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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.09.01 15:23:00 -
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/NOT HAPPY
bring back my ship in station! I like beer and cheese... |
WeirdNoise
Caldari tagueuletoi
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Posted - 2011.09.01 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat We don't want the in game items appearing on the NEX store, the question is, are their plans to do just that.
NO. "Are there plans ?" is the perfect unaccountable, unliable question and it leads to its obvious "of course not, dear gullible sheeple" answer.
CCP can release later what they claimed "not having plans to implement" without breaking its word : they just figured out "plans" after having denie dhaving any, duh.
This is a non-binding statement, typical PR stunt. And it worked, one just has to peruse the "CCP issues a statement after its meeting with CSM" sticky thread to confirm it. CCP is right to treat its customers as idiotic children because it works.
A binding statement would be : "We will never implement any P2W." But obviously, when you read their insider newsletter you know this just would be impossible.
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.01 18:43:00 -
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For those of you who haven't heard, Seleene has made a blog post.
http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/2011/08/csm-emergency-summit-aftermath.html
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Aniete Hetheres
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Aniete Hetheres on 01/09/2011 20:00:32
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: Thornat You write down what was said.
I think everyone can agree that direct transcription of text is as uncomfortable to read as things get. And since all expressions, tone of voice and handwaving is absent in the text a lot of information is lost by that method. Thus, we summarize the discussions when we write up the minutes, we mostly say 'CSM' and 'CCP' instead of saying specific names, a response follows a question or a comment, group the relevant discussion into one section in stead of having it going all over the place (like happens when talking to someone), etc. And that is where things start to get difficult, specially when the subject is of the nature like the June topic was.
We are getting pretty good at writing up minutes from CSM/CCP meetings, just some topics take more time than other. And this is one of those topics.
Here's an idea. Why not a video, or an audio recording then? You can edit out anything you need to for NDA purposes and have subtitles in different languages. Tone of voice and bodily expression (in my experience) transcends language barriers. Thoughts? Objections? I can't imagine you guys don't already have all this kind of footage on hand.
{edit for fail sentence}
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
nice to know you take this seriously lol
in fairness, even if Two Step WASNT taking this seriously, would you really blame him? I mean CCP isnt taking CSM seriously, so why should any of them take it seriously?
hence the thread where I asked why the hell we even NEED them anymore -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Trolls Troll Anyone want to take bets on how long before mins are released?
:18months: |
Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Steph Wing For those of you who haven't heard, Seleene has made a blog post.
http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/2011/08/csm-emergency-summit-aftermath.html
Quote: I'd be really curious to know if Fearless has been fearlessly cancelled for fear that another one would be fearlessly leaked.
I lolled
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Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:26:00 -
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This type of thing happens a lot when the minutes of a contentious meeting are vetted by both sides before being released.
Do you know what usually happens when it drags on for too long?
Someone leaks the originals.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Esan Vartesa
This type of thing happens a lot when the minutes of a contentious meeting are vetted by both sides before being released.
Do you know what usually happens when it drags on for too long?
Someone leaks the originals.
now THAAAAT would be both be funny and prove the CSM arent CCP puppets lol -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
Hamatitio
Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:56:00 -
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So um, did anyone else notice the following:
Originally by: Seleene's Sandbox As I mentioned previously, while I was unable to physically attend the emergency summit, I was on Skype for most of the sessions (got up at 4am one morning, ugh) and then watched the video recordings of the whole affair once they were available
So the video recordings of the entire meeting are available. There is nothing to edit out, no tone to set. The video will display the tone as accurately as if we were standing next to you in the meeting.
Post the videos.
Originally by: Forrest Gump
And that's all I got to say 'bout that.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio So um, did anyone else notice the following:
Originally by: Seleene's Sandbox As I mentioned previously, while I was unable to physically attend the emergency summit, I was on Skype for most of the sessions (got up at 4am one morning, ugh) and then watched the video recordings of the whole affair once they were available
So the video recordings of the entire meeting are available. There is nothing to edit out, no tone to set. The video will display the tone as accurately as if we were standing next to you in the meeting.
