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Monikerina Amarr Macross Space Defense Squadron The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:17:00 - [1] Don't. I am in the beta, and I have come to the realization that no matter how bad Eve gets, it is still better than anything else. I mean this is just...... it's crap. It is crap. It is so easy that on my last "quest", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little), I taped down my attack button and just ran around while playing Eve on the other machine. I wasn't even watching where I was going, just wall riding, and I completed the quest and ALL bonus quests. It is Star Wars of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same armor, same look, same weapons.... and the people are idiots. Makes me sad, I did so love my Star Wars
Sky Rayden	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:21:00 - [2] Hilmar? Is that you?
Terram alWathani Minmatar Ragnarok Rising	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Terram alWathani on 31/08/2011 00:26:45 INB4 CCP Alt accusation Edit: Damn
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Monikerina It is so easy that on my last "quest", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little) You do realize theres no real difference between "Quests" and "Missions" its just the wording. Either way what did you expect from a franchise thats been milked to hell and should have died years ago. Every time i see a new Star Wars game I cringe knowing that idiots will still cling to it.
Seren Padac	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:42:00 - [5] I already believe that the Old republic wont have a player driven economy or a strong pvp focus, which is very unappealing and defiantly a WOW clone
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Monikerina Star Wars of Warcraft. .... .. Star Warscraft?? Have been Beta'ing it myself as well and it is crap. Gimme a SC fleet anyday
Mistle Riannon Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.31 00:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Monikerina It is Star Wars of Warcraft. That. Some time ago Bioware has promissed something diffrent than old tank/healer/dps schemes. Party of jedi knights, where everyone can heal himself, make decent amount of dps and tank mobs if needed? Sounded cool. But at some point they just abandoned all that and decided to copy WoW's tank/dps/healer class scheme. So much for creativity. Also.. I know it's still beta, etc etc.. but judging from all these youtube's vids, graphics look like sh*t. This is how ToR dies, before it could even start. Last playable SW game was KotOR 1(and it was awesome), next were just.. bad. ---- "Bo wszystkie terytoria należą do pięknego złego Należą do Szatana, pana świata tego"
Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:06:00 - [8] Come onnnnnn Guild wars 2. Save us!
Needa3 Minmatar BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:07:00 - [9] seeing what eve is turning into, i'm going to try Star Wars. keep going CCP, you are on track ... to get the game killed
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:12:00 - [10] Not on the beta, but following forums of those who are, and. . .yeah. It does indeed look awful.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:14:00 - [11] You mean, there were actually people who ever expected this Star Wars MMO to be anything other than a WoW-clone ? _ Akita T USEFUL EVE LINKS collection
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:15:00 - [12] Guild Wars 2 & Battlefield 3 is where its at!
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:22:00 - [13] Well I doubt many people were leaving EVE for that. At least, no one that I knew. Perpetuum, on the other hand... Quote: The most effective post is the first post, do not waste it.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Discrodia Well I doubt many people were leaving EVE for that. At least, no one that I knew. Perpetuum, on the other hand... Perpetuum has a long ways to go before it can be considered a threat to Eve.
Thamul	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:29:00 - [15] Perpetuum also really not all that impressive. I gave it a shot for awhile when the EVE rage was high, but I meh'd out of it a month or so ago.
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Originally by: Discrodia Well I doubt many people were leaving EVE for that. At least, no one that I knew. Perpetuum, on the other hand... Perpetuum has a long ways to go before it can be considered a threat to Eve. Never said it was a threat, merely that I know (and am one of) many EVE players who left EVE to go play it. Take that however you will. Quote: The most effective post is the first post, do not waste it.
Monikerina Amarr Macross Space Defense Squadron The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:33:00 - [17] I didn't expect Star Wars Old Republic to be epic, but I expected at least good. * Character creator is junk. I hate to say it, because I despise WiS and Incarna, but the EVE character creator blows it away. * The style of the game is just a 2004 Theme Park style MMORPG. There is no free roam, you are pretty much playing KOTOR with a subscription. Read: Small rail run areas with a door in/out, a boss in the end, and a lot of npcs along the way. I knew it was going to have some fluff, I just expected some substance as well. * No customization of character * No permanent impact on the world ( houses, cities, guild halls ) * Drops destroy the player crafting economy Basically, it is a game you play for the 2 months or so it takes to complete the story, then unsubscribe and return to EVE. I don't think I'll bother buying it on launch.
Thamul	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:37:00 - [18] If by "many eve players" you mean about 100, then yes, "many eve players" have left for Perpetuum. I was almost one, but I noticed that all the Eve players in Perpetuum were just really bittervet whiners who were a few steps from burning out on all games, I realized I didn't want to be in that crowd. There are about 200 or 300 Eve players really playing on Perpetuum, max.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Thamul If by "many eve players" you mean about 100, then yes, "many eve players" have left for Perpetuum. I was almost one, but I noticed that all the Eve players in Perpetuum were just really bittervet whiners who were a few steps from burning out on all games, I realized I didn't want to be in that crowd. There are about 200 or 300 Eve players really playing on Perpetuum, max. Perpetuum is pretty terrible. I tried it, sick of CCP, but it sucks. Guild Wars 2 though, check out you tube PvP vids and other aspects of the game, it looks really good. It is not space ships, but then again, you won't have to pay CCP to develop Dust and WoD while you play it.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Monikerina Don't. I am in the beta, and I have come to the realization that no matter how bad Eve gets, it is still better than anything else. I mean this is just...... it's crap. It is crap. It is so easy that on my last "quest", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little), I taped down my attack button and just ran around while playing Eve on the other machine. I wasn't even watching where I was going, just wall riding, and I completed the quest and ALL bonus quests. It is Star Wars of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same armor, same look, same weapons.... and the people are idiots. Makes me sad, I did so love my Star Wars Nice, way to break the NDA lol well at least I let my displeasure be voiced in non NDA breaking ways: knights of the Old WoW lol anything non WoW Wont work but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. This is your NGE/CU moment CCP.
