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Cyno Kidd School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:30:00 - [1] - Quote I understand eve-kill has hardware problems. It's something about 8.000 $ afaik. Eve-kill looks great and helps us all a lot, obviously. Why don't CCP help Eve-kill to get the site going ? Not my business how they wanna do it. We will be happy, CCP should be happy, Eve-kill happy ! Everybody wins ! It's a small amount of money for a company like CCP so I don't think it's a big deal for them. They should invest or help related Eve programs that help us everyday. Dotlan, killboards ( big ones like eve-kill or battleclinic ), EveMon, etc. Maybe I miss facts and they do help so I may just talk bullshite right now. If anyone can clear things for me, I'll be thankful. o/
Cannibal Kane Umkhonto We Sizwe 576	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote Because all of them is 3rd party? I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy Space Poor South African. *Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it.
Cyno Kidd School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:39:00 - [3] - Quote Could be 10th party if you ask me, we all use them everyday, I think it's in CCP interest to keep us happy. I don't see your point.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 939	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:41:00 - [4] - Quote Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 1563	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:43:00 - [5] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable. This. Also, even if they did/do help the Eve-kill team, I'm pretty sure they won't go public about it. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 635	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote Hey at least they're not charging Eve Kill $99 a year for "licensing" like they wanted to.
RAGE QU1T Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:44:00 - [7] - Quote Proposes CCP take the DUST killboard template, tweeks it for EVE, lock a Dev in a closet for a month, and implement for TQ.End result CCP saves $8,000, the community aswel as CCP is no longer dependent on a third party that had ltm resources.
Imports Plus State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:25:00 - [8] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable. Except that the killboard and km tracking is vital to many thousands of pvp players. Any other 3rd party app is just fluff. HELP EVE-KILL DAMMIT
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 783	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:39:00 - [9] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill. So I guess you should be happy that it's down. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 1370	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:55:00 - [10] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. Kill reports (mails?) help tell the stories of conflict in this game. This game is all about combat. Without the stories, this game would be forgettable. The more detailed information in kill mails to help tell the story, the better. Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
Reticle Sight Picture 24	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:57:00 - [11] - Quote If they're going to help EVE Kill, then I'd like to get some help for my hardware issues as well. $8k for me please!
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 261	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:59:00 - [12] - Quote I have a better idea; http://pledgie.com/campaigns/18342 The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Ryhss Android Gang Stealth Syndicate 17	Posted - 2012.10.03 20:59:00 - [13] - Quote What's Eve-kill?
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 203	Posted - 2012.10.03 21:04:00 - [14] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill. So I guess you should be happy that it's down. Let me help you with that.
Brusanan Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2012.10.03 21:12:00 - [15] - Quote Why isn't the OP giving Eve-Kill his money? Also, there are plenty of alternatives to Eve-Kill.
Cannibal Kane The Angel of Death 580	Posted - 2012.10.03 21:16:00 - [16] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill. So I guess you should be happy that it's down. Why should I be happy it's down? I just think if people were not held up to ridicule for a loss more people would actually risk loosing their ships. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy Space Poor South African. *Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1275	Posted - 2012.10.03 21:19:00 - [17] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill. So I guess you should be happy that it's down. Why should I be happy it's down? I just think if people were not held up to ridicule for a loss more people would actually risk loosing their ships. No, I don't think they would. Contrary to what you assert, most risk aversion is due to attachment. That attachment can be derived from value or any other arbitrary human foible. Some people who really love their precious won't ever risk it. That's the definition of risk-aversion. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Cyno Kidd School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.10.04 04:18:00 - [18] - Quote Tbh, I don't really understand why CCP haven't started their own killboards and similar programs like EveMon, Eveboard, Ore charts, Jitonomic alike and so on. And no, CCP could help any 3rd party they want, nobody can make them help ALL of them. If I were in their place, I would help only the ones who really brought something to make the game better.
ArmyOfMe Probable Cause. 109	Posted - 2012.10.04 06:27:00 - [19] - Quote Yawn.... The one thread to rule them all (oh wait, wrong one) Suleiman Shouaa> And you still think you're taking risks? NightmareX> I do. I take risks every day. But i do whatever i can to make sure i'm not ending up in a loss.
