To be honest yes this means you will no longer be able to do this solo in a stealth bomber

Oh no!

Warping a small ship into a hoard of NPCs might become dangerous.

This is unheard of CCP. PvP players should *not* have to deal with PvE if they don't want to!

*Much rolling of eyes*

You should be as much of a potential target as the ratter , period.

Exactly.

You are not "apparently on their side", you are a hostile in their space too. And you're a damn easy target. You'll die fast and first.

Goodbye.

(And I hunt the nullsec ratters myself - but nice try assuming I was the carebear :) )

You sound worse than the carebears whining about this supposed nerf to their afk drones.

Anything involving the non-sleeper AI is ridiculously easy right now. If it makes the ratter's job harder and the ganker's job harder, then good. CCP is making a ridiculously non-challenging aspect of the game more challenging.

This is a good thing.

Oh look, the PvE crowd is adapting already. That's not so hard now, is it?

Now if only those 'leet PvPizza guys had any PvE experience, they could probably adapt and be able to tackle something in a room full of NPCs too.

Use a different ship. Use a new tactic. Come up with a different fitting.

Adapting involves change. Examine the possibilities, test theories, discard ones that don't work.

And lets not forget you can simply just wait for him to kill off the small things before decloaking and engaging. Or if he's saving them until last, wait until theres just a few left, decloak, point bear, kill/tank rats, kill bear.



I think you missed the part where FoxFour is simply wrong.

I do not support this view.

Why should NPCs ignore a juicy target... you wouldn't.
Why should NPCs continue attacking targets they cannot take down... you wouldn't.
Why should NPCs help you kill something you would benefit from... you wouldn't

Not to mention, there is already an in-game precedent for this as WH hunters have to deal with this already. Maybe you just need to expand your horizons and raise the challenge bar a bit?

Besides, what after you made your kill? Do they continue to ignore you? Help you loot? It is good and immersive to have smarter AI all around that treats everyone equally. Keeps everyone on their toes.

How does this kill low-sp PVP?

Instead of bombers, use Assault Frigates, or Recon Cruisers... Or... Or..

The only adaption for this change is to resort solely on awoxing, chain smoking, and other forms of blue on blue combat. Im sure you'll enjoy that if you're complaining about getting **** at by someone you can avoid.

These changes basically add the anti-frigate safety net of wormhole sites to space that has instant intel from local chat. It completely destroys the already thin window of tackling and killing ratters with frigates.

Its effect in general will make nullsec and lowsec a duller place, while making virtually no difference in the already boring pve aspect of mission running and ratting.

and why don't you juts try a real pvp instead of ganking people doing their plexs?? i would be a F.. good idea for once !!

Kill NPC frigs then kill target, though I guess that would require more :effort:.

Changing how something needs to be done does not necessarily mean that it is "negatively affected".

Have you tested these changes on the test server?

Are CCP done tweaking the new system yet, or merely asking for informed feedback at this point after testing?

Are you jumping to conclusions about what will be possible/impossible after these changes?

Slow down big fella.

I an afraid you are majoring on the stupidity side of things - basically your moan boils down to wanting your pvp being as risk free as possible - suck it up and try actual combat for a change

But this is one of the "next big things." The new AI has been mentioned as being much more flexible and adjustable by the programmers and content people.

It came out with wormholes and sleepers, with the promise of being a good upgrade for other NPC AI down the road if things turned out the way CCP hoped.

Here we are, a few years down the road, with all due caution and attention being paid, and here's you waving a red flag saying, "HOLD ON! SLOW DOWN! Let's be cautious."

How much time spent on a change is enough time for you? This one has been years in the planning. You're the one having a knee-jerk reaction to it now.

And please, by all means, drum up another specious argument or straw man attack to the people who are bothering to keep talking to you.

For all we know this may well go hand in glove with a change to how local in Null works.

Point being, we don't know enough about what is coming next, and it's foolish to ask for something to be dropped completely until we do.

Solution: Give all the 0.0 rat frigates scrams/webs that way the ratter can decide to kill them first and not be tackled and the bomber/dessie/inty/dictor 's have a clear shot or the ratter can leave them have potential bomber defense and be tackled until the rats are dead.

Edit: Actually, whats the point in even arguing. CCP have made it very, very clear that they're turning this into Hello Kitty Online. Failwatch, miner buff, and more. By winter 2014 all PVE will be instanced and only corp members can access those pockets of space.

It appears Duality will be down for a couple of weeks. I'm not sure if that means no testing at all until the 19th, or if we'll have an opportunity elsewhere.

How FFS is the new AI a problem for STEALTH bombers?

Did the new AI took away your cloak or something? It's suddenly no longer possible to wait, invisible, until the target cleaned the field of NPC a bit and THEN jump him?

Oh noes! Ganking a PvEer might involve some risk. What a tragedy.