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Newsflash
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:30:00 -
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currently freighters are way too easy to suicidegank and there is nothing pilot can do to prevent it. it does not require many ships to succesfully suicide freighter and because suicideganking is one aspect of this game give freighters much much more HP so atleast gankers need to bring in team of 40-50 ships to achieve their goal. now its just laughably easy done with even under 10 BC for example. |
Mai Khumm
Omen Industries -Entropy-
260
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:38:00 -
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Advoid "Highways" When moving blueprints, use a Transport ship, I currently use a insta warp 15.5AU/s Crane w/20k ehp... Don't wrap your ****. Bring friends, be it either combat or logi. Make insta warp bookmarks for every jump in your route...
There's dozens upon dozens of ways to avoid getting ganked, people is just stupid.....really really stupid.
"Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT Interstellar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:47:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:currently freighters are way too easy to suicidegank and there is nothing pilot can do to prevent it. it does not require many ships to succesfully suicide freighter and because suicideganking is one aspect of this game give freighters much much more HP so atleast gankers need to bring in team of 40-50 ships to achieve their goal. now its just laughably easy done with even under 10 BC for example.
So even if they are give more HP, that would still not solve the issue. People will just bring more firepower and the whining start again. Although our corp does majority of our high-value transpo via freighters, we do not support increasing the HP or making the freighters hard to gang through adjusted gam mechanisms. What we should understand is that whole EVE economy stands on destruction.
If you want to keep your freighter afloat through dangerous space, keep your eyes open, mind sharp and forget the auto-pilot. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:49:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:currently freighters are way too easy to suicidegank and there is nothing pilot can do to prevent it. it does not require many ships to succesfully suicide freighter and because suicideganking is one aspect of this game give freighters much much more HP so atleast gankers need to bring in team of 40-50 ships to achieve their goal. now its just laughably easy done with even under 10 BC for example.
I'm going to have to disagree here as there is quite a few things you can do to prevent it. The first & probably the most obvious is to make yourself unprofitable to gank. 95% of freighter suicide ganks happen because the pilot is making it a profitable venture.
Another thing you can do is use multiple routes & randomise them if you feel that you're going to become a victim. It's all too easy to decide that going an extra 40 jumps to get around a couple of systems isn't worth it, but it can mean the difference between keeping your stuff & losing it all.
You can also use JF's to go from huib to hub, although not directly & it will take a few more trips. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4905
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:50:00 -
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Hey OP do you realize why they spend 1b in ships to suicide gank your freighter? please leave |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
359
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:52:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:currently freighters are way too easy to suicidegank and there is nothing pilot can do to prevent it. it does not require many ships to succesfully suicide freighter and because suicideganking is one aspect of this game give freighters much much more HP so atleast gankers need to bring in team of 40-50 ships to achieve their goal. now its just laughably easy done with even under 10 BC for example. It's not time to make a change, Just relax, take it easy. You're still young, that's your fault, There's so much you have to know. Find a girl, settle down, If you want you can marry. Look at me, I am old, but I'm happy. |
Newsflash
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:53:00 -
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im not even a freighter pilot myself but have been following ganking situation long enough to see what are flaws in system in my opinion. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
173
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:55:00 -
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0/10
Lack of punctuation gave you away.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:56:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:im not even a freighter pilot myself but have been following ganking situation long enough to see what are flaws in system in my opinion.
Please, explain the flaws of a freighter pilot carrying 116bil worth of goods in his freighter.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:57:00 -
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The system is perfectly fine. It is not supposed to be completely safe in highsec. Eve is not Wow. Freighters already have boatloads of Ehp, if you're getting ganked, its because you're being stupid and making yourself gankable.
Welcome to EVE.
Adapt or Die.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Newsflash
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:00:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Newsflash wrote:im not even a freighter pilot myself but have been following ganking situation long enough to see what are flaws in system in my opinion. Please, explain the flaws of a freighter pilot carrying 116bil worth of goods in his freighter.
that is plain stupidity and im not against suicideganking BUT i would like to see it require more effort that about 10 bc or so. thus asking a HP buff so that people need to bring some real numbers like maybe 40-50 ships to kill that huge juicy pinata.
