Update!

Amarr:

• Cap recharge bonus moved into the hull itself - thus capacitor recharge rate reduced from 370 to 275s
• Role bonus changed to 25% MWD speed to drones

Caldari:

• Removed one high slot and launcher slot, gained one mid slot - thus layout now is 7 / 4 / 2, 7 launchers

Gallente:

• Drone bandwidth increased to 35m3
• Drone bay increased to 60m3
• Turret number increased from 4 to 5
• 5% hybrid turret damage bonus per level changed for 10% hybrid turret tracking bonus per level
• Role bonus changed from 50% hybrid turret optimal range to 25% MWD speed to drones

Minmatar hull unchanged.

I don't get how you fail to see the amarr one is a mini-curse and the gallente one is a rail boat that can kite like a boss with amazing tracking on a long range weapon. That's a big enough difference for me.

I don't think it should have a recon bonus on it really its clearly out of place give it a drone tracking bonus instead or extra drone HP or even a resist bonus on the ship itself...

Wow, this is christmas ! And people still complain about the gallente destroyer ? Come on, if only with drone bonuses, it will only be a fat tristan. It NEED turrets to be better than the tristan. And now with more bandwidth, it's even better against larger targets !

I don't know how one can think of the gallente destroyer to be worse than before : same number of equivalent turrets, hob will be as fast as normal warriors (which is huge, if there is no problem of AI), and a tracking bonus for the turrets instead of range mean damage application with rails.

my only comment is visual: does the Minmatar destroyer HAVE to look like a forklift had an inappropriate affair with a solar-panel factory?

Okay, but for what? Dampners are useless against most frigates because the engagement range is so small as is, and they lock so fast. Unlike the Amarr version, the Gallente don't have a real useful ewar against frigates.

That would be great and all, but that isn't what they are proposing <.<

I reckon the idea of having 35m3 drone bay for Gally is GREAT! This will allow younger players to do lvl2 missions faster

The complaint of the Gallente drones isn't the bay, it's the 35b/w.

Making the gallente ship have higher damage output than amarr ships seem to be the point behing the higher bandwith. This should still be true but gallente ships should get higher hull bonuses to drone damage and HP, but keep a smaller drone bay.

The higher bandwidth on gallente ships is an outdated bonus, as it goes back to when only bandwidth regulated the number of drones could be deployed I can longer find where I read this information, so it is void factually.

a flight of light drones is 5+5+5+5+5 (I only do basic math) which is.... 25! So it looks like you can fit a flight of 3/2 AND a flight of lights. Weird. It's almost like Fozzie planned it that way. But that can't possibly be true!

ummm... Then use the flight of light drones for smaller ships? And if you decide to wolf pack a cruiser or BC then use the mediums? Yeah yeah I know, dessies get insta-popped whenever a cruiser locks them or if a BC even warps on grid. Plus no dessie has ever gotten on a cruiser or BC killmail in the entire history of EvE (at least if you go by the frantic whining on these forums). Just think of the mediums as an extra option you have should the opportunity arise.

PS : mediocre damage and gallente hull in the same sentence made me lough. That cannot be serious. Look at Myrmidon or Vexor for "uncomon" drone bandwidth used with effectiveness. And if you say the Vexor or the myrm are bad, just reprocess yourself.

Then don't use medium drones? Why is that so difficult? You don't "have" to use the full bandwidth. A flight of bonused lights, and 5 tracking bonused guns is still gonna rip up frigs. If you want something else then go whine to Fozzie. Crying at me ain't gonna do shiite. I'm pretty awesome, but I can't change the ship stats. Sorry.

Let's suppose you got your dream and it was a 15% per level drone damage bonus as well as a 10% per level drone tracking bonus. It would suck. Your destroyer would be novel but it would die in a fire vs. any hardened AF or other ranged destroyer. With two DDA II your DPS would not reach 300. 300 is normal for many assault frigates. 400 is possible on the Enyo. 400 - 600 DPS is where many Destroyers come in. You're going to throw 250ish DPS at them and win?

At the frigate and destroyer level combat is over in seconds. I take ships with less then 4k EHP and win on a regular basis because I can project over 400 DPS to 14km and 300 DPS to 20km. I've seen people supertank Thrashers. The struggle to hit anything past 6km. In the frigate world gank just about always wins out over tank. The only exception is when implants and boosts can come into play.

Drone boats at the small level are incredibly difficult to use. If you send in the drones too early - they can be killed at leisure and your DPS is greatly diminished. If you release them too late you could be deep in armour before they even come into play. Your suggestion pretty much limits the new Gallente Dessy to the first scenario. Send in the drones! That's the only DPS you get. I'd much rather have options. Send in the drones at 200 DPS and be right on their ass with your own 200 DPS in blasters. This dessy can have a web and that is huge. Engage at distance with rails. When the enemy commits send in the drones. Have a flight of ECM drones shut down the enemy while your hybrids inflict the pain.

The last point I'll make is the Amarr destroyer is the drones only supertanked option. It has four lows. The coercer has made that into an incredible tank for years. It also can suck a frigate dry in seconds. That again is huge and an option the Gallente destroyer can't copy unless it wants a poor man version of it.

I'd wager you're probably in the minority. I've personally heard from many players who've expressed that they'd rather have dedicated-damage-type-focused hulls, like most of the ships in the game. Caldari have missile ships, and they have gun ships. Amarr have laser ships, missile ships and ewar, etc.

Having a focused hull damage design means that the ship can use its intended damage source with greater effect. Take the Myrm, for example. It's damage comes from drones, and the other bonus is tank. What's best is there isn't a secondary weapon system that you're forced into; it lets the pilot decide if he wants to use hybrids, projectiles or lasers, and that choice not only makes the ship fun to fly as a pilot but as an enemy, because you sorta never know what you're gonna get (aside from a swarm of drones, that is).

I'm not really seeing how a 7 or 8 launcher destroyer platform is not obsoleting 95% of all frig/dessy warfare in game... just saying

Dude. I've read all those and commented on every one of them and gotten CCP responses to some of my thoughts.

Anti-Frigate is anti-frigate. It doesn't matter how much they're "buffed", by definition - they're supposed to KILL FRIGATES. So, those threads are irrelevant to my point, because if they were relevant then the Destroyer wouldn't be good at its job as an anti-frigate platform.

More anti-frigate is really absurd at this point, even with rebalancing. I think they can have another role, that's my point.

Sorry if I read your post wrong.. but; Not sure if you're referring to Caldari dessy, but she only has 7 hi slots now with no utility slot. If you want to run something up there, like i danno, a cloak, then there's only room for x6 launchers.


My annoyance with 7 launchers is that minmitar, primarility NOT a missile race, has the same number of launcher slots and almost similar ship bonuses. I reckon they should be 5missile 2 proj or something like that. Its upsetting to see that a race touted for missiles has a ship almost identical as a race hyped around projectiles turrets.