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Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 1060	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:32:00 - [301] - Quote Protip, the harsh cold universe isnt in hisec. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 855	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:03:00 - [302] - Quote Rico Minali wrote: Protip, the harsh cold universe isnt in hisec. You're right. ItGÇÖs everywhere. Jorma Morkkis wrote: You should read the devblog again. What does that have to do with what I said? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 700	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:53:00 - [303] - Quote TharOkha wrote: CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn. Mallak: Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable. read post above.... No, they buffed them because... Read my signature. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 700	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:56:00 - [304] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Are you saying that it's impossible to destroy Mack with two T2 fit Catalysts? If majority uses Macks over Hulks then that only means majority of miners are solo miners. If they tank then yes it is impossible to do it with two catalysts. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 700	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:52:00 - [305] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: baltec1 wrote: Anslo wrote: Aaaah a risk free high-sec. Sounds nice. U mad ganking peasants? Man are you in for a shock this winter. Next expansion will bring PvP back to hisec. Don't like fair PvP? Stop playing. This is EVE. If you want fair PvP, then you chose to play the wrong game. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
captain foivos State War Academy Caldari State 44	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:09:00 - [306] - Quote If a fight is fair, you've already lost.
Beekeeper Bob 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 270	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:19:00 - [307] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: TharOkha wrote: CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn. Mallak: Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable. read post above.... No, they buffed them because... Read my signature. Well which is it? Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply? The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players.... "CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature."
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1348	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:25:00 - [308] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: TharOkha wrote: CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn. Mallak: Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable. read post above.... No, they buffed them because... Read my signature. Well which is it? Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply? The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players.... So, gankers want the same thing miners have now. Roger. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 240	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:30:00 - [309] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Well which is it? Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply? The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players.... They've been asked that 50 times already Bob. I think the question is too complex for them. 1) They were only ever able to gank in easymode. 2) Now it's hardmode they've gone all whiney. Perhaps if they flood the forums with indignation and tears, CCP will change it for them. Apparently, that's all you need to do. (mind you, if the above is true, funny a Goon should whine that metagaming the forums was a bad thing to get what you want - they have taught us well...) I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 240	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:31:00 - [310] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: So, gankers want the same thing miners have now. Roger. No. Gankers don't need TANK. They can optimize their combat vessel for maximum dps to garnish that profit. oh lolz. see what i did there I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1348	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:33:00 - [311] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: Well which is it? Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply? The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players.... They've been asked that 50 times already Bob. I think the question is too complex for them. 1) They were only ever able to gank in easymode. 2) Now it's hardmode they've gone all whiney. Perhaps if they flood the forums with indignation and tears, CCP will change it for them. Apparently, that's all you need to do. (mind you, if the above is true, funny a Goon should whine that metagaming the forums was a bad thing to get what you want - they have taught us well...) See above post. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 700	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:33:00 - [312] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: TharOkha wrote: CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn. Mallak: Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable. read post above.... No, they buffed them because... Read my signature. Well which is it? Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply? The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players.... Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 240	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:37:00 - [313] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game. I'm calling this for the BS it is. Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players. I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
baltec1 Bat Country 2368	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:37:00 - [314] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: 1) They were only ever able to gank in easymode. 2) Now it's hardmode they've gone all whiney. 1) Miners provided the easy mode by fitting no tank. 2) Now its impossible to make a profit on Macks that have no tank fitted at all.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 700	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:40:00 - [315] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game. I'm calling this for the BS it is. Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players. This perfectly explains why we've pushed for many changes that would directly benefit other people, right? Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1350	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:41:00 - [316] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game. I'm calling this for the BS it is. Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players. Ad Hominem against an entire alliance of players aren't less of a fallacy than Ad Hominem against one player. Quite the contrary. Let's not debate our intention, since it's a game and our intention is fun. Let's debate the empirical facts. There are plenty of miners to sustain a moderate ganking population. Those are the empirical facts. Don't like being prey? Welp... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1 Bat Country 2368	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:43:00 - [317] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game. I'm calling this for the BS it is. Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players. Yet it was us that provided miners the best prices for ice they have ever seen while at the same time all but wiping out high sec mining bots. What have you done to help miners?
