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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.27 13:06:00 -
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I've been away from Eve.. keep forgetting to cancel my sub.. saw this whole Nex store controversy in the news. Then saw this dev blog:
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Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.
First of all, most Eve subscribers don't wear $1,000 boutique Japanese jeans. This is so ludicrous words defy me.. what happened to Eve, are the players now "fashion conscious" to the extent they'll pay $80 to dress their avatar in a designer outfit?
And who wears $1,000 Japanese jeans? Has the whole world gone crazy?
Here's an analogy.. let's say I walk into a shop and the prices are insanely high, and insult to injury the merch isn't even real but rather I only get a digital picture of a monocle or ladies' skirt. The picture of the real thing costs $50 or $80. I tell the shopkeep hey that's crazy, you're selling real t-shirts in your old shop for less than that. And then the store owner comes back with the argument that if I want to be fashionable and cool in the virtual world, I'll pay top dollar to prove it.
I think I'd walk right out of that shop. Especially seeing as how the products aren't real, and in no way comparable to their physical counterparts. Avatar clothes don't require cotton grown by farmers and shipped over the ocean to be made into clothing then back across the ocean and on through a web of distribution systems and retailers.
Virtual items have none of these costs.. as a fair comparison, take a look at Second Life. Artists in SL create top notch virtual clothes and everything else, what's available in SL blows away any clothes Eve or WOD will ever have. Yet at most the very best quality designs will run you $4 to $8 for an outfit. These independent creator-sellers don't have the volume that Eve does -- so if anything, an Eve cash shop should be cheaper. But certainly not more than $5 at most for a monocle or plain gray skirt.
This cash shop thing is so bizarre it's surely a PR stunt? It can't be real.. I haven't logged in, are the monocles still $80 or whatever?
To the Dev who wrote the above blog, I'm sorry but I don't want to be virtually fashionable anymore than I would wear $1,000 Japanese jeans in real life. I'm sorry, but it's expensive enough keeping up with the Jones's in the real world, I for one actually can't afford to pay for the most fashionable $80 monocles in your internet spaceship game.
This isn't all lols.. we're talking significant money for a pixel monocle, sold by a company who seems to think the high price itself constitutes value, as if they're some boutique on Rodeo Drive. But you know what I can get a REAL LIFE steampunk monocle, made of real brass, created by a real life artist for less money than what you're charging.
Bottom line.. if you just stick to making a good game, the money will follow. Cash shops are bad enough, but if you're going to do it then the price has to be right and the quality has to be fantastic, otherwise your customers will feel gouged.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.08.27 13:09:00 -
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Welcome to the New Eve Online. Where now its not what should I fit to my Magathron, but what outfit best complements my Megathron.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:06:00 -
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The Megathron actually looks like a pair of jeans, now that I think about it.
:tinfoil:
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:10:00 -
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If only you had been keeping up with the forums you could have saved yourself the time it took to type that verbose complaint letter.
Slade
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Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:12:00 -
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I could afford stacks of them, but agree completely with the original post. Focus on making a good game, not adding features that displace gameplay.
I have no issue with vanity content, but instead of having it pop into existence by shoveling money to ccp, it should be manufactured or found in game. CCP has over leveraged Eve to produce two other mmo's which aren't out yet. So any time CCP mentions that they need the extra income, call their bluff, we the players DO deserve better, everything CCP is today has come from Eve online income.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:14:00 -
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tl;dr
Yes, they crazy/desperate.
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Makya Cha'tima
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.08.27 14:15:00 -
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It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80. 
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:28:00 -
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i like to wear $1000 japanese glitterpants
they are really comfy too. why wouldn't you not want to wear them? 
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:38:00 -
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Dear op,
you really need to stop reading the forums. There is not a single reasonable person on here cept for Akita T.
Also, if you ask real players and not forum whiners, you will find, no one really cares about the 63 buck monocle, or any of the other items in there. CCP can go ape with all the clothes they want.
The only reason players are mad, is because, CCP spent more time on spending money on development of clothes and the game. IF you read dev blogs from last year, CCP outsourced their incarna clothing development to fashion companies in a combination of their own staff, rather than working on internet spaceships. Now you might ask why dont most people care? They are vanity items, as long as ccp doesnt sell game changing items, like 18 wheeler truck launchers for minmatar dont care. Keep game altering items out of the nex store and the community wont have a problem.
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:39:00 -
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What news articles havnt explained is how its not 80$ it is in fact 1.5 billion space credits.
Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600.
No one buys them for $$$, people sell PLEX's for ISK (as has been going on for years) only now people who feel like buyin PLEX can use it for more than just their sub.
TL DR: Their RL $$$ conversion is as meaningless as any other in game item. People (rich in game people) buy them with ISK.
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Tokyo Rose
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
What news articles havnt explained is how its not 80$ it is in fact 1.5 billion space credits.
Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600.
No one buys them for $$$, people sell PLEX's for ISK (as has been going on for years) only now people who feel like buyin PLEX can use it for more than just their sub.
TL DR: Their RL $$$ conversion is as meaningless as any other in game item. People (rich in game people) buy them with ISK.
^this
My only gripe about it is that it has pulled ccp's development focus away from the pew.
But I suppose ccp has to find the money somewhere for the development of dust and wod.
So how does it feel to be funding games you most likely could care less about at the expense of eves core development? 
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the op
Amarr
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 16:53:00 -
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Quote:
What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?
I really don't give a **** what other people think about what I wear in RL so why would I give a **** about people's impressions of my eve avatars?