Post the videos.
But it wont have the "tone" that CCP wants :D -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 30/08/2011 12:20:01
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: Harlot Hohannson i watch what you do, not what you say. so far i see nothing.
Fair enough.
See, and right here is proof that the devs have way better PR skills than I ever would, beause my response to that would have been to call Harlot out on how incredibly b*tchy that statement was. Guess if I worked for CCP they'd have to forbid me from going anywhere near the forums.
Most of the devs are alright guys, its the top brass at CCP that is doing all the massing up. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Nin Kimrov
Minmatar Kenzi Arms and Munitions
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Posted - 2011.09.02 00:30:00 -
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So? Where are those emergency minutes?
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 30/08/2011 12:20:01
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: Harlot Hohannson i watch what you do, not what you say. so far i see nothing.
Fair enough.
See, and right here is proof that the devs have way better PR skills than I ever would, beause my response to that would have been to call Harlot out on how incredibly b*tchy that statement was. Guess if I worked for CCP they'd have to forbid me from going anywhere near the forums.
Most of the devs are alright guys, its the top brass at CCP that is doing all the massing up.
Yeah, I hear T20 was a nice guy. Helped out his friends........ -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
AnzacPaul
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 05:42:00 -
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Bumping this for some CCP action. What happened to better communication?
If the minutes are that bad CCP, you know you've messed up. ______
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Generous Benefactor
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Posted - 2011.09.02 05:52:00 -
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This whole topic is a laughable disgrace. Over 3 months to publish a set of meeting minutes because the company continually wants to edit the tone? This just shows how utterly ****ing incompetent they are at managing communications and responding to the challenge to be more transparent with their customers.
The irony is they've done the complete opposite of what they needed to do to restore faith with their customers.
Whatever CCP elects to publish, it's too late, the damage is done all over again and the cycle of fail repeats itself. If I were an investor I'd be very worried.
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AnzacPaul
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: AnzacPaul on 02/09/2011 05:55:16
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Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Steph Wing For those of you who haven't heard, Seleene has made a blog post.
http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/2011/08/csm-emergency-summit-aftermath.html
Read it. Here is a summary.
CCP wants to add its spin CSM wants to add its spin Players want to spin ships
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Trolls Troll
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Flamespar
Read it. Here is a summary.
CCP wants to add its spin CSM wants to add its spin Players want to spin ships
you sure this isnt a leaked copy of the emergency summit minutes
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Generous Benefactor This whole topic is a laughable disgrace. Over 3 months to publish a set of meeting minutes because the company continually wants to edit the tone? This just shows how utterly ****ing incompetent they are at managing communications and responding to the challenge to be more transparent with their customers.
The irony is they've done the complete opposite of what they needed to do to restore faith with their customers.
Whatever CCP elects to publish, it's too late, the damage is done all over again and the cycle of fail repeats itself. If I were an investor I'd be very worried.
well no, as it really seems, the CSM want to edit the minutes so CCP is held responsible for their actions and CCP are basically saying "yeah **** that" -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:17:00 -
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All that needs to be said is if they are editing it in any way the document is worthless since every aspect of it is now in doubt due to said editing.
I can understand a little tag line like removed for NDA and or Trade secret. But that should only take a week at most.
At this point anything we get is as good as toilet paper.
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Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Flamespar on 02/09/2011 06:19:23
Originally by: Generous Benefactor
well no, as it really seems, the CSM want to edit the minutes so CCP is held responsible for their actions and CCP are basically saying "yeah **** that"
Yes, both CCP and CSM are holding up the release of these minutes. Blame both parties for being unable to get their sh*t together if you need to blame anyone.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Flamespar Edited by: Flamespar on 02/09/2011 06:19:23
Originally by: Generous Benefactor
well no, as it really seems, the CSM want to edit the minutes so CCP is held responsible for their actions and CCP are basically saying "yeah **** that"
Yes, both CCP and CSM are holding up the release of these minutes. Blame both parties for being unable to get their sh*t together if you need to blame anyone.
another post you'll need to clarify.