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Newsflash
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:02:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:The system is perfectly fine. It is not supposed to be completely safe in highsec. Eve is not Wow. Freighters already have boatloads of Ehp, if you're getting ganked, its because you're being stupid and making yourself gankable.
Welcome to EVE.
Adapt or Die.
i have been playing over 7 years and never before just quite recently freighter ganking has become such a huge boom so to speak.
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Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
102
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:05:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:im not even a freighter pilot myself but have been following ganking situation long enough to see what are flaws in system in my opinion.
The is no problem with ganking mechanics.
There does seem to be a widespread problem with stupid freighter pilots. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:06:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:Saede Riordan wrote:The system is perfectly fine. It is not supposed to be completely safe in highsec. Eve is not Wow. Freighters already have boatloads of Ehp, if you're getting ganked, its because you're being stupid and making yourself gankable.
Welcome to EVE.
Adapt or Die. i have been playing over 7 years and never before just quite recently freighter ganking has become such a huge boom so to speak.
It is also somewhat more involving than ganking Hulks for profit was. There's more organisation required, you need more people to do it. Ganking freighters isn't a solo venture but it all comes down to 1 simple thing; People make themselves profitable to gank & take no preventitive measures to avoid it. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
102
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:07:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Newsflash wrote:im not even a freighter pilot myself but have been following ganking situation long enough to see what are flaws in system in my opinion. Please, explain the flaws of a freighter pilot carrying 116bil worth of goods in his freighter. that is plain stupidity and im not against suicideganking BUT i would like to see it require more effort that about 10 bc or so. thus asking a HP buff so that people need to bring some real numbers like maybe 40-50 ships to kill that huge juicy pinata.
Also enjoying the stealth 'no-one but goons should be aloud to suicide gank' thread :) |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:08:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Newsflash wrote:im not even a freighter pilot myself but have been following ganking situation long enough to see what are flaws in system in my opinion. Please, explain the flaws of a freighter pilot carrying 116bil worth of goods in his freighter. that is plain stupidity and im not against suicideganking BUT i would like to see it require more effort that about 10 bc or so. thus asking a HP buff so that people need to bring some real numbers like maybe 40-50 ships to kill that huge juicy pinata.
Sure, I'm all for giving freighters a massive EHP buff. In the interests of balance, a 400 to 500% EHP buff would require an equal nerf to carghold. In fact, how about we just remove freighters altogether? Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:09:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Also enjoying the stealth 'no-one but goons should be aloud to suicide gank' thread :)
More people should try it out to be honest. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
102
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:12:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Also enjoying the stealth 'no-one but goons should be aloud to suicide gank' thread :) More people should try it out to be honest.
Indeed they should, but if the freighter gets its ehp buffed no-one else has the organisation to get 50 dudes in fleet for ganking.
<3 miniluv. |
Newsflash
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:15:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Newsflash wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Newsflash wrote:im not even a freighter pilot myself but have been following ganking situation long enough to see what are flaws in system in my opinion. Please, explain the flaws of a freighter pilot carrying 116bil worth of goods in his freighter. that is plain stupidity and im not against suicideganking BUT i would like to see it require more effort that about 10 bc or so. thus asking a HP buff so that people need to bring some real numbers like maybe 40-50 ships to kill that huge juicy pinata. Sure, I'm all for giving freighters a massive EHP buff. In the interests of balance, a 400 to 500% EHP buff would require an equal nerf to carghold. In fact, how about we just remove freighters altogether?
why? why it would require nerfing cargobay? this ship is massive unarmed freighter if caught out of hisec it is sure to die even to one ship eventually. in hisec it could with extra HP fend off smaller groups of suicidegankers and only really devoted bigger gangs would bring it down. it would also drop willingnes to gank freighters that do not have hugely expensive cargo.. |
Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
102
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:18:00 -
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Newsflash wrote: why? why it would require nerfing cargobay? this ship is massive unarmed freighter if caught out of hisec it is sure to die even to one ship eventually. in hisec it could with extra HP fend off smaller groups of suicidegankers and only really devoted bigger gangs would bring it down. it would also drop willingnes to gank freighters that do not have hugely expensive cargo..
Where do you put your extra armour if not where the cargobay used to be?
