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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:02:00 -
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^topic
Cause seriously.. This would be the last drop...
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:05:00 -
[2]
No.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:08:00 -
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People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:12:00 -
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Well let's startvwith the *facts*:
- mining sucks
- people that mine do it for profit
- 0.0 is far more lucrative
- there are serious game breaking bugs to deal with
- there are serious overly powered ships with no counter other than you bringing more of them to the fight to balance
- sov grind is an actualy labor, no fun to be found at any point along that line
- people are moaning their lost flat world sanctum whoring ability
And now, ice is up for removal from high sec?
The fact this even made it onto even a trolls to do list is amazing. There are far bigger fish to fry!
For me, the best part of Incarna is the fact we all contracted 'Space Nits'. "I docked up and all I got was 'head lice'." ;-p |
Jackson Brown
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:16:00 -
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Yes, it is true, and supercarriers and titans will be nerfed to uselessness.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Spurty
Well let's startvwith the *facts*:
- mining sucks
- people that mine do it for profit
- 0.0 is far more lucrative
- there are serious game breaking bugs to deal with
- there are serious overly powered ships with no counter other than you bringing more of them to the fight to balance
- sov grind is an actualy labor, no fun to be found at any point along that line
- people are moaning their lost flat world sanctum whoring ability
And now, ice is up for removal from high sec?
The fact this even made it onto even a trolls to do list is amazing. There are far bigger fish to fry!
I'm not trollin' - a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.
I understand why some people would like ICE removed from empire, but this would be a huge mistake do do something like this now, when already so many people left due to overly draconian changes that were employed in resent years. Let's not forget the people who mine ice simply for pure profit while watching a nice movie, and dont care for POSs, fuel, PvP, politics or any of that stuff. I see nothing wrong with this.
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Digital Gaidin
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:32:00 -
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Ice miners directly affect the prices of Nullsec warfare, and we should hold off on removing the Ice from empire because people want to watch a movie while they play EVE and afk-mine in near-absolute safety?
Yea... going to need a better argument than that to convince many of us who feel that Ice should never have been in empire to begin with... 
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex
a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.
It's not.
What it is is people suffering from highsec persecution complex who dream up nerfs that are supposed to happen to them based on a failure to read very simple language.
The fact is this: as part of their 5-year nullsec development plan, CCP are discussing an idea that nullsec should be the sole source of at least some of the types of ice in the game. So it is not ôvery soonö and it is not ôall iceö anyway.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex
a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.
You and your friend are both idiots. 30 seconds would have found the answer.
Reading the official Devblog states this:
Originally by: Devblog
long term
Originally by: Devblog
why we're saying "more than five years"
Originally by: Devblog
THIS WILL ALL TAKE A LONG-ASS TIME TO HAPPEN
Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will be changed or dropped before it ever gets implemented. Some of it will never happen
Originally by: Devblog
This is a roadmap, not a production schedule.
and finally to reiterate:
Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will never happen
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.09.05 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Sir Ibex
a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.
You and your friend are both idiots. 30 seconds would have found the answer.
Reading the official Devblog states this:
Originally by: Devblog
long term
Originally by: Devblog
why we're saying "more than five years"
Originally by: Devblog
THIS WILL ALL TAKE A LONG-ASS TIME TO HAPPEN
Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will be changed or dropped before it ever gets implemented. Some of it will never happen
Originally by: Devblog
This is a roadmap, not a production schedule.
and finally to reiterate:
Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will never happen
In short: the OP was right about the rumor of ice being removed from highsec. Way I read the devblog, is that it's likely going to happen, far as CCP is concerned, but that they continue monitoring community feedback, and will consider other things, before they make anything final.
So, when met with enough opposition they may well leave ice in highsec, but it's my understanding that CCP itself wants to move it to lowsec/nullsec exlusively.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:06:00 -
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no instead of ice being unlimmited it will disapeer and regenerate like normal rocks
Eve online next expansion details |
Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:08:00 -
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Considering CCP's glacial development speed, I can guarantee you that the removal of high sec ice - even if confirmed - will almost surely never happen.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sadayiel on 05/09/2011 17:08:42
Originally by: Sir Ibex
Originally by: Spurty
Well let's startvwith the *facts*:
- mining sucks
- people that mine do it for profit
- 0.0 is far more lucrative
- there are serious game breaking bugs to deal with
- there are serious overly powered ships with no counter other than you bringing more of them to the fight to balance
- sov grind is an actualy labor, no fun to be found at any point along that line
- people are moaning their lost flat world sanctum whoring ability
And now, ice is up for removal from high sec?