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Monikerina It is Star Wars of Warcraft. The Warcraft of Star Wars you mean. Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Akita T on 31/08/2011 02:10:08 Too bad Starcraft was already taken, eh ? How about "World of Star Warscraft" ? _ Akita T USEFUL EVE LINKS collection
Anya Ohaya	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:14:00 - [23] My computer can run more than one game. Just sayin'
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Anya Ohaya My computer can run more than one game. Just sayin' What WoW and TOR? have the fully rounded experience? lol ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Th0rG0d Terminal Pharmaceuticals Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol That is one of the saddest things I've ever read. Talk about one of the poorest attitudes a game developer could ever have. "If you don't copy someone else's work, you're dumb" I'm not a creative person, but there are plenty of people who are. You need to be able to create your own formula for success to succeed. Riding someone else's coattails only gets you so far, and it rarely is ever as far as they got. I'm not the happiest with CCP, but if Bioware can't do it, and AC is stagnating with Perp, looks like all that's left for me is THQ's Space Marine. FPS, here I come!
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Th0rG0d Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol That is one of the saddest things I've ever read. Talk about one of the poorest attitudes a game developer could ever have. "If you don't copy someone else's work, you're dumb" I'm not a creative person, but there are plenty of people who are. You need to be able to create your own formula for success to succeed. Riding someone else's coattails only gets you so far, and it rarely is ever as far as they got. I'm not the happiest with CCP, but if Bioware can't do it, and AC is stagnating with Perp, looks like all that's left for me is THQ's Space Marine. FPS, here I come! Yeah EVE is apparently doomed to failure not because of CCP being stupid or making bad decisions, but cause they didnt follow the WoW model. Funnier still are the threads on the SWTOR forums where ppl DEFEND that statement. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:35:00 - [27] Dunno why the Tank/Healer/DPS role divisions are considered the "right" way to balance a multiplayer game. Makes for bloody boring playing after a while. Then again, anything more complicated would probably require too much thinking for the typical online gamer. Heaven forbid there be multiple good and quite different builds for a particular class. Damn, now I miss tanking half a guild with my priest in Ragnarok Online. Anyways, near as can tell, SWTOR is basically a WoW clone with a better storyline and aliens instead of elves and orcs, so not surprised.
Empy Ralt	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:37:00 - [28] They've spent sooo much money on development they need to be mainstream and attract a wow size subscriber base to make it profitable. I sort of hope it fails. I assume perpeptuum is like historical Eve. Largely empty, but shows promise and the developers are focused on making it better. Whereas Eve is less empty but has developers distracted.
Thamul	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Thamul on 31/08/2011 02:39:59 Bottom line is there are two styles of game. Flash... and Hardcore. I think that SW looks like it will be fluff and candy. I prefer my killing bloody and without mercy.
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Thamul On the SWTOR forums, they have said "sandbox mentality MMORPG's were a fad" and "they proved to fail, so they are fading away." To be fair, sandbox MMOs never really became as popular as WoW and other theme park MMOs have. There is a definite demand for sandbox games, and EVE is a testament to that. On the other hand, the market for theme-park MMOs with gated "communities" which separate PvP, PvE, and other types of gameplay is significantly bigger than the market for sandboxes. Yet there are not many good sandbox MMO games out there, so perhaps the issue is not on the demand side, but with the lack of supply.
Thamul	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:50:00 - [31] Well if this game is as the two guys in here testing it say, I will be clinging to my Eve and screaming as the themeparks close in.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Alice Katsuko and STO might provide better PvE content lol good one wait youre serious? The ONLY fun part of that entire game is the deep space encounters and blowing ships up ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Uninhabited Caldari Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:52:00 - [33] Yeah i think i saw some footage of a friend on twitch playing in the beta.. bah Tribes: Ascend is where it's at, maybe(still bitter t2 vet). Jetpacks, skiing, LoL business model.. best of all no Origin and no need to use a browser to change servers. Enjoy your Bf3 'experience'. vgb
What Isdees	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Thamul On the SWTOR forums, they have said "sandbox mentality MMORPG's were a fad" and "they proved to fail, so they are fading away."[/quote Yeah but to be honest that forum is so filled with hard core fanbois, the last testing phase it was difficult to put in bug reports on that section of the forum cause you had 20,000 neckbearded SW nerds cramming their opinions down your throat.
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.08.31 02:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Originally by: Alice Katsuko and STO might provide better PvE content lol good one wait youre serious? The ONLY fun part of that entire game is the deep space encounters and blowing ships up Hence the "might" in that sentence. Point being there are games out there that do the PvE thing better than EVE, although I haven't heard of any games that can match Incursions and Sleepers in terms of difficulty and excitement, though that may be partly because losses in EVE tend to be rather permanent.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Alice Katsuko Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 31/08/2011 02:38:46 Dunno why the Tank/Healer/DPS role divisions are considered the "right" way to balance a multiplayer game. Makes for bloody boring playing after a while. Then again, anything more complicated would probably require too much thinking for the typical online gamer. Heaven forbid there be multiple good and quite different builds for a particular class. Damn, now I miss tanking half a guild with my priest in Ragnarok Online. Well, GW2 is completely flushing the "trinity" down the toilet, making each character able to damage and control the enemy while healing themselves and supporting their allies, as well as flushing questing in general. It's definitely on the buy list. Monocles are so two weeks ago. Sparkle ships are the future!