Karbowiak Superior Mass 67	Posted - 2012.10.04 10:08:00 - [20] - Quote Hi, and thanks to everyone of you who have donated so far. So far i have been waiting on CCP to say yay or nay to letting us post on EVE-O about the pledgie and the issues we have been having, but seeing as someone else posted it, i shall reply! The problems we are having are hardware related, and after trying several hosters to get the specific kind of hardware we want and need to keep EVE-KILL running, we came to the conclusion that paying upwards of 800$ a month to get the sort of support, bandwidth, peering and hardware we wanted, wasn't at all feasible. So instead we started looking at maybe doing it ourselves, and - well, we have decided that we can and will do it ourselves. Problem is however, that EVE-KILL can barely make enough to keep itself afloat as it is, and the money that is leftover after paying servers and whatnot, is being saved up for just this thing (buying our own hardware). Sadly we have been sort of forced to do it early, which is why we are asking the community for help with getting us the last money. Now, you might think that CCP should help us do this sort of thing, but as someone else already pointed out, if CCP decides to help us out with money, they pretty much would have to help everyone else too. So i can completely understand their dilemma. Which is also why i havn't asked them for monetary assistance, and i wont. If they offer it, great, if not, no biggie. Anyway, i'll continue fixing holes on the sinking ship while Beanie is manning the pumps. Hopefully we can stay afloat a little longer
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin 536	Posted - 2012.10.04 10:24:00 - [21] - Quote plexes for eve-kill from ccp? :D http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
Acac Sunflyier Burning Star L.L.C. 242	Posted - 2012.10.04 10:25:00 - [22] - Quote CCP should buy Eve-Kill There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn!
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 382	Posted - 2012.10.04 10:26:00 - [23] - Quote What is this thread even about anyways? The stuff. Quote: Crowd funding or crowdfunding (alternately crowd financing, equity crowdfunding or social fundraising) describes the collective effort of individuals who network and pool their resources, usually via the Internet, to support efforts initiated by other people or organizations.[1] Crowd funding is used in support of a wide variety of activities, including disaster relief, citizen journalism, support of artists by fans, political campaigns, startup company funding,[2] movie[3] or free software development, and scientific research.[4] ...seizures... WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Ilykbois Butt4Sex LoGisTicAl ERr0R 1	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:19:00 - [24] - Quote There is another kill-board being constructed and looks to have great potential, it's in early stages but a viable option instead of just having eve-kill Take a look and see what you think. Decloaked.com
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 382	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:24:00 - [25] - Quote Ilykbois Butt4Sex wrote: There is another kill-board being constructed and looks to have great potential, it's in early stages but a viable option instead of just having eve-kill Take a look and see what you think. Decloaked.com My Corp has been looking for people like you. Anyways how long has that taken so far David? ...confusion... WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal.
Dasola Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire 60	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:37:00 - [26] - Quote To Op. Why dont you that use eve-kill help out? After all its service you fellows seems to use and enjoy. Im sure if punch of you would pay 2$ donation to them they would get servers up and running in notime. Personally i dont see why CCP should help them, where would it end then? They would set dangerous and expensive policy of paying hardware for 3rd party developers. im sure theres a lot of services that would happily accept free servers [Insert something funny or smart here]
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 62	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:38:00 - [27] - Quote EVE-Kill is not under the responsibility of CCP. deal with it.
Marcus Harikari Guitar Players of EVE 96	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:41:00 - [28] - Quote EVE-kill is awesome. I think CCP should help them out if they can.
Cyno Kidd School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.10.04 12:02:00 - [29] - Quote Liafcipe9000 wrote: EVE-Kill is not under the responsibility of CCP. deal with it. And I have a big screen TV. What's you're point ? Please do this : don't use killboard, EveMon, DotLan, EveHQ, EFT and all other 3rd party programs for a month. Come back to us and let us know if you're still playing the game.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 52	Posted - 2012.10.04 12:02:00 - [30] - Quote Imports Plus wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable. Except that the killboard and km tracking is vital to many thousands of pvp players. Any other 3rd party app is just fluff. HELP EVE-KILL DAMMIT Vital ?? Nope, whats vital is a ship with guns. The killboard is just fluff The killboard is just about epeen stroking It's why they are run on an Opt-in basis. Serious question for you. If eve-kill is Vital to your gameplay, how many of the needed 8000 dollars, have you personally sent them ? Because I'm guessing your contribution is $0
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 62	Posted - 2012.10.04 12:14:00 - [31] - Quote Cyno Kidd wrote: Liafcipe9000 wrote: EVE-Kill is not under the responsibility of CCP. deal with it. And I have a big screen TV. What's you're point ? Please do this : don't use killboard, EveMon, DotLan, EveHQ, EFT and all other 3rd party programs for a month. Come back to us and let us know if you're still playing the game. what a stupid idea and a stupid post while at it...
Gun Gal Dark Club 114	Posted - 2012.10.04 12:15:00 - [32] - Quote Cyno Kidd wrote: Liafcipe9000 wrote: EVE-Kill is not under the responsibility of CCP. deal with it. And I have a big screen TV. What's you're point ? Please do this : don't use killboard, EveMon, DotLan, EveHQ, EFT and all other 3rd party programs for a month. Come back to us and let us know if you're still playing the game. Its been done by many people who take personal pride in victory, not as a public epeen event as obviously you do. As far as the fitting tools, whelp, the longer youplay eve the less you really use it due to the knowledge you gain.