The fact this even made it onto even a trolls to do list is amazing. There are far bigger fish to fry!
I'm not trollin' - a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.
I understand why some people would like ICE removed from empire, but this would be a huge mistake do do something like this now, when already so many people left due to overly draconian changes that were employed in resent years. Let's not forget the people who mine ice simply for pure profit while watching a nice movie, and dont care for POSs, fuel, PvP, politics or any of that stuff. I see nothing wrong with this.
Me neither also it is a fact that EVE has been dying since 2003, there is post around there that prove it!!
Also i kind of remember CCP reducing some Ice areas in hi-sec like 2-3 years ago or even more
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:16:00 -
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We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
It's not.
What it is is people suffering from highsec persecution complex
Looks like CCP is suffering from it too
Quote:
Sole source of ice and high-end minerals
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game. This ensures that nullsec mining retains a unique value proposition, and guarantees that mining time for these types is priced according the risk and effort involved in nullsec extraction.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.
$80 monocles tend to adjust ones perspective on whats believable.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 05/09/2011 17:50:21
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Looks like CCP is suffering from it too
Quote:
Sole source of ice and high-end minerals
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game.
Nice edit there. It's this kind of wilful self-deception and nigh on paranoid altering of facts I refer to as the highsec persecution complex.
Anyway, no, they're not. Let's look at the actual quote, shall we? Quote:
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting (at least some of the) ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game.
So, yes, the notion that all ice will be removed from highsec is something highsec dwellers have dreamed up because they can't read, not something CCP has ever mentioned, much like the supposed removal of L4s that also was never mentioned.
It might be the case that as part of a 5-year plan, they will make sure some types of ice are only available in nullsec. Some ù might ù in upwards of 5 years. There is no mention whatsoever about removing all highsec ice, and the any reshuffling of other ice that might happen will not happen very soon.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Prince Kobol on 05/09/2011 17:55:29
Edited by: Prince Kobol on 05/09/2011 17:52:27
Tippa, as much as I like your posting in the past, your condesening attitude is starting to get old.
The topic about moving ice to null started why back during the Alliance Tourny when it was discussed live.
When it was talked about it was about MOVING all ice to null, something which the panal agreed with.
Yes it was mentioned during the blog regarding the 5 year plan but it was also talked about before then.
At the moment you can not help people being very skeptical about anything CCP say.
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Tetragammatron Prime
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:00:00 -
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How long have we been waiting for some dude to change a couple numbers to nerf the dramiel and increase logistics warp speed? Will be another decade before they even start to make plans for changes to ice distribution.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:00:00 -
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To be honest Tippia is arguing just to argue.
CCP(even in this very thread) has said that they are considering major changes to ice in the future.
Looking at CCPs recent track record its reasonable for people worry about the worst case serio for any change.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 05/09/2011 18:24:40
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Tippa, as much as I like your posting in the past, your condesening attitude is starting to get old.
I have grown to old and weary to have patience with self-imposed ignorance, even more so when it's so blatantly obvious that people are inventing **** just to be able to get all worked up about the nonsense they've just invented.
Quote:
The topic about moving ice to null started why back during the Alliance Tourny when it was discussed live.
àand what was said back then isn't particularly relevant when that was just 5-second soundbites compared to the actual design pointers that were then presented.
Quote:
At the moment you can not help people being very skeptical about anything CCP say.
No, but I can be sceptical (and, yes, condescending) towards people who blatantly alter and falsify statements and then claim that it's CCP who said it.
Originally by: Ghoest
To be honest Tippia is arguing just to argue.
Not really. I'm correcting people to provide them with correct information. If they have invented their own information, then yes, I also like to smack them over the head a bit. Neither really counts as arguing.