You must be really deluded, shallow, or just trolling us to think the majority of the players are like that. I would however buy tinfoil hats, side burns and fake ginger mustache.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:03:00 -
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OP: Did you even read what you quoted?
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Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
Do you even know WTF you're wailing about??
Jesus....move on.
He who breaks the law shall be punished back to the House of Pain. -- Sayer of the Law |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:36:00 -
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I totally agree with, my thread is in my signature on this topic as well.
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Tenaz Famaroom
Liberation Army
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:37:00 -
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ha
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Information Agent
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:44:00 -
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Heh, when that blog came out I showed it to the marketting department where I work. Out of the 23 people in the office at the time, 17 were just gobsmacked at the ridiculously unproffessional and 'out of touch' nature of it (several citing the global recession as a good reason not to write stuff like that blog) and the other 6 thought it was some sort of 'April fools' joke to mess with the players.
All I can say is that it gave me a serious laugh until I realized it was a serious blog.
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Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.27 17:47:00 -
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Welcome back. Whilst you were away CCP lost their marbles.
CCP Soundwave thinks its cool though. :/
C.
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Four OfThree
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.08.27 18:14:00 -
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To the original poster - stop making sense ...this is the NEW EVE
Heading for "The Door" 12/10/2011 |
Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.08.27 19:44:00 -
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This is a great post, CCP needs to read this.
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Quafe Tee = ~680M ISK
Black Skirt = ~480M ISK
High Heels = ~450M ISK
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Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.08.27 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Four OfThree
To the original poster - stop making sense ...this is the NEW EVE
Your animated signature "Head for the door" is a very accurate visualization of how slowly my character is working in the CQ.
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Quafe Tee = ~680M ISK
Black Skirt = ~480M ISK
High Heels = ~450M ISK
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Makya Cha'tima
It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80.
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
There's an upside to this.
At least they are not donating the money to insane political movements.
Now of course, some may argue that not all political movements are insane. But if you picked the most moderate movement and had millions of people start donating to it, then that movement will become corrupted and insane because it will attract the kind of people who are insane and corrupt things.
Therefore, when stupid people go spending disposable income on internet trinkets, it may well be a good thing after all. It's like seeing a teenager all "gothed up" right down to the black nail polish. Dumb, right? Perhaps. But that's better than teenagers in little pressed uniforms goose-stepping around looking to report on your for something. You can laugh at the former, but have to fear the later.
Good job, CCP.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Trixie Stardust
I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.
First of all, most Eve subscribers don't wear $1,000 boutique Japanese jeans.
Really? THAT is your argument?
It's an analogy you fool, and a good one at that. He's not saying you wear them. I mean my god, I've seen people whine about that line before, wrongly I will again emphasize, but no one has been stupid enough to try and use that argument against it.
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:28:00 -
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Welcome to the 3 months ago. If all you're going to do is jump on a bandwagon then good riddance.
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Trainwreck McGee
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Posted - 2011.08.27 20:53:00 -
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This is the comment that made me realize that there are people working for CCP that are seriously delusional.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.27 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 27/08/2011 22:07:38
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
What news articles havnt explained is how its not 80$ it is in fact 1.5 billion space credits.
Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600.
No one buys them for $$$, people sell PLEX's for ISK (as has been going on for years) only now people who feel like buyin PLEX can use it for more than just their sub.
TL DR: Their RL $$$ conversion is as meaningless as any other in game item. People (rich in game people) buy them with ISK.
Mhm. Let's follow the chain of causation from the beginning.
Clothes only enter the game when bought for PLEX. They can be bought second-hand for ISK on the market, but the initial purchase on the NEX is always in PLEX. AUR should not be thought of as a separate unit, they are fractions of a PLEX much like cents are fractions of a dollar. PLEX only enters the game when bought for real money (Game Time Code conversion). Plex can be bought second-hand for ISK, but the initial purchase of game time is always for real money (whether dollars or euros or what have you) .
Thus, the chain of purchase is:
$$$ --> PLEX (broken into AUR) ---> Clothes
That you personally bought some NEX item using ISK is irrelevant from the perspective of the game and of CCP's bottom line, because someone at some point paid CCP in real money to buy the original PLEX, which was broken into AUR, which was used to buy your NEX item from the NEX store. So clothes do have real monetary value, especially since unlike with any other item there is no need to covert PLEX or AUR into ISK to buy clothes: they can functionally be bought directly for PLEX.
That said, I don't think that the NEX store itself is problematic per se. I do think that creating a separate artificial currency for clothes was a silly idea, and that CCP should have instead simply sold clothing BPC "packs" directly for PLEX, which would have created actual meaningful gameplay for EVE's industrialists. More concerning is the possibility that CCP will feel compelled at some point to create a "real" cash shop, selling overpowered ships, modules and boosters directly for AUR; CCP has not always been successful in balancing items, and has been notorious for taking months or even years to make even minor balance changes. While it is currently possible to effectively buy any item in the game for cash, no-one is required to spend real cash at any point to buy any item. The NEX store, on the other hand, requires someone at some point to spend real money to buy game time and convert it to PLEX.
