I PVP in a ship worth more than twice a marauder. What's your point?

Quite a lot of the ganking is done with disposable alts (at least in the past, i've recently returned to the game and as such, are a tad rusty on the various mechanics)... train a character for a week or two in the relevant skills, gank until his sec status gets too low, recycle the alt and make a new one...

Yes, i know that its "against CCP rules" (at least i think it is), but somehow i dont imagine that'll stop too many people..

But all that aside, on the spesific "barge can be ground back faster than standing", that rather depends on a lot of things, doesnt it ? If its a solo player, you can just forget about that. Even if he has an alt, i'd say its doubtful.

If he has 3+ characters that are dedicated to mining, then yes, it'll be a nuisance rather than a problem to mine back 250'ish million ISK. for new ship and fitting .

Go check Amarr.

I have there 1000 Catalysts for 200k each.

There you go. Yet another gank prevention technique. And we didn't even have to tell you how to do it.

Maybe CCP should force PvP in Marauders. Then the meatheads who think they are entitled to force Miners to PvP in a hulk will get it.

But that's what happens when "You constantly contradict yourself....[and] are just trolling and being irrational on purpose".

Actually, we did. Though I've been proposing 650s due to better tracking and ROF while still 2 vollying gank catalysts.

Actually, it's between 1-3x as much as marauders. And yes, it's blap dreads, amongst others.

So you PvP in a ship that can tank up to and including a doomsday and you are belly aching because they gave the Hulk some EHP.

Gotcha

Like you do on the forums every day?

There you go. Yet another gank prevention technique. And we didn't even have to tell you how to do it.

I do, I do. The trick is to know when I'm playing with your head.

Doesn't prevent alpha gank. If you guys want to destroy exhumer but pilot has friends in Nados/logis you bring best alpha ships to do the job.

Doesn't prevent alpha gank. If you guys want to destroy exhumer but pilot has friends in Nados/logis you bring best alpha ships to do the job.

Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.

Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.

Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.

Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.

Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?

Got any evidence that shows people are actually recycling alts? Didn't think so.

An Exhumer can be ground back in much less time than Sec status via ratting. One person ratting makes ~20m ticks for 60m/hr or ~4 hours to a new Exhumer. Ratting up sec status takes much longer.

Im sure something can be dug up if one goes far enough back, people used to brag about it. Generally speaking though, the only ones who could "prove" anything is CCP, they are the ones sitting on all our accounts.



In all honesty, thats a rather idiotic statement to make.

What if the player is relatively new, dont really have many/any skills unrelated to mining (that he didnt start with), and he does not want to go into low sec or 0.0 (where chances are far greater he'll lose another ship rather than actually making any money) ? And he certainly neither has the skills nor money for a HAC, BC, BS, or what have you.

If you ask me, your "solution" is just about the dumbest thing the barge user could have possibly done. But hey, thats just my opinon :)

What if the player is relatively new, dont really have many/any skills unrelated to mining (that he didnt start with), and he does not want to go into low sec or 0.0 (where chances are far greater he'll lose another ship rather than actually making any money) ? And he certainly neither has the skills nor money for a HAC, BC, BS, or what have you.

Update: CCP has once again shat on ganking in order to turn highsec into a risk-free carebear paradise.

Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.

Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.

Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?

You're just as bad as the miners that complain about get ganked when they can fit a tank. Adapt, dual box, make some friends, jesus.

Terminal boredom.

They choose that boring profession though. If the boredom is such an issue, perhaps they could find something more exciting?

Hey I know a profession that used to be exciting!!!

Relatively new players don't pilot exhumers. Granted, relatively poor ones can and do.