Quote:
CCP(even in this very thread) has said that they are considering major changes to ice in the future.
Looking at CCPs recent track record its reasonable for people worry about the worst case serio for any change.
àand no-one is arguing that. What I'm saying that the whole ôomgz, highsec nerfö is just the product of wilful ignorance or an outright inability to read.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Arte
The Darkness Within
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
CCP(even in this very thread) has said that they are considering major changes to ice in the future.
You may be right BUT I believe Tippia's post was pointing out that while some may want to assume that the world is about to end, misquoting a Dev does not make your arguement more credible, it makes you look a panic-merchant who's determined to troll in order to spread dissent and concern.
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
Does not equal
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Sole source of ice and high-end minerals
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game.
That game is called Chinese Whispers - we may have played it when we were young. It's fun, but has no place in here. (though it's here in abunance). There are a great deal many changes which sound good but are never implemented, and rubish changes can fall by the way side too.
To be honest. All this nay-saying is doing my nut in. If they say something we don't like, it's gospel. If they say something that sounds good, we don't believe them. That might be 'CCP's fault', but if you don't believe anything you read unless it's bad, then just stop reading - or you can try and be more objective like adults are supposed to be.
(Now that's condescending! Sorry )
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
"So you're going to have to do some actual thinking..."
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Richard Hammond II
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arte
or you can try and be more objective like adults are supposed to be.
lol do as i say not as I do
(or say in this case)
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Arte
The Darkness Within
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Hammond II
Originally by: Arte
or you can try and be more objective like adults are supposed to be.
lol do as i say not as I do
(or say in this case)
Hah. My mum always used to beat me with that saying.
It's true, the nay saying has ground me down and it's all I seem to see on the forums nowadays.
That is... worse that it ever used to be. At least in the old days the smack-talk was aimed at each other with a sense of humour, now there's just so much.... malice.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
"So you're going to have to do some actual thinking..."
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.
Your signature is the personification of that good sir.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.05 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.
$80 monocles tend to adjust ones perspective on whats believable.
Real wisdom is being able to believe anything but knowing what not to.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.09.05 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
is this the same as CCP shadows comments on micro transactions?
if so, expect no ice in high sec for the next expansion
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Dock 94
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Posted - 2011.09.05 19:07:00 -
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Removing ice from hi-sec would mean less industrials to gank. This would indeed be sad.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.05 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Soundwave on 05/09/2011 19:49:19
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
is this the same as CCP shadows comments on micro transactions?
if so, expect no ice in high sec for the next expansion
No clue, I don't know all Shadows posts by heart. But the tl;dr here is that I'm not touching it for now.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.05 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Edited by: CCP Soundwave on 05/09/2011 19:49:19
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
is this the same as CCP shadows comments on micro transactions?
if so, expect no ice in high sec for the next expansion
No clue, I don't know all Shadows posts by heart. But the tl;dr here is that I'm not touching it for now.
lol... even CCP's are like "no comment" hey at least theyre getting smart
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:01:00 -
[31]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
you should totally do it, tbh
move it to null, increase the yield. Add some gravimetric ice sites for everyone else.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
you should totally do it, tbh
move it to null, increase the yield. Add some gravimetric ice sites for everyone else.
Move it all to low sec.
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Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
you should totally do it, tbh
move it to null, increase the yield. Add some gravimetric ice sites for everyone else.
If you moved all the ice, exploration sites, research lab slots and level 4 missions to lol sec and 0.0 I would leave empire space in a heartbeat.
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Puppet Mas'ter
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 05/09/2011 20:11:36
Originally by: Perramas
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
you should totally do it, tbh
move it to null, increase the yield. Add some gravimetric ice sites for everyone else.
If you moved all the ice, exploration sites, research lab slots and level 4 missions to lol sec and 0.0 I would leave empire space in a heartbeat.
Great idea: remove high sec. Make it all 0.0
Just think, there would be nowhere for the "pubbie noobs" to go, theyd leave, an youd have the game all to yourselves. Fixes lag too
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Perramas
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
you should totally do it, tbh
move it to null, increase the yield. Add some gravimetric ice sites for everyone else.