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Larton Dretta
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Posted - 2011.08.27 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Larton Dretta on 27/08/2011 22:58:52
wellcome to the new era in gameing, the social network, nobody gives a **** about you because it's the idiots that spend the money, either bend over or walk away, it's what most people will do when it all goes to ****, you know which gaming company is worth the most? Zynga, the creators of farmville. money's in the casual market and microtransactions. gaming's been going straight down the ****ter since the release of xbox live
if you haven't seen it yet, here's your ****ing future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPYdgy35KA
all you forums idiots whining about NEX and **** should wake the **** up, welcome to the real world
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AnzacPaul
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.08.27 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Larton Dretta
all you forums idiots whining about NEX and **** should wake the **** up, welcome to the real world
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Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.28 00:16:00 -
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Don't forget the $100,000 razor Linkage
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.28 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 28/08/2011 00:27:02
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 28/08/2011 00:23:00
Originally by: Larton Dretta
if you haven't seen it yet, here's your ****ing future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPYdgy35KA
all you forums idiots whining about NEX and **** should wake the **** up, welcome to the real world
Wow that video was sad.
I guess this really is the future of gaming, the Farmville slot machine model. To be fair, the PLEX system was innovative and brilliant. What's not brilliant are $63 monocles and hotpants.
I wouldn't have liked any cash shop at all. It's just not Eve, it doesn't look right. But if the stuff were sensibly priced at like $5 then I wouldn't have been mad enough to post on a forum about it. These are supposed to be *micro* transactions not *macro* transactions.
The $63 price point is insulting.
But I guess people are buying the stuff. I read somewhere that they sold 55 monocles in the first 40 hours. If that rate keeps up, that's $758,835 per year in extra revenue just from monocles.
What it comes down to is most players don't care, they won't quit. Some of us do care and don't even want to be a part of something like Farmville. I haven't even played Eve for months now. What I saw in the news was this cash shop thing, if I'd read about a major game expansion instead with new content then maybe I'd be playing the game now instead of griping on the forum.
I'm all played out with Eve it's not the monocles' fault, though new content could have lured me back. But a $63 cash shop just makes me sad, not want to play. And above all as a customer I'm insulted by the high prices and their roleplay answers for why a monocle that doesn't do anything and other people can't even see should cost a billion isk.
Oh well if I'm canceling my sub I need to shut up and let you guys enjoy your game. Before someone asks, no you can't have my stuff, I might come back one day. 
(p.s. when I cancel my sub I'm going to put the cash shop prices and lack of new game content as the reason)
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.28 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Makya Cha'tima
It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80.
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
So, it's a bad idea because no one would buy expensive clothes but it's even worse because people are actually buying the clothes?
There is just no arguing with some of you.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.28 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Makya Cha'tima
It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80.
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
So, it's a bad idea because no one would buy expensive clothes but it's even worse because people are actually buying the clothes?
There is just no arguing with some of you.
There's an explanation to all of this: monocle envy
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Alu Utukku
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Posted - 2011.08.28 05:35:00 -
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this really makes me think the nex vehicle should have a balancing effect.
for instance: monocle costs 80$. for 160$ you could by the equivalent of an ice cream scoop with sharp edges to harvest said monocle from corpse. after collecting 10 of them, you now have a monocle of your very own.
same goes for tailor scissors to cut the 1000$ jeans from similar corpse.
this may require a slight change to avatars though, as they would, now need 'fitting' slots, or holsters of some kind...
 wtb eye scream scoop holster.
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.28 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 28/08/2011 06:33:20
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Welcome to the 3 months ago. If all you're going to do is jump on a bandwagon then good riddance.
Yeah I see that. Did some more reading I guess this is all settled down now. I read that they flew the CSM out to Iceland and showed them their vanity item plans.
I'm late to this party I missed all the fun.
Anyhow the monocles are still wrong, wrong, wrong at any price point above $10 at most. It's very likely future vanity items will be tacky. Cash shops in other games tend to add a lot of sparkles and flames and oversized crap to the vanity items.
I wonder, will vanity sparkles for your ship ever be an option?
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mentalkiller
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.08.28 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Makya Cha'tima
It gets worse:
There is actually people buying the stuff for $80.
I just hope that at CCP they will correct this 'momentary lapse of reason' and go back to doing something more useful for the game.
So, it's a bad idea because no one would buy expensive clothes but it's even worse because people are actually buying the clothes?
There is just no arguing with some of you.
There's an explanation to all of this: monocle envy
Lol
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.28 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trixie Stardust
Here's an analogy.. let's say I walk into a shop and the prices are insanely high, and insult to injury the merch isn't even real but rather I only get a digital picture of a monocle or ladies' skirt. The picture of the real thing costs $50 or $80. I tell the shopkeep hey that's crazy, you're selling real t-shirts in your old shop for less than that. And then the store owner comes back with the argument that if I want to be fashionable and cool in the virtual world, I'll pay top dollar to prove it.
I think I'd walk right out of that shop. Especially seeing as how the products aren't real, and in no way comparable to their physical counterparts. Avatar clothes don't require cotton grown by farmers and shipped over the ocean to be made into clothing then back across the ocean and on through a web of distribution systems and retailers.
Virtual items have none of these costs.. as a fair comparison, take a look at Second Life. Artists in SL create top notch virtual clothes and everything else, what's available in SL blows away any clothes Eve or WOD will ever have. Yet at most the very best quality designs will run you $4 to $8 for an outfit. These independent creator-sellers don't have the volume that Eve does -- so if anything, an Eve cash shop should be cheaper. But certainly not more than $5 at most for a monocle or plain gray skirt.
This cash shop thing is so bizarre it's surely a PR stunt? It can't be real.. I haven't logged in, are the monocles still $80 or whatever?