What Isdees	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Ingvar Angst Originally by: Alice Katsuko Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 31/08/2011 02:38:46 Dunno why the Tank/Healer/DPS role divisions are considered the "right" way to balance a multiplayer game. Makes for bloody boring playing after a while. Then again, anything more complicated would probably require too much thinking for the typical online gamer. Heaven forbid there be multiple good and quite different builds for a particular class. Damn, now I miss tanking half a guild with my priest in Ragnarok Online. Well, GW2 is completely flushing the "trinity" down the toilet, making each character able to damage and control the enemy while healing themselves and supporting their allies, as well as flushing questing in general. It's definitely on the buy list. Well technically.... every character in "A" game CAN be the main healer, has a Tank spec and a DPS Spec But you didnt hear that from me
Gypsy RoseLee	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:20:00 - [38] In case you were leaving SW:TOR for Eve Online...... Don't. I played the game, and I have come to the realization that no matter how bad SW:TOR gets, it is still better than anything else. I mean this is just...... it's crap. It is crap. It is so easy that on my last "mission", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little), I deployed my drones from my Dominix and just sat around while playing SW:TOR on the other machine. I wasn't even watching what my drones were doing, just auto attacking, and I completed the mission and received ALL bonus pay. It is Eve Online of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same ships, same look, same modules.... and the people are idiots. Makes me sad, I did so love my Eve Online
What Isdees	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:26:00 - [39] Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:26:19 Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee It is Eve Online of Warcraft. yeah.... try to make believe SWTOR isnt. Pretend real hard an maybe YOULL even believe that. the fanboi/troll is strong with this one
Pytria Le'Danness	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Monikerina It is Star Wars of Warcraft. ... Makes me sad, I did so love my Star Wars This is more or less exactly the same impression I got from watching the trailers. I was still hoping the impression was wrong though - too bad to see it confirmed.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:28:00 - [41] Worth a look... Monocles are so two weeks ago. Sparkle ships are the future!
What Isdees	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:29:00 - [42] Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:34:02 Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:30:23 Originally by: Ingvar Angst Worth a look... "The URL contained a malformed video ID." Or not worth a look The only part I DO like is the storyline in certain parts of the game you can actually change the outcome. I like that part, but when you start seeing Star Destroyers and iconic technology in the game an you ask on the forums wtf only to be CRUCIFIED by the fanbois cause "youdont know your lore noob, it says in book 3 of blahblah..." Only thing worse than lore hippies in a MMO is a MMO based on established lore with thousands of books/movies/TV shows to back it up
Gypsy RoseLee	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:31:00 - [43] Originally by: What Isdees Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:26:19 Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee It is Eve Online of Warcraft. yeah.... try to make believe SWTOR isnt. Pretend real hard an maybe YOULL even believe that. the fanboi/troll is strong with this one I'm not a fanboy (or in this case, fangirl) of either game, just pointing out simplistic non-challenging PvE occurs in both games. In fact, I would rate the PvE in Eve Online as being worse but it is made up for by the fact that Eve Online has a stronger player crafting and PvP element.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Ingvar Angst Worth a look... fixed GW2 trailer link You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links... Also, "meh" at GW2 too. _ Akita T USEFUL EVE LINKS collection
What Isdees	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ingvar Angst Worth a look... fixed GW2 trailer link You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links... Also, "meh" at GW2 too. never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:38:00 - [46] Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 31/08/2011 03:38:01 Originally by: What Isdees Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ingvar Angst Worth a look... fixed GW2 trailer link You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links... Also, "meh" at GW2 too. never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me That's all completely changed now. Oh, thanks Akita, appreciate. Monocles are so two weeks ago. Sparkle ships are the future!
What Isdees	Posted - 2011.08.31 03:43:00 - [47] Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:45:01 Originally by: Ingvar Angst That's all completely changed now. Oh, thanks Akita, appreciate. Kinda figured it would be by now, years later an all I was just saying it killed my interest back when I tried it. I never looked back though. Maybe I will... hey out of curiosity, if I wanted to get in on the game do I have to buy all the million expansions theyve had or what? The funny thing about TOR is if you point out flaws, the difficulty etc, the MAIN quote is "its just a beta" Funny thing is thats exactly the phrase that kept the fanbois at STO afloat so long lol
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:06:00 - [48] Originally by: What Isdees Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ingvar Angst Worth a look... fixed GW2 trailer link You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links... Also, "meh" at GW2 too. never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me GW2 is much better than GW1. At least, IMO. People will have to make that call themselves. Personally, it is the first MMOG in a LONG time that I am excited for.
What Isdees	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: What Isdees Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ingvar Angst Worth a look... fixed GW2 trailer link You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links... Also, "meh" at GW2 too. never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me GW2 is much better than GW1. At least, IMO. People will have to make that call themselves. Personally, it is the first MMOG in a LONG time that I am excited for. SW WAS till I read the "WoW is the touchstone" thing then I got a cold pit in my stomach, so I wasnt AS disappointed when I got in
Alienist	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:40:00 - [50] I am going to throw a stone into this nest. We all know how EVE community hates WoW. From several reasons. Most of them are quite legit. But at the same time very, very subjective. You know, there is a reason 10 million people play WoW and not EvE. You may hate Coke as well but there is a reason why entire world drinks Coke and not Dr. Pepper. Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind. I do agree however that SWTOR will probably be a letdown. But that would be a subject for a TLDR post.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Alienist I am going to throw a stone into this nest. We all know how EVE community hates WoW. From several reasons. Most of them are quite legit. But at the same time very, very subjective. You know, there is a reason 10 million people play WoW and not EvE. You may hate Coke as well but there is a reason why entire world drinks Coke and not Dr. Pepper. Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind. I do agree however that SWTOR will probably be a letdown. But that would be a subject for a TLDR post. Dont you underatand, if youre in any game other than WoW the number one priority is to ***** about WoW. Its in the Gamers Constitution or something -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. This is your NGE/CU moment CCP.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:52:00 - [52] I only drink coke because no shops in my town stock Dr Pepper. Some folks will get into SW:TOR because they are Star Wars geeks. The poor gameplay won't get to them until a couple of years are up, and in many cases they won't care because they get to use the dark side of the Force and smack good guys around. Playing those "touchstone" games does give me a new appreciation for EVE, even with all its flaws. [ Australian players join channel ANZAC ]
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:54:00 - [53] Not surprising, they all look and play about the same. You just get to pick the shell you want to use. Other then that. Lets see grind levels, do missions, craft, group missions, raids, arena PvP. Yup that pretty much sums them all up.
Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:58:00 - [54] Edited by: Chopper Rollins on 31/08/2011 04:59:54 Originally by: Alienist Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind. I hear you on the liking both games, good for you if you can. True, the wow hating can be a bit hollow and subjective. The quote about wow being the touchstone, from which all deviations are dumb? The reason that is chilling is because it's the words of a money chasing business droid who has no love for games or gamers. His function is to bring profits for shareholders. Mindless zombies like that fail daily and wonder why. They open a restaurant figuring, 'Well people gotta eat...', but they don't like food prep or service or managing restaurants or any of the things that you can make money by doing. They're in it for the dollar alone and the worst of them copy a formula that's been done, which is a sure-fire way to make a mediocre business turn to dust. That's the mindset afflicting ccp, what will be amazing is the baffled and confused look on their faces when everything dries up and fades away. PS Economists are like weathermen, they don't get fired for being wrong, they tell you how things are going and how they will go right up until disaster. Then they explain how the disaster happened and why, then charge you for that expertise! edit: speleling
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.08.31 05:51:00 - [55] GW2 looks to be the spiritual heir to DAoC - with good improvements(as opposed to WAR which was the Paul Barnett taking a ** on on your PC.) Im excited about it, but its a different kind of game than EVE. PlanetSide2 is the other game I want to try. Wherever you went - Here you are.**
Major Stallion The Money Shot Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.31 05:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Nice, way to break the NDA lol because breaking the Bioware NDA on the Eve forums is 100% traceable...
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.31 06:22:00 - [57] got to play it has PAX, nice booth btw CCP and it was a blast seeing two grown men almost get into a fight over a video card, and it really is WoW in space. it feels the same in almost every way to the point you could outright rename the skills to have wow names. it really was a bit of a disappointment. i will have to see how its final PvE is laid out, story questing ect, because that is frankly the only way it might be better. its PvP in on the other hand felt like a direct clone. __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.31 07:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol Weeellà it's a strong IP, in spite of Lucas' heart-felt attempts to kill it, so I don't think it'll go into maintenance until 2013 or so. The servers will probably still be open in 2014. When will people understand that there is one game that already excels at being like WoW and Blizzard, and that is WoW and Blizzard, and that they will always be better at it than everyone else. If that is what people want, you won't pull them away by doing exactly the same ù you have to convince them that they want something else and then offer that instead. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.08.31 07:13:00 - [59] Originally by: Alienist I am going to throw a stone into this nest. We all know how EVE community hates WoW. From several reasons. Most of them are quite legit. But at the same time very, very subjective. You know, there is a reason 10 million people play WoW and not EvE. You may hate Coke as well but there is a reason why entire world drinks Coke and not Dr. Pepper. Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind. There's a huge good reason why a lot of EVE players rip on WoW, which is also the same reason so many people play it, and it's also one of the most often voiced concern regarding fears of possible future developments in EVE : increasingly catering to a lower and lower common denominator. WoW is the distilled essence of a lightly guided themepark ride, holding your hand at almost every turn, making sure you don't make too many mistakes, offering just barely enough choices to make you feel as if you actually have a choice. OF COURSE it appeals to a truckload of people, but that doesn't mean it's really what you could call "good". It's merely pleasant and entertaining, for a limited amount of time. So, by all means, feel free to like both, but know WHY you like each. Whenever somebody holds WoW to be the standard-setter, you're talking about emulating most of the experience, and why the hell would you want to play a game that's basically a rethemed WoW ? Just play WoW instead, they had far more time to refine it. It's not that a WoW-like game is bad, it's that WoW is more like WoW than any other game attempting to be WoW (duh) So if all you want is just WoW with a Star Wars skin, by all means, play TOR. Just know that's exactly what you're going to get. _ Akita T USEFUL EVE LINKS collection
Zey Nadar Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G	Posted - 2011.08.31 07:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Akita T You mean, there were actually people who ever expected this Star Wars MMO to be anything other than a WoW-clone ? Good point. MMOs seem to come off the same assembly line these days. Eve has its failings, but its still original.
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.08.31 08:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Sky Rayden Hilmar? Is that you? This is funny! Originally by: Zey Nadar Originally by: Akita T You mean, there were actually people who ever expected this Star Wars MMO to be anything other than a WoW-clone ? Good point. MMOs seem to come off the same assembly line these days. Eve has its failings, but its still original. This is true. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara f japanska tfskuverslun.

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.31 08:35:00 - [62] Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Neamus	Posted - 2011.08.31 08:48:00 - [63] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Guild Wars 2 & Battlefield 3 is where its at! We have a winner.