If you moved all the ice, exploration sites, research lab slots and level 4 missions to lol sec and 0.0 I would leave empire space in a heartbeat.
dont need to move everything, but ice is just pretty useless sitting in highsec being lapped up by bots or crazy people with tons of accounts
move it somewhere else and make something useful out of it
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AnzacPaul
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: AnzacPaul on 05/09/2011 20:20:16
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
dont need to move everything, but ice is just pretty useless sitting in highsec being lapped up by bots or crazy people with tons of accounts
move it somewhere else and make something useful out of it
you could say exactly the same thing for nullsec.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: AnzacPaul
Edited by: AnzacPaul on 05/09/2011 20:20:16
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
dont need to move everything, but ice is just pretty useless sitting in highsec being lapped up by bots or crazy people with tons of accounts
move it somewhere else and make something useful out of it
you could say exactly the same thing for nullsec.
you could say the same thing for all ores
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:22:00 -
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Yes, along with Level 4 missions, ice mining will be removed from highsec. The game will be much better...just trust us.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:31:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Yes, along with Level 4 missions, ice mining will be removed from highsec. The game will be much better...just trust us.
nice troll
why not say all the ice and all the missions an all the ores if youre gonna lie about it lol
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.09.05 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 05/09/2011 20:51:42
Originally by: AnzacPaul
Edited by: AnzacPaul on 05/09/2011 20:20:16you could say exactly the same thing for nullsec.
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
you could say the same thing for all ores
fair points
so long as mining requires no real player input, it's always going to be best done by multiboxers and bots
still, so long as CCP do something about that before the end of time, moving ice somewhere else would be positive imho
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
far as CCP is concerned, but that they continue monitoring community feedback, and will consider other things, before they make anything final.
sorry, started laughing really hard at this.
pr0 tip: CCP dosent care about its community and what the community wants for its flagship game. they only care about your money and new subs.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Varesk
Originally by: Ranka Mei
far as CCP is concerned, but that they continue monitoring community feedback, and will consider other things, before they make anything final.
sorry, started laughing really hard at this.
pr0 tip: CCP dosent care about its community and what the community wants for its flagship game. they only care about your money and new subs.
which is why im starting to think the idea that they WANT the whiners to quit so they can put pay 2 win into the game and start over with a fresh new group of ppl isnt so tinfoily anymore lol
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Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Varesk
Originally by: Ranka Mei
far as CCP is concerned, but that they continue monitoring community feedback, and will consider other things, before they make anything final.
sorry, started laughing really hard at this.
pr0 tip: CCP dosent care about its community and what the community wants for its flagship game. they only care about your money and new subs.
which is why im starting to think the idea that they WANT the whiners to quit so they can put pay 2 win into the game and start over with a fresh new group of ppl isnt so tinfoily anymore lol
That is a good point, however, the game is horribly broke atm and nothing will change. They will just milk it dry until WoD and Dust are released. Then after Dust dies, after the 3 month shelf life of any FPS, they will move all the devs to WoD and shut the server down.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Varesk
That is a good point, however, the game is horribly broke atm and nothing will change. They will just milk it dry until WoD and Dust are released. Then after Dust dies, after the 3 month shelf life of any FPS, they will move all the devs to WoD and shut the server down.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.09.05 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/09/2011 21:32:10
Originally by: Varesk
Originally by: Ranka Mei
far as CCP is concerned, but that they continue monitoring community feedback, and will consider other things, before they make anything final.
sorry, started laughing really hard at this.
pr0 tip: CCP dosent care about its community and what the community wants for its flagship game. they only care about your money and new subs.
That would be in line with my signature. :D
A more nuanced view is that I think many of the game devs really *do* care about the game, and community feedback, but that they often find themselves at odds with the brass, who's really only ever in it for the coin. In that sense CCP really isn't all that different from any other big company. I'm still undecided, though, on whether I think that's funny or sad.
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Cynthiana
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Posted - 2011.09.06 05:38:00 -
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Personally, I see nothing wrong with ice. Can't compress it in HS. you want better yield, go to LS or 0.0.