I believe that the pricing of NeX store comes directly from Hilmar himself. If you look some interviews he has given, you find that he likes to talk about saving the earth by moving real life consumer goods to virtual enviroment. I believe that he has somewhat lost the touch, but... it is just my opinnion.
Reading any interview by hilmar or soundwave just makes me sad nowdays so been trying to avoid 'em lately.
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Posted - 2011.08.28 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Mei
Dear op,
you really need to stop reading the forums. There is not a single reasonable person on here cept for Akita T.
Also, if you ask real players and not forum whiners, you will find, no one really cares about the 63 buck monocle, or any of the other items in there. CCP can go ape with all the clothes they want.
The only reason players are mad, is because, CCP spent more time on spending money on development of clothes and the game. IF you read dev blogs from last year, CCP outsourced their incarna clothing development to fashion companies in a combination of their own staff, rather than working on internet spaceships. Now you might ask why dont most people care? They are vanity items, as long as ccp doesnt sell game changing items, like 18 wheeler truck launchers for minmatar dont care. Keep game altering items out of the nex store and the community wont have a problem.
I disagree. What upsets me is that we are paying CCP to playtest new software and pricing models for an upcoming, different game.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.28 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bklyn 1
What upsets me is that we are paying CCP to playtest new software and pricing models for an upcoming, different game.
No. You are not paying CCP to test anything. You pay CCP to play the already available game. When you pay CCP you aren't investing on their future products or your future, for that matter. Your payment is NOT an investment. Your payment is for a present service that you can either accept or choose to discontinue.
Should you choose to pay them, you need to realize that it is no longer in ANY WAY your money demand how they spend it.
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Revajin
Gallente
15 Minute Outliers
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Posted - 2011.08.28 23:00:00 -
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Yet another carebear who missed the entire point of the 1000 dollar jeans statement.
There are rich people in the world who can afford 1000 dollar jeans. Rich people own jeans that range in price up and over 5000 dollars in fact. Why do they buy these things?
1. They can.
2. It's a symbol of status.
What's the difference between expensive jeans and cheap ones? Usually nothing of practical value. The material is probably slightly better or it was created be a famous designer but the 1000 dollar price tag is significantly larger than the cost to make it. Yet the rich and famous purchase these expensive jeans because to have them is to express their value and level in society. For them 5000 dollar jeans might be the same hit to their wallet as 50 dollar jeans are to yours.
EVE is no different. Just because you lack the wealth to purchase 1000 dollar jeans doesn't mean nobody else does, and in EVE you might not have the wealth to buy a 70 dollar/1 billion isk monocle. But other, richer players might. Some content in the cash shop will cater to more indulgent lifestyles just as in real life some stores cater to richer lifestyles. If you're butthurt about the notion of there being haves and havenots in your mmo I'd suggest trying a different game. If you go into a designer store and complain that the 1000 dollar price tag on those jeans isn't justified they'll just tell you that you don't have to buy them. And if you complain that they should lower the price on them because it's too out of your price range they'll laugh at you.
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Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.08.29 00:24:00 -
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If monocles are overpriced, anyone who buys them is an idiot. Since you're not laughing at their wasted money, you either don't understand what vanity and novelty are, or you are envious of monocle owners.
Inciting envy is kind of the point, isn't it? I guess vanity items just worked too well.
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.29 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:03:59
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:01:07
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:00:26
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
I believe that the pricing of NeX store comes directly from Hilmar himself. If you look some interviews he has given, you find that he likes to talk about saving the earth by moving real life consumer goods to virtual enviroment. I believe that he has somewhat lost the touch, but... it is just my opinnion.
Well.. he's actually right about that. Second Life was a pioneer here. This works in SL, and it seems fair because it's the player base creating the objects and selling them in a free market. I wouldn't say it has anything to do with being ecological, more that we've reached an end to growth in the world. In the future, the only way to keep living a consumerist lifestyle will be to transfer this activity into virtual living.
Big picture philosophically I get that. What CCP is doing wrong here is charging ten times more than what they should for this crap. A skirt in real life costs $15 at Walmart. I don't want to hear stupid crap about Eve being a "fancy boutique brand" and therefore their monocle is worth $80, that just makes me feel insulted as a customer.
There's just no justification for an eve skirt to cost $30. There are $80 items in Second Life by the way, but these are massive builds -- fancy yachts, hundreds of hours of work involved there and it's all scripted and top notch quality so I can understand when the cost of a virtual good has some relation to the labor involved.
Here's what CCP should have done..
Use the clothes as a way to add a new gameplay element. Second Life has done it so it can't be rocket science.. CCP could have made a system where the clothes would be crowd-sourced. Unleash the creativity of the players. Find some happy medium with profit sharing, maybe a 70-30% ratio. Then everyone would be happy: (a) the clothes would be far better than what CCP can do on their own, (b) creative players could make money, (c) it would be a free market, with the market setting the price.. everyone could be happy.
But no, rather than be groundbreaking and innovative they went for a standard cash-grab cash shop -- and far worse, they made national news over their $80 monocle greed.
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.29 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 01:27:40
Originally by: Revajin
If you're butthurt about the notion of there being haves and havenots in your mmo I'd suggest trying a different game.
Nice try.
Sorry dude, if I want to play a slot machine I can go to Vegas and have more fun and a small chance of actually winning some money back.
There's nothing you can say to make me feel good about your Farmville-style cash grabbing gaming model. It's lame and it sucks and smart people realize this.