Atsuko Yamamoto Spartan Shipyards	Posted - 2011.08.31 10:37:00 - [64] And then we wonder why people say that EvE players have superiority complexes when talking about other MMOs... TOR does have a great deal in common with WoW's design as a game which is not entirely bad. Yeah, you can't really hope that Bioware will be any different in their handling of the game but at the same time it has yet to be proven. The game has many different aspects that WoW never had or will ever probably introduce, (companions, companion assignments, dynamic conversations, story driven content, full voice over etc.etc.) If Bioware handles the game right it could be "that WoW clone that is actually fun." Fun. Remember why we play internet spaceships and lightsabres? I love EvE for the gritty, harsh, boring-as-hell-most-of-the-time game that it is. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy a "lesser" game if I really don't feel like engaging my brain that much and just have fun? Seriously, we should get over ourselves about how seriously ******ed we get about this stuff.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.08.31 11:07:00 - [65] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol Weeellà it's a strong IP, :lol:] Yup, so was Star Trek So was Star Wars the first go around tho that was SOE that screwed with that -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too.
Baljos Arnjak	Posted - 2011.08.31 11:38:00 - [66] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol Weeellà it's a strong IP, :lol:] Yup, so was Star Trek So was Star Wars the first go around tho that was SOE that screwed with that If you're talking about SWG, yeah, it was awesome before they chucked their core gameplay out the window. Complex player driven economy, high-level goals to work for, decent pvp, interesting and diverse skill system... If they would have kept the core of it and added the content they did after the lobotomy ...errr NGE, I think the game would still be going strong, now it's shutting down in December.
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.08.31 11:54:00 - [67] Originally by: Monikerina It is Star Wars of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same armor, same look, same weapons.... and the people are idiots. A wow clone, huh? Sigh.. Star Wars Galaxies NGE was a straight up wow clone.. what's the point..
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.08.31 12:10:00 - [68] Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 31/08/2011 12:13:21 Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 31/08/2011 12:12:24 Originally by: Sullen Skoung Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Yikes.. where do they find these people.. Has the guy never heard of a little thing called Everquest, the FIRST game in the history of mmo's? Or Eve, for that matter? I think.. if these mmo's keep failing one after the other.. maybe that's the end of mmo's, it will just be twitchy micro / macro transaction pay to play arcade junk from now on. Or we'll all end up growing corn on our Facebook page.
Buruk Utama	Posted - 2011.08.31 13:00:00 - [69] SWTOR was never meant to be much different than most MMO's out there. They wanted to bring back life to the franchise and Lucas went to one of the best studios around to reinvigorate the franchise. Bioware has done an amazing job and the game will be the most polished mmo out there. OP is full of crap too regarding the ability to quest as they stated since most quest require you to interact in some way with the world to complete it. The quest bunkers don't work that way, it isn't a tunnel OP so your lie exposes you to be "anything that isn't eve suzors!!!!!" gamer. SWTOR is completely voiced, every interaction has a cut scene and good/evil/neutral options which affect the responses, it is neat and new and yes tiresome after a while. Those that like RP and story will love the game for what it is. What SWTOR is not is a pvp-primary game or player-driven content game. If you put an expectation on the game that it never claimed to be, you have only yourself to blame for your self-created letdown. If OP was in the closed beta they would realize everyone is testing a development de-bugging build. It isn't the final build and extensive features are left out and many things will be changed/added in the future; including streamlining the data streams. Bioware is not incorrect in following what WOW does as WOW is king of all mmo's. It's easy as a gamer with no financial investment to kick at the game and scream you want something new but honestly, if people did want something new WOW wouldn't have millions of customers and the newest mmo's wouldn't be adopting free-to-play pricing schemes. The player's actions speak volumes compared to their words....those actions are they LOVE WoW and story-quest driven content. In this field SWTOR will dominate since all the story-quest are cut scene movies.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.31 13:05:00 - [70] Edited by: stoicfaux on 31/08/2011 13:05:25 Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." To be fair, the next paragraph is: Quote: What's interesting is how Zeschuk, sitting with Mike Morhaime at the keynote panel, gave WoW the reverence it deserves as the leading industry standard in MMO gaming. Instead of couching his remarks about the specific game he was in the process of making, he discussed how players expect a set of established standards that WoW has provided. Be it a sense of completion of polish, a game mechanic, core concepts, or even art direction and fluidity of art theme, World of Warcraft set the bar very high for other game developers and even Blizzard itself. Also, Planetside 2... EVE Online and Battlefield 2 listed as major inspirations for Planetside 2 ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Kaomond	Posted - 2011.08.31 13:15:00 - [71] Edited by: Kaomond on 31/08/2011 13:21:36 Originally by: Trixie Stardust Has the guy never heard of a little thing called Everquest, the FIRST game in the history of mmo's? Or Eve, for that matter? Erm... wrong ... Everquest was released March 16th 1999, at that point there had been another MMO running for almost 2yrs already; Ultima Online, released September 30th 1997, which makes it almsot 14yrs old and still running :D And UO wasn't even the first (although the term MMORPG was originally coined by Richard Garriott the guy who created UO) there were earlier less technoglogically advanced MMOGS before UO such as Nexus and Meridien 59, both released in early 1996.