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Newsflash
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:24:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Newsflash wrote: why? why it would require nerfing cargobay? this ship is massive unarmed freighter if caught out of hisec it is sure to die even to one ship eventually. in hisec it could with extra HP fend off smaller groups of suicidegankers and only really devoted bigger gangs would bring it down. it would also drop willingnes to gank freighters that do not have hugely expensive cargo..
Where do you put your extra armour if not where the cargobay used to be?
******* bolt it around the ship duh |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:25:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:why? why it would require nerfing cargobay? this ship is massive unarmed freighter if caught out of hisec it is sure to die even to one ship eventually. in hisec it could with extra HP fend off smaller groups of suicidegankers and only really devoted bigger gangs would bring it down. it would also drop willingnes to gank freighters that do not have hugely expensive cargo..
As the above poster said, where are you going to put all of that extra structure with out vastly reducing the cargo space? The 2 go hand in hand, put on a cargo expander, you lose structure. Put on a reinforced hull mod, you lose cargo.
There is already a great way to reduce peoples willingness to gank a freighter. It already takes a devoted group to gank a freighter because unfortunately, not many groups in this game are able to organise more than 15 people to spend most of the day doing nothing. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
102
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:25:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Newsflash wrote: why? why it would require nerfing cargobay? this ship is massive unarmed freighter if caught out of hisec it is sure to die even to one ship eventually. in hisec it could with extra HP fend off smaller groups of suicidegankers and only really devoted bigger gangs would bring it down. it would also drop willingnes to gank freighters that do not have hugely expensive cargo..
Where do you put your extra armour if not where the cargobay used to be? ******* bolt it around the ship duh
For the fenrir sure but what about the others? |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
285
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:01:00 -
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Suicide ganking is part of the game mechanics. As many have said, take precautions to protect yourself.
It is not advisable to move more than the value of the freighter in your cargo-hold. For moving very expensive items such as 100 plex or 70 capital blueprints at a time, I suggest a transport ship for expensive items such as these. (see http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Transport_Ships) for the specifics.
You can take extra precautions against such attacks by scouting ahead with an alt or a member of your corporation to spot gate camps. Avoid auto-piloting with a full freighter. Avoid the regularly traveled trade routes. 10 extra jumps in the quiet space lanes is worth the cost of your freighter and it's cargo .. right?
This is the sandbox, adapt to the challenges. Outsmart those who would lay siege on your love-tub and soak up the tears on the forums when they cry that freighters need to get nerfed to only use certain type of stargate.
/thread ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Irya Boone
Escadron leader
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:12:00 -
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i think Op said , that now with the new tier 3 BC is too more simple to kill an freighter than 1 year ago in the same conditions .. before the Tier3 killiing a pinata was hard and required people .. now just need a liitle bunch of Skilled Tier 3 pilots and BOOM
so maybe a rebalancinbg due to the Tier3 BC ?? like CCp did for the Mining barges .......
in this case Why did CCP improves tank of mining barges ? ( the Moto of adapt or die does't apply to miners ? ...... Whormoles are working as Intended .. so don't Touch my Hole CCP !!! CCP Why don't you name the 0.0 and null system With real name of solar system it would be so awesome !!! and put some NASA logo on the game :)
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Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
102
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:17:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:i think Op said , that now with the new tier 3 BC is too more simple to kill an freighter than 1 year ago in the same conditions .. before the Tier3 killiing a pinata was hard and required people .. now just need a liitle bunch of Skilled Tier 3 pilots and BOOM
so maybe a rebalancinbg due to the Tier3 BC ?? like CCp did for the Mining barges .......
in this case Why did CCP improves tank of mining barges ? ( the Moto of adapt or die does't apply to miners ? ......
It was actually easier because tier 1 battleships were cheaper that t3 bcs are now. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:19:00 -
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Here come all the trolls defending their low life style. Also the experts in game play with their nearly flawless play style. People don't want to admit something is inherently flawed. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Kraken.
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:21:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:For moving very expensive items such as 100 plex or 70 capital blueprints at a time, I know it's a joke, but don't move PLEX :( |
Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:27:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Here come all the trolls defending their low life style. Also the experts in game play with their nearly flawless play style. People don't want to admit something is inherently flawed.
D'awwww someone lose a ship? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:28:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Look at me, I am old, but I'm happy. I'm old, fat and happy...
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