If ice were moved to 0.0, most HS POS would shut down as well as WH POS.
Want to get rid of bots, stop making it easy for them to bot. Setup ever changing mini-games. A slight annoyance to real miners, but I'm sure they'll get over it knowing their wallets will do better without the bots around.
Other ore types are just fine where they are.
Level 4's are just fine where they are.
Level 5's make sense too.
IMHO, I think the veterans are bored and CCP can't keep up with keeping their interest.
Also, keep in mind there are some pilots who actually want nothing to do with LS or 0.0. We pay to play a game. If the game has several area's to offer, then all people are happy to play in their area of choice. Force them into an area they don't want, then many will quit, to include myself. Personally, my health doesn't allow me to do 0.0 often or LS due to the stress involved. I rather enjoy mining, missioning, building, but that's just me.
Change HS too much and CCP will lose another +4 year veteran of the game.
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Merasa Tro
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Posted - 2011.09.06 08:31:00 -
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If its worth anything.. Here's my thought.
All (or as near as possible) the content should be available to hi-sec players. Note that I say available, not that it should be easy or perfect.
If you've got nearly everything available to hi-sec players, but nerfed in such a way to make it either difficult or really inefficient, then newbie players get to try everything. The market then forces you to find efficient ways to do things.
So, if I'm a new player, I can try everything.
"Oh, I want to try tech 2 manufacturing"
"Oh, I can just about find/afford enough ice to run a small POS with a single invention lab"
"Oh, I can just about find enough PI products to fuel a small POS"
"Oh, I can just about find enough moon mins to build one or 2 ships in a month"
"Oh, everyone on the market makes them a heckofalot cheaper than me!"
Ok, so I found I enjoy tech2 manufacturing, but I'm not competative with the market, I do some research and find out that..
In Lo-sec my POS is cheaper to run, in null its even more cheaper!
In Lo-sec my PI produces more stuff, in null LOTS more.
In Lo-sec I can mine more moon minerals, in null even more!
In Lo-sec I can build lots of ship per month, and cheaper! In null EVEN MOAR!!
So then I start to calculate my risk-reward.
Maybe I dont want to anchor a POS out in null, but I'll go back and forth to ninja mine.
Or maybe I'll keep AFK mining in empire, but run out to a POS thats in Lo-Sec as its cheaper to build there.
If the content is there, new players will come try things out.
If they like an item of content, they'll stay to get better.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.09.06 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Let's look at the actual quote, shall we? Quote:
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting (at least some of the) ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game.
So, yes, the notion that all ice will be removed from highsec is something highsec dwellers have dreamed up because they can't read, not something CCP has ever mentioned, much like the supposed removal of L4s that also was never mentioned.
So what will happen when "(at least some of)" the ice is moved to null sec only? Is all of the ice the same as (at least some of) the ice? Yes, it is. Is the paranoia misplaced? That's a different question entirely, and can't be answered by analysis of the few words in parentheses.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.06 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Is all of the ice the same as (at least some of) the ice?
No.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Posted - 2011.09.06 10:14:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 06/09/2011 10:15:56
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Is all of the ice the same as (at least some of) the ice?
No.
Now is all a subset of the conditions satisfying at least some?
And while we're talking about sets, what about expressing that devblog as "at least some of the set of (ice, zydrine, etc)". Thus all the ice is still satisfying the curiously worded weasel statement.
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jinei Naskingar
Minmatar
Legio Noviomagum
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Posted - 2011.09.06 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
No clue, I don't know all Shadows posts by heart. But the tl;dr here is that I'm not touching it for now.
what about now 
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.06 10:38:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 06/09/2011 10:39:14
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
No clue, I don't know all Shadows posts by heart. But the tl;dr here is that I'm not touching it for now.
Just to help you out
Originally by: CCP Shadow
No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility.
Eve-Search Link
Though moving ice to null would be horrible idea. People don't go out to null to mine Blue Ice or White Glaze, in the same way they don't mine Veldspar(except for Chribba). Industrialist only go after the good stuff ABCs and Dark Glitter. Removing ice from highsec will just cause a EXTREME shortage of ice through out the game. Also considering how risky it is to mine ice in comparison to grav sites its not worth the trouble. If you where going to change ice belts I would make ice deplete in high sec and allow grav style ice belts in null.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.06 10:42:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Now is all a subset of the conditions satisfying at least some?