Taedrin Gallente Kushan Industrial	Posted - 2011.08.31 13:55:00 - [72] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol Weeellà it's a strong IP, in spite of Lucas' heart-felt attempts to kill it, so I don't think it'll go into maintenance until 2013 or so. The servers will probably still be open in 2014. When will people understand that there is one game that already excels at being like WoW and Blizzard, and that is WoW and Blizzard, and that they will always be better at it than everyone else. If that is what people want, you won't pull them away by doing exactly the same ù you have to convince them that they want something else and then offer that instead. QFT. There's nothing wrong with WoW per se. It's a great game, with lots of pretty visuals, the game is easy to wrap your head around, the learning curve is very gentle, the story (can be) compelling and is all around a great game. The problem is that we already have WoW, and we don't need another WoW. When Blizzard made WoW, they didn't try to create another EverQuest. Yes, they copied heavily from EverQuest, but they also heavily improved upon it. They made quests easy to find and understand, they severely reduced the amount of grinding int he game (it could take you WEEKS to level up in EverQuest), they all but removed the penalties of death (losing days worth of experience, plus all items not in your bank) and much more. The problem with all of the WoW clones today is that corporations who make these games are just trying to profit off of WoW's success. They are saying "we want some of WoW's money too!". Instead, if they want to succeed, they should find a way to improve upon WoW, or at least differentiate themselves from it. Originally by: Kaomond Edited by: Kaomond on 31/08/2011 13:21:36 Originally by: Trixie Stardust Has the guy never heard of a little thing called Everquest, the FIRST game in the history of mmo's? Or Eve, for that matter? Erm... wrong ... Everquest was released March 16th 1999, at that point there had been another MMO running for almost 2yrs already; Ultima Online, released September 30th 1997, which makes it almsot 14yrs old and still running :D And UO wasn't even the first (although the term MMORPG was originally coined by Richard Garriott the guy who created UO) there were earlier less technoglogically advanced MMOGS before UO such as Nexus and Meridien 59, both released in early 1996. To be fair, EverQuest was the MMO that defined the genre and created the market. Yeah, UO came first, and MUDS were around far longer before even that. But EverQuest was the first MMO, the first proof-of-concept that you could convince players to buy your game to play online, and then pay money every month for the privilege to continue playing. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Kaomond	Posted - 2011.08.31 14:10:00 - [73] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Kaomond Edited by: Kaomond on 31/08/2011 13:21:36 Originally by: Trixie Stardust Has the guy never heard of a little thing called Everquest, the FIRST game in the history of mmo's? Or Eve, for that matter? Erm... wrong ... Everquest was released March 16th 1999, at that point there had been another MMO running for almost 2yrs already; Ultima Online, released September 30th 1997, which makes it almsot 14yrs old and still running :D And UO wasn't even the first (although the term MMORPG was originally coined by Richard Garriott the guy who created UO) there were earlier less technoglogically advanced MMOGS before UO such as Nexus and Meridien 59, both released in early 1996. To be fair, EverQuest was the MMO that defined the genre and created the market. Yeah, UO came first, and MUDS were around far longer before even that. But EverQuest was the first MMO, the first proof-of-concept that you could convince players to buy your game to play online, and then pay money every month for the privilege to continue playing. I have to totally disagree with that, UO charged monthly, people payed monthly and are still paying monthly until this day, so i would say logic dictates UO was "the first proof-of-concept that you could convince players to buy your game to play online, and then pay money every month for the privilege to continue playing.", plus however anyone feels UO was infact the first MMO (at least to use the phrase) quite simply because it was the designer of UO that invented the term MMO specifically for UO. EQ was the first true Third person MMO with a proper 3D engine though i will give it that.
Kaomond	Posted - 2011.08.31 14:13:00 - [74] Edited by: Kaomond on 31/08/2011 14:14:41 Hmn double post lol
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.08.31 14:17:00 - [75] Originally by: Akita T You mean, there were actually people who ever expected this Star Wars MMO to be anything other than a WoW-clone ? Lol I have to agree but throw the name "star wars" into anything and people become fan boi's. I wonder if playing the game they get Cognitive Dissonance? Even gaming sites have stated there's nothing new just the voice acting. I did see an argument stating "Why do we need innovation in every new game? Why can't we have the same ole same ole every time?" I will probably never see eye to eye with that person, but if you like starwars, and theme park MMO's. Sounds like it's the place for you. Me I'm rather tired of the same formula re-skined.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.31 14:28:00 - [76] Originally by: Discrodia Never said it was a threat, merely that I know (and am one of) many EVE players who left EVE to go play it. Take that however you will. I'm not sure how to take that, since you're still here.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.31 14:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Blacksquirrel Originally by: Akita T You mean, there were actually people who ever expected this Star Wars MMO to be anything other than a WoW-clone ? Lol I have to agree but throw the name "star wars" into anything and people become fan boi's. I wonder if playing the game they get Cognitive Dissonance? Even gaming sites have stated there's nothing new just the voice acting. I did see an argument stating "Why do we need innovation in every new game? Why can't we have the same ole same ole every time?" I will probably never see eye to eye with that person, but if you like starwars, and theme park MMO's. Sounds like it's the place for you. Me I'm rather tired of the same formula re-skined. Same thing can pretty much be said about literally anything today though, surely you know this? Why? Because innovation sells, just like sex sells. I like Star Wars and I'll play SWTOR a month or two. Although I honestly think the game is going to struggle, not so much with any competitor out there but from the expectations of players. A WoW clone is nothing bad in itself, as WoW is a clone of EQ. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.31 15:31:00 - [78] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 31/08/2011 02:01:22 Originally by: Monikerina Don't. I am in the beta, and I have come to the realization that no matter how bad Eve gets, it is still better than anything else. I mean this is just...... it's crap. It is crap. It is so easy that on my last "quest", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little), I taped down my attack button and just ran around while playing Eve on the other machine. I wasn't even watching where I was going, just wall riding, and I completed the quest and ALL bonus quests. It is Star Wars of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same armor, same look, same weapons.... and the people are idiots. Makes me sad, I did so love my Star Wars Nice, way to break the NDA lol well at least I let my displeasure be voiced in non NDA breaking ways: Star wars skin on WoW lol anything non WoW Wont work but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Thats the guys in charge lol That statement is why I hate marketers more than I hate lawyers. Marketers are the reason why all cars that don't cost more than you can earn in three to four years all look alike - and look dumb. Marketers are the reason why all movies are the same old rehashed crap same old story different time period, characters, etc. Marketers are the people who see ONE thing work well, and then want to copy it until consumers who have a brain are ready to puke. Marketers are the people who KILL shows like Lexx and Firefly and MST3K and give us more Stargate spinoff that displaces good crappy B movies on the Sci fi channel. Marketers are probably going to kill Eve eventually.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.08.31 17:17:00 - [79] lol Quote: If you have watched any of the gameplay videos from SWEATER IÆm sure that it has struck you that Bioware did not jump the shark over the uncanny valley and go for lifelike graphics. The art nestles itself somewhere firmly between the World of Warcraft style on the left and oh, say, EverQuest 2 on the right. Quote: ôWe do that on purpose because a realistic looking game will look great the first year, will look okay the second year, and look terrible three years later when people make fun of it. While a more abstract style has more longevity. More polygons, better technology, would add nothing to the style weÆve chosen.ö lol great quote... rather than keeping up with technology and making it look good we decided to make it look like ** so it will always look like **. -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too.