And another thing..
You must understand that THEY are the corporation and YOU are the consumer. If you enable them, the bean counters will only push the envelope further.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.08.29 01:34:00 -
[42]
playing dressup in an area which is only for you.. has no added value what so ever. and even if others could see you. it still has no added value.
And ccp insults the player that we are actualy being stupid if you buy something.
this is just an milking cow . to drain the so far loyal customers of more money. thats what its all about. nothing more.
anyway my best guess is that most of the EVE players inst to stupid to play dressup. or spend money on them..
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Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.29 01:37:00 -
[43]
well the bean counters must be concerned, since the end of jan this year there has been a massive fall in the daily average players, from a peak of nearly 43k in january there has been a steady decline of nearly 10k active players online. nearly a 25% decline in the daily average lost since january.
Sadly it feels like SWG all over again,
in 18 months eve will be ftp and the game i love will have died.
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.29 02:06:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 02:09:11
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 02:08:27
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 02:07:27
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
well the bean counters must be concerned, since the end of jan this year there has been a massive fall in the daily average players, from a peak of nearly 43k in january there has been a steady decline of nearly 10k active players online. nearly a 25% decline in the daily average lost since january.
Sadly it feels like SWG all over again,
in 18 months eve will be ftp and the game i love will have died.
What they should have done was expand the game. I guess the standard MMO model is that all these games have a limited lifespan. But Eve players are different, they're dedicated. CCP could have grown the game rather than ramp up half-baked and insanely priced alternate revenue enhancement.
What they should have done..
1. Dust should have been developed for the PC too. Fully integrate the two, the old plan with the planet fights tied into the space game. I'm a bit bored with Eve, I would have liked something different and I would have played a planetside game for a while. If Eve kept growing, I'd never cancel my sub.
2. Ambulation should have been bigger. Instead of an $80 monocle, there should be $80 instanced apartments / corp offices for in Jita. That would be a real status symbol for the ISK rich. I could get into that, a view of Jita would be nice. Maybe a poker game with friends. I'm not against these new ideas in principle, clothes / luxury accessories and ambulation could be fun if it didn't suck.
3. There should be Dust-style combat on the stations. So much room for growth and new ideas in this game. If only they had made Dust for PC too and integrated it into Eve it would have breathed new life into the game.
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Forum Worrier
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Posted - 2011.08.29 02:29:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Trixie Stardust
What they should have done..
Don't give up your day job.
Oh wait, you don't have one, otherwise you wouldn't be so jealous.
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.29 03:37:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Forum Worrier
Originally by: Trixie Stardust
What they should have done..
Don't give up your day job.
Oh wait, you don't have one, otherwise you wouldn't be so jealous.
Where's your monocle? Oh, you don't have one.
Friggin 1.5 billion ISK vanity monocles and virtual shirts that cost more than a real shirt. I have enough ISK to buy one of these monocles but I'm not an idiot.. I am NOT fashion conscious, I won't wear $1,000 Japanese skinnyjeans and I WILL NEVER buy one of these $80 monocles even if they lowered the price to $5.
Here, I'll simulate wearing a virtual $80 monocle:
Wow, my life is so different now that I'm "high status." This is great CCP. Can you charge me a thousand dollars for something, I want to feel uber high status.
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buee
Gallente
Valor Inc.
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.08.29 04:34:00 -
[47]
My problem with the overpriced digital items isn't that they're our of most player's pricerange, its that it sets a model for incarna that really disapoints me. I had hoped that Incarna would follow eve's current model of a player run market, but instead what we have is an item store which will require you to deposite your hard earned cash just to participate.
Incarna is nothing but an item mall theme park. I am so utterly disapointed...
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Zoe Ardent
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Posted - 2011.08.29 07:27:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Its no more costs $80 then a Titan costs $600.
well then you can say that a fancy pair of pants costs more than a tenth of a titan 
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Farmer Kamikaze
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Posted - 2011.08.29 08:00:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Trixie Stardust
I love a good one liner, never seen a one monacler before.
Had me giggling all the way to work. Almost makes this whole debacle worthwhile. The most succinct summary I have seen of anything.
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Megara Chanadyne
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Posted - 2011.08.29 09:51:00 -
[50]
Originally by: buee
My problem with the overpriced digital items isn't that they're our of most player's pricerange, its that it sets a model for incarna that really disapoints me. I had hoped that Incarna would follow eve's current model of a player run market, but instead what we have is an item store which will require you to deposite your hard earned cash just to participate.
Incarna is nothing but an item mall theme park. I am so utterly disapointed...
Full agree.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.29 10:51:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 29/08/2011 10:51:17
Originally by: Sgt Maru
Don't forget the $100,000 razor Linkage
"How do you inaugurate a new era of technology û not an incremental step forward, but a quantum leap"
And here I thought the quantum world was quite small...
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 10:57:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 10:58:27
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
"How do you inaugurate a new era of technology û not an incremental step forward, but a quantum leap"
And here I thought the quantum world was quite small...
That's just because copy writers don't talk language no good. I think it's a job requirement or some such, considering how common a problem it is.
Oh, and OP: don't worry. CCP have since confirmed that people who buy monocles are, officially, suckers.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Mordenn G'Kar
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:25:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 29/08/2011 11:29:01
Originally by: Trixie Stardust
Where's your monocle? Quack Quack Quack
Quack quack 1.5 billion ISK vanity monocles cost more than a real shirt quack quack . Quack quack CCP. Can you charge me a thousand dollars for something, Quack quack quack.