Doesn't make the two the same ù ôat least someö does not satisfy the condition of ôallö, which is what we're talking about here.
More importantly, if it was ôallö they wanted to say, then there's a perfect word for describing that: ôallö. They instead chose ôat least someö, which signals that it's not all, but ratherà some.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.06 10:43:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 06/09/2011 10:39:14
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
No clue, I don't know all Shadows posts by heart. But the tl;dr here is that I'm not touching it for now.
Just to help you out
Originally by: CCP Shadow
No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility.
Eve-Search Link
Though moving ice to null would be horrible idea. People don't go out to null to mine Blue Ice or White Glaze, in the same way they don't mine Veldspar(except for Chribba). Industrialist only go after the good stuff ABCs and Dark Glitter. Removing ice from highsec will just cause a EXTREME shortage of ice through out the game. Also considering how risky it is to mine ice in comparison to grav sites its not worth the trouble. If you where going to change ice belts I would make ice deplete in high sec and allow grav style ice belts in null.
Just to help you out.
I didn't say never, I said not in the next release. If we at some point decide that removing ice from high sec meets our goals, we'll do it.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.06 10:47:00 -
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Don't try and use my line.
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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
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Posted - 2011.09.06 10:59:00 -
[56]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to help you out.
I didn't say never, I said not in the next release. If we at some point decide that removing ice from high sec meets our goals, we'll do it.
That leads me to ask a direct question here - are these goals a "concrete creation", a foundational guide that you have had from the start? If so, are you happy with the way it has turned out so far?
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RUSROG
Amarr
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.09.06 11:15:00 -
[57]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
Well same thing was said about MT...
So folks, I guess that's a yes.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:02:00 -
[58]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
I hope you put some serious consideration into the availability of fuel for wormhole pos's. You "redistribute" ice and you run the risk of seriously crimping supply and altering the market to a most heinous degree... this has a direct effect on the entire wormhole community. As you should be aware, we get our fuel pretty much from high sec while hauling things to market. Stuff goes out, fuel comes back on the return trip. Screw with the prices too badly and a lot of smaller wh corps will strugle to survive, and those making T3 products will need to jack up the cost of T3 items considerably to make up the lost income. This is far greater than a simple "Gee, we'll get more people into null this way" thing. First of all... no, you won't. People won't go to null to mine ice. They're already not in null simply because they don't want to be. It doesn't appeal to many... screwing the community over won't change that.
Look, we all know Eve is meant to be a sandbox style game. Keep in mind, you keep taking the sand away and you'll find no one wants to play in your empty box anymore.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
More importantly, if it was ôallö they wanted to say, then there's a perfect word for describing that: ôallö. They instead chose ôat least someö, which signals that it's not all, but ratherà some.
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to help you out.
I didn't say never, I said not in the next release. If we at some point decide that removing ice from high sec meets our goals, we'll do it.
The original statement was "removing ice from hisec". That was later qualified to "(at least some) [of a list of resources]." Now it's merely "not in the next release".
The current CSM is quite happy to go along with it, they're convinced that moving all the profitable industrial activity to null sec is going to make null sec "self sufficient". Then in the next breath they invite industrialists to null sec and blow them up.
CCP (through various mouths) has indicated that the idea has been festering for quite some time. CSM is doing nothing to disabuse them of this notion. It will happen, one way or another. Perhaps ice asteroids will still exist in hisec, but they will refine to very little of any value (e.g.: only the racial isotopes). At that point you can certainly say, "see! I told you so!" But the effect will be the same: the value of ice harvesting in hisec will plummet, prices of ice products will rise, and there will still be no self sufficient industry in null sec.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:18:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
I hope you put some serious consideration into the availability of fuel for wormhole pos's. You "redistribute" ice and you run the risk of seriously crimping supply and altering the market to a most heinous degree... this has a direct effect on the entire wormhole community.
