keep game altering items out of the nex store and the community wont have a problem.
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:39:00 -
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What news articles havnt explained is how its not 80$ it is in fact 1.5 billion space credits.
Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600.
No one buys them for $$$, people sell PLEX's for ISK (as has been going on for years) only now people who feel like buyin PLEX can use it for more than just their sub.
TL DR: Their RL $$$ conversion is as meaningless as any other in game item. People (rich in game people) buy them with ISK.
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
What news articles havnt explained is how its not 80$ it is in fact 1.5 billion space credits.
Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600.
No one buys them for $$$, people sell PLEX's for ISK (as has been going on for years) only now people who feel like buyin PLEX can use it for more than just their sub.
TL DR: Their RL $$$ conversion is as meaningless as any other in game item. People (rich in game people) buy them with ISK.
^this
My only gripe about it is that it has pulled ccp's development focus away from the pew.
But I suppose ccp has to find the money somewhere for the development of dust and wod.
So how does it feel to be funding games you most likely could care less about at the expense of eves core development? 
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the op
Amarr
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:53:00 -
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What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?
I really don't give a **** what other people think about what I wear in RL so why would I give a **** about people's impressions of my eve avatars?
You must be really deluded, shallow, or just trolling us to think the majority of the players are like that. I would however buy tinfoil hats, side burns and fake ginger mustache.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:03:00 -
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OP: Did you even read what you quoted?
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Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
Do you even know WTF you're wailing about??
Jesus....move on.
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:36:00 -
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I totally agree with, my thread is in my signature on this topic as well.
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Tenaz Famaroom
Liberation Army
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:37:00 -
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ha
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Information Agent
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:44:00 -
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Heh, when that blog came out I showed it to the marketting department where I work. Out of the 23 people in the office at the time, 17 were just gobsmacked at the ridiculously unproffessional and 'out of touch' nature of it (several citing the global recession as a good reason not to write stuff like that blog) and the other 6 thought it was some sort of 'April fools' joke to mess with the players.
All I can say is that it gave me a serious laugh until I realized it was a serious blog.
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Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:47:00 -
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Welcome back. Whilst you were away CCP lost their marbles.
CCP Soundwave thinks its cool though. :/
C.
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Four OfThree
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.08.27 18:14:00 -
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To the original poster - stop making sense ...this is the NEW EVE
Heading for "The Door" 12/10/2011 |
Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.08.27 19:44:00 -
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This is a great post, CCP needs to read this.
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Quafe Tee = ~680M ISK
Black Skirt = ~480M ISK
High Heels = ~450M ISK
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Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.08.27 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Four OfThree
To the original poster - stop making sense ...this is the NEW EVE
Your animated signature "Head for the door" is a very accurate visualization of how slowly my character is working in the CQ.
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Quafe Tee = ~680M ISK
Black Skirt = ~480M ISK
High Heels = ~450M ISK
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Makya Cha'tima
It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80.
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
There's an upside to this.
At least they are not donating the money to insane political movements.
Now of course, some may argue that not all political movements are insane. But if you picked the most moderate movement and had millions of people start donating to it, then that movement will become corrupted and insane because it will attract the kind of people who are insane and corrupt things.
Therefore, when stupid people go spending disposable income on internet trinkets, it may well be a good thing after all. It's like seeing a teenager all "gothed up" right down to the black nail polish. Dumb, right? Perhaps. But that's better than teenagers in little pressed uniforms goose-stepping around looking to report on your for something. You can laugh at the former, but have to fear the later.
Good job, CCP.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Trixie Stardust
I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.
First of all, most Eve subscribers don't wear $1,000 boutique Japanese jeans.
Really? THAT is your argument?
It's an analogy you fool, and a good one at that. He's not saying you wear them. I mean my god, I've seen people whine about that line before, wrongly I will again emphasize, but no one has been stupid enough to try and use that argument against it.
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:28:00 -
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Welcome to the 3 months ago. If all you're going to do is jump on a bandwagon then good riddance.
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Trainwreck McGee
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:53:00 -
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This is the comment that made me realize that there are people working for CCP that are seriously delusional.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.27 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 27/08/2011 22:07:38
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
What news articles havnt explained is how its not 80$ it is in fact 1.5 billion space credits.
Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600.
No one buys them for $$$, people sell PLEX's for ISK (as has been going on for years) only now people who feel like buyin PLEX can use it for more than just their sub.