This is what I am hearing.
Why are there so many threads rants trolls and rages about something that you admit yourself has NO EFFECT on your ability in the game? Are you so blind as to not see that a) The E-Rich in Eve dont waste time with RL money to buy their Monocles? and that b) Unlike you some people do like to look at their characters. This is not a troll, or an attempt to annoy you personally, but it is yet another call to you and your ilk to wake up, wise up and understand that some people in the world like to wear crap to look pretty. I dont but Im BLIND IN ONE EYE so actually, Id love a monocle or the gogs.
The monocle crowd have enough isk to waste so why shouldnt they have something that makes them feel better for having? I dont wear jewelry in RL but Im not runing around saying that diamond and gold merchants are trolling the world with their worthless wares.
In short, if you dont care about how your character looks, why dont you just have a blacked-out portrait.
Also, if you are so worried abolut wastes of money, how did you forget to unsubscribe? Thats a large waste right there. Or have you money to burn? |
Revajin
Gallente
15 Minute Outliers
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Trixie Stardust
Nice try.
Sorry dude, if I want to play a slot machine I can go to Vegas and have more fun and a small chance of actually winning some money back.
There's nothing you can say to make me feel good about your Farmville-style cash grabbing gaming model. It's lame and it sucks and smart people realize this.
And another thing..
You must understand that THEY are the corporation and YOU are the consumer. If you enable them, the bean counters will only push the envelope further.
My intention wasn't to make you feel good about the model, and I do understand that they are the corporation and I am the consumer. That's why I don't try to tell them how to run their business. If they offer a service to me that I do not like, I simply don't give them the money. I don't care about space fashion so I put no money into it. The EVE community, ahem, some in the EVE forum community, believes that CCP is somehow obligated to cater to their whims because they pay a subscription fee to download a client and access a server that CCP provides.
Let me paint you a picture. You have a rather sizeable front yard, it has lots of trees, some hedges, rosebushes, the works. You don't really care too much about how it looks, you just want to make sure everything stays green. So you hire a lawn maintenance service who once a month comes to your home and performs maintenance. They kill pests, fertilize, remove weeds, etc. Lets say you pay 50 bucks a month. One day the guy who runs the lawn maintenance company gives you a brochure that announces they will soon be offering landscaping services as well. You say, ok I don't really care. A few weeks later he gives you an updated price sheet, your fee hasn't changed but the cost of landscaping is 200 dollars on top of what you already pay should you want that. Do you lose your mind and complain that this is wrong? Do you expect him to change the price of the landscaping fee just because you don't like it? Do you whine that by possible landscaping another person's lawn that they're taking effort away from your regular lawn maintenance? Do you expect him to give up landscaping altogether because you don't feel its necessary for your lawn?
A normal person wouldn't. Because it's his company. He gets to decide the price and services. He didn't say you had to buy the stuff you didn't care about. The price of the stuff you did care about didn't change. But alas, the damage is done already. You're outraged that this optional service is offered at a high price. You go to the other houses in the neighborhood and tell them all that if they hire that guy for lawn maintenance they should tell him they don't want him to offer landscaping. If any of your neighbors have already bought the package you insist they're just enabling his corporate greed. You're so mad in fact that you fire him, you cancel your service with the company. A normal person might not like the company for the new practices and would cancel and leave it at that. But you're outraged, so you send him emails all the time complaining about the price, when he's in the neighborhood doing somebodies lawn you come over and yell at his workers, maybe you even shout death threats or say you wish they all got cancer. You start a blog on the internet to talk about how mad you are. You and some friends go out to the fountain in your yard and sit around all day shooting at it with supersoakers. When people ask what you're doing, you say you're boycotting the lawn maintenance company. Anyone who disagrees with you is clearly delusional or dumb.
When I say you, I don't mean you specifically, I mean those on the forums who have lost their minds over this issue. I realize this could be construed as me trying to insult you, that was not my intent.
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Mordenn G'Kar
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:35:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Revajin
I have just explained it.
What he said. Just what I meant, but he said it more sensibly. +1 to you man. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:36:00 -
[56]
The player base went to great lengths to tell CCP, "NO MICROTRANSACTIONS"
CCP said, "Oh sure! No micro transactions!"
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Mordenn G'Kar
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:39:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
The player base went to great lengths to tell CCP, "NO MICROTRANSACTIONS"
CCP said, "Oh sure! No micro transactions!"
As everything costs isk, and isk can be bought with RM, this is a non-issue. |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:43:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
As everything costs isk, and isk can be bought with RM, this is a non-issue.
àexcept that that's not a microtransaction, and that no, not everything costs ISK.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.08.29 12:04:00 -
[59]
OP, in Australia a bank did the very same thing: http://www.theage.com.au/business/westpac-goes-bananas-on-rate-rise-20091208-khn0.html
They nearly went bankrupt because of it
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Mordenn G'Kar
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Posted - 2011.08.29 12:08:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
As everything costs isk, and isk can be bought with RM, this is a non-issue.
àexcept that that's not a microtransaction, and that no, not everything costs ISK.
What doesnt? |
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.29 12:11:00 -
[61]
Just do what 95% of the player base is doing and ignore the LOLNEX store. Failshop is fail.
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Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.29 12:57:00 -
[62]
You may be three months late but its still relevant. Funnily enough I looked for the threadnought that caused so much angst and arnars insulting blog that compounded it and I couldnt find either? Am I just incompetent at searching the forums or have these threads been removed?