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 240	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:48:00 - [318] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Touval Lysander wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game. I'm calling this for the BS it is. Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players. Yet it was us that provided miners the best prices for ice they have ever seen while at the same time all but wiping out high sec mining bots. What have you done to help miners? Using an alt who shall remain nameless, I errr..... helped stirred up a lot of forum angst along with other miners that was, if you guys are correct, responsible for the changes to buff mining barges after the "great ice interdiction". Kinda ironic isn't it EDIT - And stop rabbiting about "all but wiping out miner bots". You did not. Not even close. At a guess, 90% of icefields never saw a Goon. I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1350	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:50:00 - [319] - Quote I like how miners just keep acting like not getting ganked was never an option. I mean they could literally mine aligned and be invulnerable by warping when anything landed on grid. The ore bay alone buffed the everloving hell out of this ability. The EHP and the aggression changes taken on top of this just makes me wonder what miners think serves as a legitimate risk to their business models in high-sec now. Answer: This is probably the nerf to high-sec the alleged "null zealots" are purported to have been seeking all along. The overall result can only be a reduction in high-sec material prices. No other reasonable options exist. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1 Bat Country 2373	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:58:00 - [320] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Using an alt who shall remain nameless, I errr..... helped stirred up a lot of forum angst along with other miners that was, if you guys are correct, responsible for the changes to buff mining barges after the "great ice interdiction". Kinda ironic isn't it EDIT - And stop rabbiting about "all but wiping out miner bots". You did not. Not even close. At a guess, 90% of icefields never saw a Goon. All ice belts in caldari space went from 100+ to 10 to 20. As for your "help". Well done, you managed to wipe out 2/3s of the value of ice in a matter of weeks thanks to the fleets of bots now infesting high sec once again now that they are safe from ganks with minerals following suit.
Katabrok First Apukaray Security 16	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:03:00 - [321] - Quote captain foivos wrote: Update: CCP has once again shat on ganking in order to turn highsec into a risk-free carebear paradise. Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay. Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people. Only the native inhabitants from Mongolia should be separated from their belongings? Why? I can't grasp what do you have against a population who lives in such a harsh region of our beloved planet earth... Kata
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 240	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:04:00 - [322] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: I like how miners just keep acting like not getting ganked was never an option. I mean they could literally mine aligned and be invulnerable by warping when anything landed on grid. The ore bay alone buffed the everloving hell out of this ability. The EHP and the aggression changes taken on top of this just makes me wonder what miners think serves as a legitimate risk to their business models in high-sec now. Answer: This is probably the nerf to high-sec the alleged "null zealots" are purported to have been seeking all along. The overall result can only be a reduction in high-sec material prices. No other reasonable options exist. Never been quite sure how nerfing highsec fixes 0.0. Why not just buff 0.0? And, err.... props to your persistence on an incorrect supposition. It's not possible mate. This has been proven countless times in RL and VR economies. ONLY way is with monopolies on the belts and no-one will ever have that in Eve. UNLESS..... UNLESS...... We shift all the ore belts into nullsec and the alliances own it all. Oh??? Your masterplan has been exposed! I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1350	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:05:00 - [323] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Touval Lysander wrote: Using an alt who shall remain nameless, I errr..... helped stirred up a lot of forum angst along with other miners that was, if you guys are correct, responsible for the changes to buff mining barges after the "great ice interdiction". Kinda ironic isn't it EDIT - And stop rabbiting about "all but wiping out miner bots". You did not. Not even close. At a guess, 90% of icefields never saw a Goon. All ice belts in caldari space went from 100+ to 10 to 20. As for your "help". Well done, you managed to wipe out 2/3s of the value of ice in a matter of weeks thanks to the fleets of bots now infesting high sec once again now that they are safe from ganks with minerals following suit. Nice job, Touval Lysander. It looks to me like you just took credit for ruining it for the miners who were mining successfully under a more stressful mining environment. You also are probably single-handedly responsible for the upswing in PLEX prixes, by your own admission here. How does it feel to have gotten your profession a global nerf by the buffs you so greedily sought? Hey look, systems responding to pressure...who would have guessed?!? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 700	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:27:00 - [324] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: I like how miners just keep acting like not getting ganked was never an option. I mean they could literally mine aligned and be invulnerable by warping when anything landed on grid. The ore bay alone buffed the everloving hell out of this ability. The EHP and the aggression changes taken on top of this just makes me wonder what miners think serves as a legitimate risk to their business models in high-sec now. Answer: This is probably the nerf to high-sec the alleged "null zealots" are purported to have been seeking all along. The overall result can only be a reduction in high-sec material prices. No other reasonable options exist. Never been quite sure how nerfing highsec fixes 0.0. Why not just buff 0.0? And, err.... props to your persistence on an incorrect supposition. It's not possible mate. This has been proven countless times in RL and VR economies. ONLY way is with monopolies on the belts and no-one will ever have that in Eve. UNLESS..... UNLESS...... We shift all the ore belts into nullsec and the alliances own it all. Oh??? Your masterplan has been exposed! There are places called NPC nullsec which no one owns. I have an ideal vision for balance, but it needs more work before I present it & this thread is not the place for that. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 774	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:55:00 - [325] - Quote Anslo wrote: Aaaah a risk free high-sec. Sounds nice. U mad ganking peasants? Don't ask complicated questions plz, they have already hard time rabbling the same old story again and again and again and again. They solve nothing and learn nothing then cry because mechanics and stuff alike they exploited/abused at the highest degree get fixed, now they cry because gank mackinaws is unprofitable, yesterday because no one flies hulks, tomorow because another crappy argument and they will always cry no matter what you do or say. Worthless thread from same worthless who were wrong before mining barges buff, still wrong now, and will still be wrong tomorrow but they will never learn, ever. There's absolutely nothing you can do about it, it's wasted time and energy. brb
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4997	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:57:00 - [326] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Never been quite sure how nerfing highsec fixes 0.0. Why not just buff 0.0? Power creep. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting. fofofofofo
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 861	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:06:00 - [327] - Quote Andski wrote: Touval Lysander wrote: Never been quite sure how nerfing highsec fixes 0.0. Why not just buff 0.0? Power creep. Did you forget that they nerfed nullsec individual income? It's not power creep if they reverse those nerfs. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1528	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:25:00 - [328] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: I like how miners just keep acting like not getting ganked was never an option. I mean they could literally mine aligned and be invulnerable by warping when anything landed on grid. The ore bay alone buffed the everloving hell out of this ability. The EHP and the aggression changes taken on top of this just makes me wonder what miners think serves as a legitimate risk to their business models in high-sec now. Answer: This is probably the nerf to high-sec the alleged "null zealots" are purported to have been seeking all along. The overall result can only be a reduction in high-sec material prices. No other reasonable options exist. Maybe we've just given up, it's time to see if indeed we can let them be. After all, if you just leave it, sometimes fire will burn itself out. Hey ho, down the spiral we go ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 240	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:33:00 - [329] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Touval Lysander wrote: Using an alt who shall remain nameless, I errr..... helped stirred up a lot of forum angst along with other miners that was, if you guys are correct, responsible for the changes to buff mining barges after the "great ice interdiction". Kinda ironic isn't it EDIT - And stop rabbiting about "all but wiping out miner bots". You did not. Not even close. At a guess, 90% of icefields never saw a Goon. All ice belts in caldari space went from 100+ to 10 to 20. As for your "help". Well done, you managed to wipe out 2/3s of the value of ice in a matter of weeks thanks to the fleets of bots now infesting high sec once again now that they are safe from ganks with minerals following suit. oh lolz. Even 100% of caldari ice is only equal to approx. 1/4 of ice available. I did say at a guess. Could be 50% for all the difference it made. It was a blip. The reaction however was far stronger. Bad luck Goons. Fail. And did you mean the artifically induced speculative ice price or the aggregate market price which is governed by "normal" supply and demand? (There was a lot of futures trading on commodities wasn't there Goon?) But meh, as long as you guys are convinced that killing a few Macks/Hulks has a real, tangible and sustained effect on the price of ore, well, you keep thinking that. atm, I see prices higher than they have been for a long, long time. If they drop, and they can go a LONG, LONG way, other market forces come into play and the REAL value will be achieved REGARDLESS of the blips you try to inject. And NEVER forget the underlying RL demand (subs) - the reason for Eve's existence - needs to be maintained otherwise Eve's market and it's ability to manage itself is all for nought. As long as that RL external force is in play, tinkering with how a game should change to manage a VR market, becomes an issue well outside the scope of Eve players themselves. Any change in game mechanics in a VR world MUST be sympathetic to the demands within the RL world. This alone puts a normal VR economy outside "normal" market rules. So Goon, I didn't cause anything. You did. I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1528	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:39:00 - [330] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: So Goon, I didn't cause anything. You did. Aww yeah ~ Let's rock and roll all the way to Jita 4-4 in an overloaded freighter that will probably get ganked ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm

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