Narisa Bithon Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn	Posted - 2011.08.31 17:21:00 - [80] how long before the russians have rmt bots in it?
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.08.31 17:22:00 - [81] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 31/08/2011 17:22:55 Originally by: Buruk Utama OP is full of crap too regarding the ability to quest as they stated since most quest require you to interact in some way with the world to complete it. The quest bunkers don't work that way, it isn't a tunnel OP so your lie exposes you to be "anything that isn't eve suzors!!!!!" gamer. Gotta call you on your bull** buddy, SWTOR is the MOST rail driven MMO Ive ever seen. The fact that there are more threads on the test forum noting that the game feels less like a MMO than it does a single player Bioware game are pretty much a testament to that. Im guessing you never got to the star ship combat section if you dont think the game is tunnel/rail driven lol The starship combat is Starfox with a graphics upgrade and the enemies literally fly in front of your guns an waggle their asses at you Originally by:** stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 31/08/2011 13:05:25 Originally by: Sullen Skoung but the CEO of Bioware says it best: Quote: Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." To be fair, the next paragraph is: Quote: What's interesting is how Zeschuk, sitting with Mike Morhaime at the keynote panel, gave WoW the reverence it deserves as the leading industry standard in MMO gaming. Instead of couching his remarks about the specific game he was in the process of making, he discussed how players expect a set of established standards that WoW has provided. Be it a sense of completion of polish, a game mechanic, core concepts, or even art direction and fluidity of art theme, World of Warcraft set the bar very high for other game developers and even Blizzard itself. Also, Planetside 2... EVE Online and Battlefield 2 listed as major inspirations for Planetside 2 yeah... the next paragraph TOTALLY invalidates the one I quoted -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.31 19:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Sullen Skoung yeah... the next paragraph TOTALLY invalidates the one I quoted Is the guy saying that everyone should copy WoW's gameplay and paradigms? Or is he saying that other MMOs should emulate Blizzard's attention to polish, to detail, stability, not releasing half-finished content, etc.? (Let's be honest here, Blizzard isn't known for doing a half-ass job. CCP on the other hand...) Both paragraphs can be interpreted either way. ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.09.01 06:46:00 - [83] Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 01/09/2011 06:47:11 Originally by: Kaomond Erm... wrong ... Everquest was released March 16th 1999, at that point there had been another MMO running for almost 2yrs already; Ultima Online, released September 30th 1997, which makes it almsot 14yrs old and still running :D After I posted this I thought later, "someone is gonna mention ultima online" lol. I think of EQ as the first MMO because it was the first first-person three dimensional mmo (and don't mention Doom to me, I can't remember if that came before but it wasn't comparable to EQ). I played shortly after launch.. co-worker told me about it. I remember being blown away and thinking "in the future people will be doing everything online." That hasn't quite come to pass the way I foresaw, though Second Life comes close. Everquest was so awesome and innovative I just assumed that mmo's would get better. The next one to come out was Microsoft's Asheron's Call, which sucked bad. And they've all sucked since, except Eve. Wow ruined the whole industry from a gaming and innovation standpoint. Only innovating anyone does now are cash shops, slot machine models, how to squeeze cash out of people. Ugh I'm feeling old.. when a game was a game.. now games have devolved to slot machines. Get off my lawn!
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.09.01 06:55:00 - [84] Originally by: stoicfaux Or is he saying that other MMOs should emulate Blizzard's attention to polish, to detail, stability, not releasing half-finished content, etc.? (Let's be honest here, Blizzard isn't known for doing a half-ass job. CCP on the other hand...) He was talking about the gaming model. But yes, wow is very polished. It works. Bugs are rare. I actually started playing for the first time recently.. the game is pretty, zero lag even in 40 man per team battlegrounds. I'm hooked on the pvp but.. the pve is so simplistic it's sad.