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 13:00:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 13:01:11
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
What doesnt?
The NeX items. They cost PLEX. No matter how much ISK you have (or how much time you're willing to spend to build/farm/earn), without PLEX, you're not getting any.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Mordenn G'Kar
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Posted - 2011.08.29 13:29:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 13:01:11
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
What doesnt?
The NeX items. They cost PLEX. No matter how much ISK you have (or how much time you're willing to spend to build/farm/earn), without PLEX, you're not getting any.
I dont wish to annoy you, but I can buy PLEX with isk. I can also look in the Apparel section of the market and buy NEX items with isk. So um.. what cant I buy with isk? |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.29 13:30:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 29/08/2011 13:31:12
CCP is not what it once was.
Used to be a small compsny making a space game, and is now gradually becoming rather big. The sense of excelence in making a good game is gradually being replaced by having an excelent bottom line. The implementation of the NEX store confirms this. Why else add MT to a subscription based game? They give you a lot of bull**** sweet talk about it, but it is easy to see thorugh the obfuscation and see that what they really want is simply more money, consequences to players and game be damned.
Even in my "short" 3.5 years of EVE I have seen a change in how they operate. It is also easy to spot the lack on proper internal communication in CCP, both from personal experience in a growing company, and how they talk to the players.
Maybe CCP will overcome the growing pains, and short its priorities out sometime. At least I hope so, becuase EVE is actually a good game among a sea of very poor wow clones.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 13:50:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 13:50:47
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
I dont wish to annoy you, but I can buy PLEX with isk.
No, you can't. You can trade ISK for a PLEX that some other player has bought with cash. To get that PLEX to begin with, actual out-of-game cash has to change hands. ISK is not an option (wellà not within the realm of the EULA at least).
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I can also look in the Apparel section of the market and buy NEX items with isk.
àassuming someone has bought one with a PLEX. Again: without PLEX, no NeX items, and as mentioned, that can't happen to begin with without cash being forked over.
Neither PLEX nor NeX items can be made from inside the game, regardless of how huge a pile of ISK, or how many aeons of time you have ù they require out-of-game cash to be expended. At least PLEX are economy neutral ù NeX items, on the other hand, are not.
Soà Everything else in the game can be had by plunking down ISK, some raw materials and a bit of time. PLEX cannot: they can only be had if someone spends cash. Likewise, NeX items cannot: they can only be had if someone expends a PLEX.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.29 13:50:00 -
[67]
a) Originally by: Trixie Stardust
I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.
This is because you didn't read much in your life yet.
b) Quote:
First of all, most Eve subscribers don't wear $1,000 boutique Japanese jeans. This is so ludicrous words defy me..
Learn to understand what an analogy is. No one was implying that the players are wearing 1000$ jeans.
c) Not going to read the rest of your post, if it starts like this it can't be good.
d) Your t-shirt looks ugly, the big boobs don't change that.
e) Stop beating a dead horse.
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Ana Vyr
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.29 13:58:00 -
[68]
Just consider yourself lucky you weren't here to witness CCP's internal meltdown into insanity in real time like most of us forum lurkers were. It was ugly, very ugly.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.29 14:13:00 -
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NO $1000 Dollar Jeans on the NEX.
Most expensive item on the NEX is 12,000 AUR
So ISK to Plex // Plex to AUR
So for fun (based on a 360 Mill ISK per plex.
Carriers - AUR 7,000 // 720 Mill ISK // $30.00
Dreads - AUR 14,000 // 1.4 Bill ISK // $60.00
Jump Freighter - AUR 45,500 // 4.6 Bill ISK // $195.00
Super Carrier - AUR 98,000 // 10 Bill ISK // $420.00
Titan - AUR 294,000 // 30.2 Bill ISK // $1,260.00
Personally I would rather have a T-shirt with my favorite ship on it that sells for the value of the ship itself.
Wouldn't it be a kick in the face to wear a Titan shirt around.
Although I would go for the NYX myself but either way 
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Mordenn G'Kar
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Posted - 2011.08.29 14:36:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 14:10:00
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
I dont wish to annoy you, but I can buy PLEX with isk.
No, you can't. You can trade ISK for a PLEX that some other player has bought with cash. To get that PLEX to begin with, actual out-of-game cash has to change hands. ISK is not an option (wellà not within the realm of the EULA at least).
Quote:
I can also look in the Apparel section of the market and buy NEX items with isk.
àassuming someone has bought one with a PLEX. Again: without PLEX, no NeX items, and as mentioned, that can't happen to begin with without cash being forked over.
Neither PLEX nor NeX items can be made from inside the game, regardless of how huge a pile of ISK, or how many aeons of time you have ù they require out-of-game cash to be expended. At least PLEX are economy neutral ù NeX items, on the other hand, are not.
Soà Everything else in the game can be had by plunking down ISK, some raw materials and a bit of time. PLEX cannot: they can only be had if someone spends cash. Likewise, NeX items cannot: they can only be had if someone expends a PLEX.
In fact, let's just repost this one ù it's been a while.
Cant see the image, I have them disabled.
And there is nothing there that says I cannot buy everything with isk. If others choose to spend RL money on a game, that is not my concern. They make it possible for me to invest, and profit in game, without paying any money in real life.