TL DR: Their RL $$$ conversion is as meaningless as any other in game item. People (rich in game people) buy them with ISK.
Mhm. Let's follow the chain of causation from the beginning.
Clothes only enter the game when bought for PLEX. They can be bought second-hand for ISK on the market, but the initial purchase on the NEX is always in PLEX. AUR should not be thought of as a separate unit, they are fractions of a PLEX much like cents are fractions of a dollar. PLEX only enters the game when bought for real money (Game Time Code conversion). Plex can be bought second-hand for ISK, but the initial purchase of game time is always for real money (whether dollars or euros or what have you) .
Thus, the chain of purchase is:
$$$ --> PLEX (broken into AUR) ---> Clothes
That you personally bought some NEX item using ISK is irrelevant from the perspective of the game and of CCP's bottom line, because someone at some point paid CCP in real money to buy the original PLEX, which was broken into AUR, which was used to buy your NEX item from the NEX store. So clothes do have real monetary value, especially since unlike with any other item there is no need to covert PLEX or AUR into ISK to buy clothes: they can functionally be bought directly for PLEX.
That said, I don't think that the NEX store itself is problematic per se. I do think that creating a separate artificial currency for clothes was a silly idea, and that CCP should have instead simply sold clothing BPC "packs" directly for PLEX, which would have created actual meaningful gameplay for EVE's industrialists. More concerning is the possibility that CCP will feel compelled at some point to create a "real" cash shop, selling overpowered ships, modules and boosters directly for AUR; CCP has not always been successful in balancing items, and has been notorious for taking months or even years to make even minor balance changes. While it is currently possible to effectively buy any item in the game for cash, no-one is required to spend real cash at any point to buy any item. The NEX store, on the other hand, requires someone at some point to spend real money to buy game time and convert it to PLEX.
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Larton Dretta
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Posted - 2011.08.27 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Larton Dretta on 27/08/2011 22:58:52
wellcome to the new era in gameing, the social network, nobody gives a **** about you because it's the idiots that spend the money, either bend over or walk away, it's what most people will do when it all goes to ****, you know which gaming company is worth the most? Zynga, the creators of farmville. money's in the casual market and microtransactions. gaming's been going straight down the ****ter since the release of xbox live
if you haven't seen it yet, here's your ****ing future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPYdgy35KA
all you forums idiots whining about NEX and **** should wake the **** up, welcome to the real world
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AnzacPaul
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Larton Dretta
all you forums idiots whining about NEX and **** should wake the **** up, welcome to the real world
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Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.28 00:16:00 -
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Don't forget the $100,000 razor Linkage
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.28 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 28/08/2011 00:27:02
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 28/08/2011 00:23:00
Originally by: Larton Dretta
if you haven't seen it yet, here's your ****ing future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPYdgy35KA
all you forums idiots whining about NEX and **** should wake the **** up, welcome to the real world
Wow that video was sad.
I guess this really is the future of gaming, the Farmville slot machine model. To be fair, the PLEX system was innovative and brilliant. What's not brilliant are $63 monocles and hotpants.
I wouldn't have liked any cash shop at all. It's just not Eve, it doesn't look right. But if the stuff were sensibly priced at like $5 then I wouldn't have been mad enough to post on a forum about it. These are supposed to be *micro* transactions not *macro* transactions.
The $63 price point is insulting.
But I guess people are buying the stuff. I read somewhere that they sold 55 monocles in the first 40 hours. If that rate keeps up, that's $758,835 per year in extra revenue just from monocles.
What it comes down to is most players don't care, they won't quit. Some of us do care and don't even want to be a part of something like Farmville. I haven't even played Eve for months now. What I saw in the news was this cash shop thing, if I'd read about a major game expansion instead with new content then maybe I'd be playing the game now instead of griping on the forum.
I'm all played out with Eve it's not the monocles' fault, though new content could have lured me back. But a $63 cash shop just makes me sad, not want to play. And above all as a customer I'm insulted by the high prices and their roleplay answers for why a monocle that doesn't do anything and other people can't even see should cost a billion isk.
Oh well if I'm canceling my sub I need to shut up and let you guys enjoy your game. Before someone asks, no you can't have my stuff, I might come back one day. 
(p.s. when I cancel my sub I'm going to put the cash shop prices and lack of new game content as the reason)
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.28 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Makya Cha'tima
It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80.
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
So, it's a bad idea because no one would buy expensive clothes but it's even worse because people are actually buying the clothes?
There is just no arguing with some of you.
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