TriadSte IronPig Sev3rance 115	Posted - 2012.10.04 12:33:00 - [33] - Quote Although I am totally behind keeping Eve-Kill alive :D I wonder why the need for such high end hardware to run what's basically a database?
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 1489	Posted - 2012.10.04 13:21:00 - [34] - Quote Acac Sunflyier wrote: CCP should buy Eve-Kill and then make them develop a killboard for World of Darkness ...rite? TK is recruiting
Serena Serene Heretic University Heretic Nation 3440	Posted - 2012.10.04 13:30:00 - [35] - Quote RAGE QU1T wrote: Proposes CCP take the DUST killboard template, tweeks it for EVE, lock a Dev in a closet for a month, and implement for TQ.End result CCP saves $8,000, the community aswel as CCP is no longer dependent on a third party that had ltm resources. Because a dev locked away for a month doesn't cost anything.
Krell Kroenen Miners In Possession Brothers of Apocrypha. 44	Posted - 2012.10.04 14:00:00 - [36] - Quote If Eve-Kill is so popular and used by so many, have them pony up a dollar each and that should solve the issue unless the people who care about it make up less than 3% of the Eve population. Then you might have a problem funding it via player donations. I myself rather have my subscription dollars be used on improving the game and keeping the hamsters fed.
Gallente Citizen 827473904528 LoGisTicAl ERr0R 1	Posted - 2012.10.04 15:30:00 - [37] - Quote Graic Gabtar wrote: Ilykbois Butt4Sex wrote: There is another kill-board being constructed and looks to have great potential, it's in early stages but a viable option instead of just having eve-kill Take a look and see what you think. Decloaked.com My Corp has been looking for people like you. Anyways how long has that taken so far David? ...confusion... CCP didn't like my name, sad times. Anyway check the site out, it's a perfectly good alternative to eve-kill and in some ways better.
Karbowiak Superior Mass 68	Posted - 2012.10.04 17:45:00 - [38] - Quote TriadSte wrote: Although I am totally behind keeping Eve-Kill alive :D I wonder why the need for such high end hardware to run what's basically a database? Problem is EDK is coded like **, and requires so much memory to do the table joins. We have found ways to limit it and make it much faster than default EDK, but it's still memory hungry like hell. Gallente Citizen 827473904528 wrote: Graic Gabtar wrote: Ilykbois Butt4Sex wrote:** There is another kill-board being constructed and looks to have great potential, it's in early stages but a viable option instead of just having eve-kill Take a look and see what you think. Decloaked.com My Corp has been looking for people like you. Anyways how long has that taken so far David? ...confusion... CCP didn't like my name, sad times. Anyway check the site out, it's a perfectly good alternative to eve-kill and in some ways better. Decloaked might be a fine technical example, but it's missing alot of features, and the looks aren't exactly up to par. But hey, if you want to compare Decloaked and EVE-KILL, go for it. I for one welcome the competition
Khorkrak Confetti Explosion 27	Posted - 2012.10.04 18:40:00 - [39] - Quote Well there are a few key differences. For one, the site is just one example of what you can do with the code. The backend is separate from the web code and it's also decoupled from the particular database it's running on mostly. So if you don't like the look or whatever, you can create your own web app without having to start completely from scratch. You can choose which database to use without having to rewrite a bunch of application code. You would still have to adjust the DDL (sql table creation scripts). This is still very much a work in progress however. It's experimental and some scalability issues have indeed become apparent. Nothing that'll cause issues soon but certainly would down the road. Solutions involving dramatically reducing the storage requirements for the most rapidly growing data have been provided by others and I'm implementing this now along with design changes to make parallelism easier - horizontal scaling using multiple servers as opposed to 1 massive box. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Nothing is achieved daring to try! Developer of http://www.decloaked.com and http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykb/
NickyYo StarHug 225	Posted - 2012.10.04 18:44:00 - [40] - Quote because why would CCP help evekill etc who rake in crap loads of cash of advertisement from ccps work. CCP should create database dumps of all killmails so people like me can create and awesome killboard! ..
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance 121	Posted - 2012.10.04 18:57:00 - [41] - Quote Imports Plus wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable. Except that the killboard and km tracking is vital to many thousands of pvp players. Any other 3rd party app is just fluff. HELP EVE-KILL DAMMIT Ermmm... Staticmapper, Evemaps, Eveeye, Eve-Central are incredibly useful... I use the first 3 more than Eve-Kill. That being said, I hope they sort things out and get their funding, because it's an awesome service. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
NickyYo StarHug 225	Posted - 2012.10.04 19:19:00 - [42] - Quote Well there is an easy fix for this, (cloud-hosting) but it means eve-kill will need to share their database killmails, if they are not greedy to keep that information then this idea will work.. How it would work Eve kill sets up a panel for people to donate sql database resources via inputting their web address, username and password setup up details with limited access just for this. Eve-kill keeps track of all databases relationships, sending 2-3 copies of the same killmails to different databases incase one goes down.. When eve kill loads up its page, it will randomly select one of those hosts toget the details from. I did post this idea in the tech forums but there was no reply.. ..