Besides, you said I could not buy NEX items with isk. I have provided you with the method of how you can. As I said, what others do is no concern of mine. If they didnt put them up for sale, then you would be correct, but we know thats not how it works in a free-market economy. |
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Posted - 2011.08.29 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Simetraz on 29/08/2011 15:07:41
Tippia is right from a technical stand point that NEX items have to come from RL cash.
Someone has to buy the PLEX's.
However right now I just did a quick count.
There are 455 PLEX's for sale in the Forge, or $6,825.00 in PLEX's already on the market.
People have ALREADY spent the RL Cash and now they want ISK.
It all starts with the PLEX and clearly people want to buy ISK and are willing to spend RL cash to get it.
And lets face it, BOTTING and ISK farmers are still in game so people are spending RL cash for the illegal method as well.
So getting upset over the NEX is well rather laughable.
CCP is just providing a method for the people buying ISK to get it faster.
Now you can sell a PLEX to someone who wants to extend game time and also sell a PLEX to someone who wants something from the NEX.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 15:19:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 15:19:49
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Cant see the image, I have them disabled.
And there is nothing there that says I cannot buy everything with isk.
Then maybe you should enable themà
Quote:
If others choose to spend RL money on a game, that is not my concern.
It is, because that is what makes these things appear in the game. ISK does not. No amount of ISK will do that.
Quote:
Besides, you said I could not buy NEX items with isk.
Because you can't. You need AUR for that, which is just a one-way method of exercising the call option a PLEX provides. Again, no amount of ISK can be poured into the NeX to make it spit out the items you want.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Posted - 2011.08.29 15:20:00 -
[73]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Bklyn 1
What upsets me is that we are paying CCP to playtest new software and pricing models for an upcoming, different game.
No. You are not paying CCP to test anything. You pay CCP to play the already available game. When you pay CCP you aren't investing on their future products or your future, for that matter. Your payment is NOT an investment. Your payment is for a present service that you can either accept or choose to discontinue.
Should you choose to pay them, you need to realize that it is no longer in ANY WAY your money demand how they spend it.
Incorrect. They add this stuff into the game for the purpose of testing it and, hopefully to squeeze some more money out of this IP. Sure, people can quit over it. Many have. I never said it is an investment and I'm not demanding they spend my money in any particular way as you claim. I'm pointing out what is essentially a dishonest business model. Whether a person chooses to stop paying because of it is their decision, but let's be honest about what CCP are doing here.
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Trixie Stardust
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Posted - 2011.08.29 17:58:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 18:03:02
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Why are there so many threads rants trolls and rages about something that you admit yourself has NO EFFECT on your ability in the game?
I just don't like it. I prefer a gaming model where everyone pays a subscription fee in the real world, then once in game we're immersed in the game world. We already paid our ticket to get in, don't bug us for more money. A 750,000,000 isk t-shirt doesn't even make sense from a game immersion perspective.
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Are you so blind as to not see that a) The E-Rich in Eve dont waste time with RL money to buy their Monocles? and that b) Unlike you some people do like to look at their characters. This is not a troll, or an attempt to annoy you personally, but it is yet another call to you and your ilk to wake up, wise up and understand that some people in the world like to wear crap to look pretty. I dont but Im BLIND IN ONE EYE so actually, Id love a monocle or the gogs.
What you guys aren't admitting is that these prices HAVE NO PRECEDENT in the HISTORY of MMOs. These aren't even "micro" transactions -- the monocle is what, 5 times a monthly subscription? That's a MACRO transaction.
I really don't like cash shops at all, because it's tacky and bad for game immersion and takes everyone's focus away from the game itself (devs included). But I'm fine with clothes and accessories, and I can live with a MICRO transaction cash shop -- it's really these insane prices that made me mad enough to go on a forum tangent. I've been subscribing for years, I have never raged on on this forum before.
I'm just so disappointed in CCP, they used to be a cool company, they used to be "different" from cash cow Wow and all the others. Even a $30 monocle would have been crazy, but $80 / 1.5 billion isk.. that just means this company must think its customers are s-t-u-p-i-d.
Just like Star Trek Online thinks their customers are stupid. Those poor slobs have to pay a monthly fee PLUS buy ships from the cash shop.
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
The monocle crowd have enough isk to waste so why shouldnt they have something that makes them feel better for having? I dont wear jewelry in RL but Im not runing around saying that diamond and gold merchants are trolling the world with their worthless wares.
All the cash shop prices are high, every last item down to the shirts that cost more than real life shirts. You're right, apparently it's for the ISK rich only. I think this is a bad move. It's going to make new players feel sour about the game. They're going to click that cash shop, maybe wanting something for their avatar and then bam.. the PRICES.. holy cow, $30, $80..
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
In short, if you dont care about how your character looks, why dont you just have a blacked-out portrait.
Also, if you are so worried abolut wastes of money, how did you forget to unsubscribe? Thats a large waste right there. Or have you money to burn?
To be fair to CCP, it could have been worse. At least there are plenty of avatar clothing options included in the monthly subscription. You really don't need any of the cash shop stuff. But.. the whole debacle has made Eve and CCP look bad. This was bad press.
And where it gets really problematic is if they start selling custom ships. It's just not fair to newer players who aren't ISK oligarchs. When a new player sees a cool ship, it should be something he can work for within the game mechanics, not a $30 cash shop item.
About canceling.. I'm fine paying my subscription, my whole issue is I want that to be it -- pay to get in, then play the game no more coming at me for more cash.
In other words, I don't like the "pay to play" model and I'm sure I'd puke if I had to play Dust and they were charging me for every gun and bullet.
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