The CSM's job, per CCP CEO himself is "bull**** detector".
Now CCP wants the CSM to be ok with bull****ting the community about the realities of the meeting and the reasons for it.
So you're saying is: We should blame the CSM for trying to do their job instead of just rolling over for CCP in hopes of expediting meeting minutes that in CCP's PR spin-machine version will not actually reflect the meeting?
troll harder
--- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Flamespar Edited by: Flamespar on 02/09/2011 06:19:23
Originally by: Generous Benefactor
well no, as it really seems, the CSM want to edit the minutes so CCP is held responsible for their actions and CCP are basically saying "yeah **** that"
Yes, both CCP and CSM are holding up the release of these minutes. Blame both parties for being unable to get their sh*t together if you need to blame anyone.
I have a blog from a CSM that puts the blame on CCP I havent seen a blog from CCP blaming the CSM or Id revise my opinion. Provide me with a link an Ill change that statement, otherwise thats just your opinion. -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:33:00 -
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As if CCP would post a blog suggesting that CSM is holding things up.
My point whilst it seems the popular choice to blame everything on CCP. In this process. Both CSM and CCP need to come to an agreement. Both groups are complicit in the delay.
Learn to reason.
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AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: AmarrPriceStamp Lazair on 02/09/2011 06:44:07
Originally by: Flamespar As if CCP would post a blog suggesting that CSM is holding things up.
My point whilst it seems the popular choice to blame everything on CCP. In this process. Both CSM and CCP need to come to an agreement. Both groups are complicit in the delay.
Learn to reason.
I don't think you see the actual reason here.
Didn't you see Zulu's blogs and haven't you read the blog from a member of CSM that pretty much reveal the reality of CSM Minute? And btw, even Nex were introduced.
There is no blame on CSM and the blame is more on CCP. CCP just drag CSM out and waste their time with pouring some b******ts on them. |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Flamespar
Learn to assume.
fixt that for you cause without proof thats what youre doing -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2011.09.02 07:28:00 -
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i will not rest until these minutes have been delivered
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oematoema
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Posted - 2011.09.02 07:40:00 -
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This could just turn out to be the next threadnought, nice test for the new forums.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Thornat on 02/09/2011 08:09:43 The CSM or someone at CCP should just leak the minutes and let **** hit the fan. In all honesty the more CCP is humbled the better it will be for the game in the long run. Right now CCP believe themselves to be these super successful, untouchable entity that has the best sandbox game on the market leaving them in a position of infinite clout which they can use anyway they see fit. They need to have the rug pulled from under them and brought down to earth so perhaps they might realize that their success is firmly in the palms of the players and we decide wether or not they have a future.
Every day there are fewer and fewer people logging into Eve and every day more and more long time friends are playing less and less, some leaving outright. Its a sad state of affairs and the whole thing is just one big ****ing contest between the community and CCP, a contest which will result in everyone loosing simultanously. Their is no victory for the community if CCP and Eve fail as both a company and as a game, and certainly their is no victory if CCP gets their way and the community abandons them.
The failure of CCP management right now is so vivid and outragous I'm really suprised that heads aren't rolling. This situation needs to be resolved definitively, CCP needs to re-affirm their commitment to the game, re-organize their plans and start thinking like players not businessmen. If they do that, they might just make all that money they are hoping on making, but as long as they continue to **** of the community and people continue to leave the game nothing they do or say matters. They have to cataroize this bleeding wound and you start by publicy apologizing, showing some humility and making a new commitment to do better, following that up by sticking to the commitment.
CCP managers need to get their **** together fast before this whole thing goes to a point beyond saving.
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