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captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.10.02 06:31:00 -
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Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.
Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people. |

Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
414
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Posted - 2012.10.02 06:38:00 -
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A new and exciting topic. My mind is refreshed.  I found a dead cat on the side of the road so I -átook it home and put some honey on it and cooked it and then I ate it. Is that bad? do do do dooo... GÖ¬ GÖ½
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1105
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Posted - 2012.10.02 06:41:00 -
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Quote:Do this, but I have no clue as to how it could be done that wouldn't negate said effort in ship balancing. Soo snap to it, chop chop.
Thank you, you are a guiding light in these dark times. |

Samoth Egnoled
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
68
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:21:00 -
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I'm not the how guy, im the ideas man... |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
241
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:22:00 -
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They did buff ganking. You used to be able to kill miners solo. Now you need a fleet. |

Josef Djugashvilis
620
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:50:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.
Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.
Anyone who uses the word 'mongoloid' to describe other players, is too young/immature to play Eve.
Also, posting in yet another 'pixel hardman' thread. Yawn. I took the wrong turn years ago. |

lanyaie
561
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:56:00 -
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I have a good idea for you shutting the **** up and going to nullsec or lowsec. Hay |

TharOkha
0asis Group
79
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Posted - 2012.10.02 08:54:00 -
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captain foivos wrote: ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals .
So are you saying that ganking 300m ship with cheap 2m T1 ship in few days old alt was balanced?
Quote:Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss
They are already rewarded... by not getting shot
Quote:pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos.
low/null/wh is that way 
Quote:EVE belongs to the violent
EVE belongs to every player
They are already. They are ganked every day. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |

Silk daShocka
Lawn Dart Industries
16
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Posted - 2012.10.02 09:34:00 -
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Risk/reward.
Ganking may have a risk with next expansion, it always had rewards. No buff needed. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4752
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Posted - 2012.10.02 09:42:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.
Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.
I suggest a bigg increase in destroyer DPS, and a new range of battlecruisers than can fit 8 bonused large guns. That ought to do it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

ugh zug
63
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Posted - 2012.10.02 10:08:00 -
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op, herpa derpa me l2p Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
37
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Posted - 2012.10.02 10:09:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.
Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.
Stupid OP is stupid.
The only way I would agree with this is if Hi-Sec was made completely 100% safe. No ganking, no griefing, no spamming, no scamming - nothing. Let Null & Low-Sec be the Wild West.
Care Bears should be able to mission away to their little hearts are content in completely safety, free from the actions of dicks that just want to f*ck them over.
The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
762
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Posted - 2012.10.02 10:12:00 -
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Titans should be able to gank in hi sec. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Silk daShocka
Lawn Dart Industries
16
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Posted - 2012.10.02 10:15:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Titans should be able to gank in hi sec.
This would open up alot of opportunities for a salavaging career I would imagine.
Not like I can say I've had the luxury of salvaging a titan wreck though myself, so just guessin |

Pipa Porto
1099
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Posted - 2012.10.02 11:24:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:So are you saying that ganking 300m ship with cheap 2m T1 ship in few days old alt was balanced? Given that that ship's owner chose not to fit any sort of tank in order to make that possible, sure it is.
Quote:They are already rewarded... by not getting shot No they're not. People who take no precautions are safe and people who take precautions are not safer.
They take precautions and are no better off for it than the people who take no precautions.
Quote:low/null/wh is that way 
Where does CCP say "except HS" in the tagline?
Quote:They are already. They are ganked every day.
Not so much. They used to be, but then CCP decided to put them in swaddling clothes. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Apoctasy
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:25:00 -
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OP it is more than possible to suicide gank without being "select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals"
Learn to gank properly and quit crying to CCP for help |

baltec1
Bat Country
2320
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:27:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:captain foivos wrote: ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals .
So are you saying that ganking 300m ship with cheap 2m T1 ship in few days old alt was balanced?
Yes.
Things are not balanced by cost of the hull and if you fit zero tank then why should you survive? |

baltec1
Bat Country
2320
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:29:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:
Stupid OP is stupid.
The only way I would agree with this is if Hi-Sec was made completely 100% safe. No ganking, no griefing, no spamming, no scamming - nothing. Let Null & Low-Sec be the Wild West.
Care Bears should be able to mission away to their little hearts are content in completely safety, free from the actions of dicks that just want to f*ck them over.
You are playing the wrong game. |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
38
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Yes.
Things are not balanced by cost of the hull.
They should be. The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |

Pipa Porto
1100
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:34:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Yes.
Things are not balanced by cost of the hull.
They should be.
Why in gods name should things be balanced based on the price that a fluid and player driven market gives them? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
805
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:35:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Yes.
Things are not balanced by cost of the hull.
They should be. Why in gods name should things be balanced based on the price that a fluid and player driven market gives them?
Because this gentleman is butthurt. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

baltec1
Bat Country
2321
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:38:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Yes.
Things are not balanced by cost of the hull.
They should be.
You just invalidated 95% of all things in EVE. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4945
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:48:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Yes.
Things are not balanced by cost of the hull.
They should be.
welp you're wrong because they never have been and never will please leave |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9688
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:07:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yes.
Things are not balanced by cost of the hull. They should be. No, they really shouldn't, since history has shown -- in EVE and elsewhere -- that cost is not a balancing factor. Even games with fix cost will break down if you try to that unless the diminishing returns are so huge as to render the most expensive ships completely useless compared to their cheaper counterparts.
...and in EVE, it's even worse since the costs are not fix. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:11:00 -
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OP, here's your thread. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |

Kestutis Fujika
Critical Mass ltd.
3
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Posted - 2012.10.02 15:30:00 -
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Its fine at it is. It was stupid that cheap ship could kill Hulks. If you want balance so much the lets bring everyone on same grounds. Lets make that all BC, BS would pop as soon they even would dare to fit any damage or scram mods(Aka mining upgarade and skaners for miners). Let make it so that ur tengus and other shines would blow up from 3 thrashers or sentrys. Since we all need to put tank. |

TharOkha
0asis Group
79
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Posted - 2012.10.02 15:42:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: Given that that ship's owner chose not to fit any sort of tank in order to make that possible, sure it is. .
Even well "tanked" mack was easy prey for catalyst. Please dont tell me that a couple of hundred HP on multi hundred milion ship was "balanced" :D. You just crying for easy prey and cowardly hiding behind "they should tank it better" 
Quote:They take precautions and are no better off for it than the people who take no precautions.
wat?
Quote:Where does CCP say "except HS" in the tagline?
Maybe in the core of the name itself of those regions? You know ....."""HI-SECURITY SPACE""?!
Quote:Not so much. They used to be, but then CCP decided to put them in swaddling clothes Buffing destroyers DPS, adding Tier 3 BC speaks for something different BTW dont mud the water with clothes and NEX. Its not hisec dwellers fault ok? GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |

Pipa Porto
1103
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Posted - 2012.10.02 15:58:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Even well "tanked" mack was easy prey for catalyst. Please dont tell me that a couple of hundred HP on multi hundred milion ship was "balanced" :D. You just crying for easy prey and cowardly hiding behind "they should tank it better" 
A Hulk pre-buff tanked better than many HACs. A Hulk pre-buff tanked enough that it could not be profitable to gank with a reasonable number of gankers.
So you're saying price should affect tank? Really?
Quote:Quote:They take precautions and are no better off for it than the people who take no precautions. wat?
Look at the ice belts. The people who are sitting AFK for 40 minutes at a time are no worse off than the people who are paying attention to their ships. Ergo, there's no benefit to paying attention.
Quote:Maybe in the core of the name itself of those regions? You know ....."""HI-SECURITY SPACE""?!
"EVE is a Cold, Harsh Universe" where does it say 'Except for High Sec' in there?
High Security space is simply a different set of aggression mechanics, one where aggression costs the aggressor something.
Quote:Buffing destroyers DPS, adding Tier 3 BC speaks for something different  BTW dont mud the water with clothes and NEX. Its not hisec dwellers fault ok? You're conveniently forgetting the insurance nerf that came along with those. Crucible significantly increased the cost to gank anything. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

baltec1
Bat Country
2321
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Posted - 2012.10.02 16:02:00 -
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Kestutis Fujika wrote:Its fine at it is. It was stupid that cheap ship could kill Hulks. If you want balance so much the lets bring everyone on same grounds. Lets make that all BC, BS would pop as soon they even would dare to fit any damage or scram mods(Aka mining upgarade and skaners for miners). Let make it so that ur tengus and other shines would blow up from 3 thrashers or sentrys. Since we all need to put tank.
T3 ships do explode to destroyers...
Also yes, it was stupid that a single destroyer could kill a hulk. But the stupidity was entirely on the part of the hulk pilot for fitting no tank at all and opening themselves up to this kind of gank. |

Kestutis Fujika
Critical Mass ltd.
3
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Posted - 2012.10.02 16:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kestutis Fujika wrote:Its fine at it is. It was stupid that cheap ship could kill Hulks. If you want balance so much the lets bring everyone on same grounds. Lets make that all BC, BS would pop as soon they even would dare to fit any damage or scram mods(Aka mining upgarade and skaners for miners). Let make it so that ur tengus and other shines would blow up from 3 thrashers or sentrys. Since we all need to put tank. T3 ships do explode to destroyers... Also yes, it was stupid that a single destroyer could kill a hulk. But the stupidity was entirely on the part of the hulk pilot for fitting no tank at all and opening themselves up to this kind of gank.
Show me any kills were t3 got killed with 2 destroyers in high sec. If u put tank before balance you lose all yield bonuses , but all other ships can balance dmg ewar and tank modules and Hulks , macs and other couldn't it was tank or yield. Hulk should be on pair with BC (power grid, cpu , number of slots and so on) . Yes they or not meant for battle , but that doesn't mean they have to be paper thin. |
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