Sora De'Quasar Minmatar Cosmodynamics	Posted - 2011.09.01 12:41:00 - [85] I will be playing SWTOR but mainly for the fun in it, its star wars, its bioware [yeah I'm a bioware fangirl] and I want good story lines in a game and swtor will give me that. think about it this way: take soliter and football for example, you can play soliter because what it is and football becase its... football. you don't hate soliter cuz it doesnt feel and looks like football, the reason you may not play it can be because you just don't like it, doesnt fit your taste or that you just dont enjoy playing it. you cant just start comparing them and judging them for NOT having the same things you like in the other game. It's just spoils the fun you can have in playing the special things that the certin game has to offer. in the end its about what you like in that specific game and not the things you dont like becuase it doesnt have the things you like in other completly different game. it's not ment to be the same, thank god. swtor doesnt really have anything in common with eve, except maybe spaceships that ARE a minor part of it that has nothing to do with EVE and it being an mmo. for your sake, if you like star wars and the old republic, try and take this in consideration and just enjoy it as an online star wars game and not like an mmo in a competition with EVE. And have fun, I KNOW i will
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.09.01 12:50:00 - [86] Originally by: Sora De'Quasar I will be playing SWTOR but mainly for the fun in it, its star wars, its bioware [yeah I'm a bioware fangirl] and I want good story lines in a game and swtor will give me that. think about it this way: take soliter and football for example, you can play soliter because what it is and football becase its... football. you don't hate soliter cuz it doesnt feel and looks like football, the reason you may not play it can be because you just don't like it, doesnt fit your taste or that you just dont enjoy playing it. you cant just start comparing them and judging them for NOT having the same things you like in the other game. It's just spoils the fun you can have in playing the special things that the certin game has to offer. in the end its about what you like in that specific game and not the things you dont like becuase it doesnt have the things you like in other completly different game. it's not ment to be the same, thank god. swtor doesnt really have anything in common with eve, except maybe spaceships that ARE a minor part of it that has nothing to do with EVE and it being an mmo. for your sake, if you like star wars and the old republic, try and take this in consideration and just enjoy it as an online star wars game and not like an mmo in a competition with EVE. And have fun, I KNOW i will Yeah but why fork over money to play a game you've already played? Or why buy the same car with a different color paint job? I've had enough theme park MMO's with button mashing, and same class structure mechanics. Every preview i've seen said "dont look here for something new." Just because my new car now has a star wars sticker on it doesn't mean it will be better than my other car or drive better. Now some people dont want new or dont want innovation, and kudos to them. I'm not even saying it's going to be a bad game... But I am sick and tired of the same ole same ole when it comes to fantasy MMO's.
Sora De'Quasar Minmatar Cosmodynamics	Posted - 2011.09.01 13:22:00 - [87] Edited by: Sora De''Quasar on 01/09/2011 13:30:21 Originally by: Blacksquirrel Originally by: Sora De'Quasar I will be playing SWTOR but mainly for the fun in it, its star wars, its bioware [yeah I'm a bioware fangirl] and I want good story lines in a game and swtor will give me that. think about it this way: take soliter and football for example, you can play soliter because what it is and football becase its... football. you don't hate soliter cuz it doesnt feel and looks like football, the reason you may not play it can be because you just don't like it, doesnt fit your taste or that you just dont enjoy playing it. you cant just start comparing them and judging them for NOT having the same things you like in the other game. It's just spoils the fun you can have in playing the special things that the certin game has to offer. in the end its about what you like in that specific game and not the things you dont like becuase it doesnt have the things you like in other completly different game. it's not ment to be the same, thank god. swtor doesnt really have anything in common with eve, except maybe spaceships that ARE a minor part of it that has nothing to do with EVE and it being an mmo. for your sake, if you like star wars and the old republic, try and take this in consideration and just enjoy it as an online star wars game and not like an mmo in a competition with EVE. And have fun, I KNOW i will Yeah but why fork over money to play a game you've already played? Or why buy the same car with a different color paint job? I've had enough theme park MMO's with button mashing, and same class structure mechanics. Every preview i've seen said "dont look here for something new." Just because my new car now has a star wars sticker on it doesn't mean it will be better than my other car or drive better. Now some people dont want new or dont want innovation, and kudos to them. I'm not even saying it's going to be a bad game... But I am sick and tired of the same ole same ole when it comes to fantasy MMO's. I did as well, and that's why I play EVE. BUT, bioware did and doing most excellent games and story lines in the game industry. I am going to play swtor for this reason only. Don't really think I am going to go and focuse on pvp because it really isnt the main subject in swtor. the story, fully voices characters and the cut scense is what swtor is all about. it's a perfect game for RPing and yeah, for a game like this, you do need a solid game mechanics this is why they are using wows, with some of their perks like companions and spaceship fights for exmple. It will be somewhat different then other wow clones out there thanks to that. I'm not saying that i will be playing this game for years, but i will play it much more then all the other single player games i have ever played, not to talk about all the mmos i tried in the past. EVE is a pearl in the mmo market, it has a long longevity because its overall game mechanics and gameplay is so diverse and different then all the other mmos. you always learn new things, you need to take a big risk and may lose a lot when you fail [and it really hurts to] it takes a lot of skills, time and patience to get in the game and play it, you need to use all your brain cells and have guts because its a sandbox, like in life, you cant predict what will happen and what other people are thinking and what they are able to do and/or going to do. in all the other mmos, there is a stricked line of actions and things you can do and they are strickted by the existence of servers, your in game abilitys, character skills and time consumption. lets just say, the less life you have, the stronger your character is. there is nothing that will change that in mmos, unless they will creat whole NEW game mechanics in some genius way. problem with this is that its a big risk. companies want to sell and not risk anything. eve was kinda successfull with this, but still you dont see millions of people playing it...
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.09.01 13:42:00 - [88] Wall of text much? Oh, and what the fudge is soliter? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Roosterton Eternal Frontier	Posted - 2011.09.01 18:18:00 - [89] Edited by: Roosterton on 01/09/2011 18:19:43 .....I'd rather stick with CCP and Hilmar. I love KOTOR, I love Starwars, and I love Bioware, but this screams all sort of **. I'll likely just read some Expanded Universe novels set in that era to find out what happens, then move on. It's a shame. KOTOR 1 was awesome, and KOTOR 2 was awesome (if you modded the cut content back in ) but they simply weren't MMOs. Of course, since MMO's make more money than KOTOR 3, they decided to drop KOTOR 3 (after doing most of the nitty-gritty work on it) and work on TOR instead. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by:** Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

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