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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.02 22:11:00 -
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Hmm. Old enough here to remember the poo flying from another 'ganker' nerf. Back then it was warp to zero. People flinging poo like caged monkeys when that occured. Predictions of piracys end were foretold. All the while the poo flingers could catch people jumping into system if they tried half heartedly instead of relying on their target being 15km from a gate when the target was traveling.
Piracy has not stopped over the years as a result of warp to zero.
Ganking barges will still occur regardless of all the poo currently on the walls as well.
If someone aggravates me enough that I am thinking about ganking them in hi-sec, it is not going to matter that their barge was buffed. I'm going to adapt and catch that mouthy bugger on the undock when his hardners are turned off. Is it challenging? Yup. Thats why the revenge is that much sweeter when you succeed.
There is nothing wrong with the mining ship buff as is. I'm happy to see miners have more choices and can both tank and have nice yields just like my Vargur can tank and have nice dps at the same time.
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:07:00 -
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My fellow highsec New Edeners,
From the conversation currently ongoing in this particular thread, some of the POD Pilot community would have you believe that our profession, the profession of mining, is now overpowered. That when we get into our barges, we are no longer vulnerable to their wicked ways. My friends, they are laying a trap for us.
This trap is one of the mind. These devious pilots are trying wholeheartedly to get you to drop your guard by saying our ships are too strong and that they can no longer violence our boats because the profit motive has dried up. I assure, they can gank our ships. A quick Battleclinic scan will reveal the truth about what is really happening out there. Unfortunately, I am unable to provide direct links to each gank per forum rules. These evil pilots will of course try to take advantage of this particular forum nerf to convince you "ganking is dieing".
Ganking is not dieing my friends. Tear gathering by the bucketful has been, and always will be, the goal of our nemesis. They will stop at nothing to harvest them and the forum propaganda campaign war they are waging will not stop as a result.
Be vigilant. Fly safe. Enjoy our high yields brothers. We will prevail.
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:35:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Except, Olleybear, your prevalence means ever lower payouts for everyone in your profession. So those higher yields are literally going to ruin your market.Not so sure I'd be so smug. 
Sir,
You have brought up this particular point once before and I have answered it. However I do appreciate the opportunity to point you in the direction of my previous post on the subject.
Cheers,
olleyebar
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.05 01:05:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
Olley your answer doesn't account for the increase in miners due to it being the path of no resistance. You're implying miners attain some equilibrium with their environment.
I don't believe that's a "given" here.
No equilibrium with our environment is needed. Simple market pressures will move people around into doing other things that are more profitable as mineral prices come down. Just as those same pressures will move people back to mining as mineral prices go back up.
Their are people who try very hard to use the price of minerals as a reason to justify violence against those of the mining profession. This is simply an excuse as it has always been.
One thing I have noticed is that no one, that I have noticed anyway, says a thing about the low prices of high end minerals which mostly come from Null. Megacyte, Zydrine, and Morphite are laughably low when their prices are viewed over the span of years. Why is nothing said about this 'travesty'? Perhaps it is because of who is profiting. Personally, I find that interesting.
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.05 01:37:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:A nerf to high-sec mining is a nerf to null-sec mining. They are using the same overpowered equipment.  My proposals are hollistic and consistent with keeping prices up for everyone. Bot operators and easy-mode ISK earning no-risk players alike do not share my sentiment, however.
We are in disagreement that mining barges are overpowered.
Consider that all minerals do not just come from mining. Minerals also come in the form of rat drops as we both know. Simply ratting in a belt and collecting rat droppings in Null with an alt gives a person a great deal of minerals when refined. While I was in null, there were so many wrecks in the belts that simply taking the time to collect those wrecks netted me an easy 50mil. Collecting those same wrecks would be worth more with todays high prices of lowends. This doesn't even take into account hauler spawns.
Talking about bots though, we are in 100% agreement that they are evil and need to go. This includes the belt ratting bots and any other bot. Bots are a different subject though.
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.05 03:26:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
It is curious that when confronted with the truth of null benefitting equally from the mining buff and the lower mineral prices for "rare minerals" that have resulted that you choose to no longer ply curiosity to this effect, and instead revert to, "No, they are not!"
We agree that mining benefits between both Null and High sec are nearly identical and most things mining can be done in both places. The low prices of high end minerals of course has happened over years and were already depressed well before the recent changes to barges.
Going to put out a scenario here that I would like to see:
One day CCP decides that all minerals should be mined. No minerals from reprocessing rat droppings and no minerals from hauler spawns. Every single mineral in game has to be mined by a miner. How cool would that be. Alliances and corporations will then have the ability to disrupt industrial operations as a valid war tactic. This sounds like a win to me.
Question: Are todays mining barges up to the task of filling the demand that reprocessed rat droppings and hauler spawns previously filled? If not, under this scenario at least, it appears mining barges are not powerful enough.
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.05 03:52:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Olleybear wrote:One thing I have noticed is that no one, that I have noticed anyway, says a thing about the low prices of high end minerals which mostly come from Null. Megacyte, Zydrine, and Morphite are laughably low when their prices are viewed over the span of years. Why is nothing said about this 'travesty'? Perhaps it is because of who is profiting. Personally, I find that interesting. The post I quoted prior to this, though, hand waves that all away as being from something else. I'm a little suspicious of your intentions at this point, and question whether or not you are interested in the health of the game or your own ease of profit. In a sci-fi spaceship game I think it's cool that stuff can be melted down. I do think that junk PVE drops are stupid, though, and should at least provide something in the way of minerals.
No hand waving or bar moving on my end. The question of who is profiting from being nearly the sole provider of high end minerals, no matter their price, is significant. So is the question of why no one is complaining about the high ends. Simply put, Null sec is profiting.
No one is complaining about barges in Null. No one is complaining about hauler spawns in Null nor the amount of minerals that can be gathered by reprocessing rat droppings out in Null or how both are adding minerals to New Eden. Not even high sec miners. We do not have a problem with Null, but Null and Low have a problem with us.
The complaints are one way and the complaints are that it is now both harder to gank a miner and not profitable to gank a miner. Neither are vaild arguments for lowering yield or hitpoints on barges.
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.10.05 06:19:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote: said a bunch of stuff that brought tears of joy to my eyes and the following:
It's the bit you NON-MINERS haven't got yet. For many it has nothing to do with stupidity but an acceptance of the inevitable as it was "back then". Tanking was irrelevant for MOST situations, period.
They get it. They understand perfectly well. What we are seeing on the forums is a propaganda campaign directed at high security space in general and miners in particular this time around.
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