Remember that it was never the intention for people to actually live in w-space. You can expect that "removal of hisec ice will lead to decimation of permanent w-space habitation" is seen as a good thing.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:50:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Remember that it was never the intention for people to actually live in w-space. You can expect that "removal of hisec ice will lead to decimation of permanent w-space habitation" is seen as a good thing.
What may have been intended, however, is irrelevant to what now is. There's a thriving wormhole community out there living a life that null-sec could only dream of being again. It's the last frontier of Eve, and like all frontiers, they do eventually get colonized. Wormholes are the last bastion of small to mid-level combats, independent living without a mega-alliance trying to control every aspect of your life, no supercaps, make your own rules and your own way, keep what you can hold and take what others can't. Perhaps completely by accident, they've created something great in Eve with wormholes and it's probably time they stepped back and took a real look at what's happening now, actually in the game, instead of what someone may have once thought it would be.
Besides, I don't buy that... just the logistics alone make it nearly impossible to run C5 and C6 wormholes without setting up a permanent residence. If they weren't designed to be lived in, you'd have little to no T3 production. The logistics require a permanent presense.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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AnzacPaul
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:05:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Remember that it was never the intention for people to actually live in w-space. You can expect that "removal of hisec ice will lead to decimation of permanent w-space habitation" is seen as a good thing.
To me this clearly interprets as
"People that don't have access to the nex store, how can we get them back to station".
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Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.09.06 15:24:00 -
[63]
So, removing ice from high sec is overall better for the game?
Sry if I have hard time understanding but seems some people say that ice is mined by bots (really?-when everyone in this game knows all the big alliances are full of them? -lols)
Then people thinking it's better to improve null sec...how? -raising prices for null sec ice miners? -you'd be better to find ways so those alliances don't rent space for billions and those miners will have better income.
Repercussions if it's done will be heavy, very heavy imho. And those will most likely profit for the same old RMT's than the number of subs. Just an opinion.
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:24:00 -
[64]
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: LuxLight on 06/09/2011 23:51:13
Originally by: Sir Ibex
Cause seriously.. This would be the last drop...
'Cause seriously, that would be AWESOME.
Nuke ice. Put it in low sec only. Make it pop.
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Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.07 03:30:00 -
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A direct answer from CCP on an important issue? I'm impressed.
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Bane Nucleus
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:29:00 -
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It's a simple solution really. Make ice only spawn in grav sites, that have to be scanned down. Also, make it to where these grav sites spawn in high, low, null, and wh space.
That way everyone gets a shot at it, no matter where you live.
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Cynthiana
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Posted - 2011.09.09 15:54:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.
As you should be aware, we get our fuel pretty much from high sec while hauling things to market. Stuff goes out, fuel comes back on the return trip. Screw with the prices too badly and a lot of smaller wh corps will strugle to survive, and those making T3 products will need to jack up the cost of T3 items considerably to make up the lost income.
T3 production requires a colony. The colony requires ice, mainly from HS. I agree with Ingvar whole heartedly. Remove HS ice and you'll be removing WH colonies, therefore your T3 production will grind to a snails pace creating extreme high prices for a T3 ship. Only the richest of people will be able to own them.
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This is far greater than a simple "Gee, we'll get more people into null this way" thing. First of all... no, you won't. People won't go to null to mine ice. They're already not in null simply because they don't want to be. It doesn't appeal to many... screwing the community over won't change that.
I certainly won't go to null sec, and neither will just about everyone in my corp! We have our corp/alliance because we DON'T want null sec anymore. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. It's not what we want from the game. Screw with my game too much and I'll take my $$$ for annual fees to another game.
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Look, we all know Eve is meant to be a sandbox style game. Keep in mind, you keep taking the sand away and you'll find no one wants to play in your empty box anymore.
If I don't have sand anymore I'll go mine my own...in another game :) My main toon is +4 old and still training. I could easily buy plex now every month, but I pay annual because I enjoy Eve that much (and keeping the isk). I'll say it again, Screw with my game too much and I'll take my $$$ somewhere else. If I had to guess, I am fairly certain my entire corp and alliance would to.
I certainly will NOT be going back to null sec!
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