Karbowiak Superior Mass 68	Posted - 2012.10.04 20:00:00 - [43] - Quote NickyYo wrote: Well there is an easy fix for this, (cloud-hosting) but it means eve-kill will need to share their database killmails, if they are not greedy to keep that information then this idea will work.. How it would work Eve kill sets up a panel for people to donate sql database resources via inputting their web address, username and password setup up details with limited access just for this. Eve-kill keeps track of all databases relationships, sending 2-3 copies of the same killmails to different databases incase one goes down.. When eve kill loads up its page, it will randomly select one of those hosts toget the details from. I did post this idea in the tech forums but there was no reply.. OR The killboard system is re-coded from scratch, its currently donkeys old and does 100's of queries per a load... With all that cash eve-kill has made of advertisement maybee they could re-code it? Cloud computing isn't the end all be all of the computing world, infact you often end up with a product that is slower, and costs 5 times what you'd normally pay for a dedicated. In our case we're paying about 500 EUR each month for our one server, if we switched to the cloud, we'd be paying 1500.. And we can barely pay the server as is :P As for your idea with load distributing, it could work, but doing it like that seems silly and pointless - and is just wastefull with resources. Would be much better to use MySQL Cluster, but that requires a full copy of the db on each node. Which ain't gonna happen, since we wont give out the DB as is, mainly because of the massive potential of information abuse, and because people's emails are in the database. Jot it up as greed if you want, but then remember we have the idfeed and epic running, and then rethink that position :P Anyway, cloud bad, dedicated good..
flakeys Angels of Anarchy Interstellar Confederation 384	Posted - 2012.10.04 20:08:00 - [44] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. I support this Imports Plus wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable. Except that the killboard and km tracking is vital to many thousands of pvp players. Any other 3rd party app is just fluff. HELP EVE-KILL DAMMIT It's not VITAL , we managed fine before they where there.I would state the opposite , because it killed fun casual pvp.Now people only engage if they are allmost sure they win because ow my we can't have a bad k/d ratio now can we ? James Amril-Kesh wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh. That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill. So I guess you should be happy that it's down. That's the kind of comment wich makes me think you got 15000 kills on it yet all you got is big blob ganks and allmost none to zero solo kills worth mentioning. There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á
NickyYo StarHug 225	Posted - 2012.10.04 20:44:00 - [45] - Quote Karbowiak wrote: NickyYo wrote: Well there is an easy fix for this, (cloud-hosting) but it means eve-kill will need to share their database killmails, if they are not greedy to keep that information then this idea will work.. How it would work Eve kill sets up a panel for people to donate sql database resources via inputting their web address, username and password setup up details with limited access just for this. Eve-kill keeps track of all databases relationships, sending 2-3 copies of the same killmails to different databases incase one goes down.. When eve kill loads up its page, it will randomly select one of those hosts toget the details from. I did post this idea in the tech forums but there was no reply.. OR The killboard system is re-coded from scratch, its currently donkeys old and does 100's of queries per a load... With all that cash eve-kill has made of advertisement maybee they could re-code it? Cloud computing isn't the end all be all of the computing world, infact you often end up with a product that is slower, and costs 5 times what you'd normally pay for a dedicated. In our case we're paying about 500 EUR each month for our one server, if we switched to the cloud, we'd be paying 1500.. And we can barely pay the server as is :P As for your idea with load distributing, it could work, but doing it like that seems silly and pointless - and is just wastefull with resources. Would be much better to use MySQL Cluster, but that requires a full copy of the db on each node. Which ain't gonna happen, since we wont give out the DB as is, mainly because of the massive potential of information abuse, and because people's emails are in the database. Jot it up as greed if you want, but then remember we have the idfeed and epic running, and then rethink that position :P Anyway, cloud bad, dedicated good.. I think you miss understood me. Not rent cloud servers! But to get the eve community to donate their server resources! And it can be done quite easily, or just recode the actual killboard because not sure if you have seen it latelybut over the pasy 8 years a lot of **** has been added to it. So many queries etc that are not needed.. I am willing to contribute to a totaly newly coded killboard system without all the junk, could do it through github. Not sure how many visitors you get, but heres some prospective. If Google were to put 1 extra image on its search page it would costs them millions extra in server costs just for one image. ..
RAGE QU1T Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.10.04 21:01:00 - [46] - Quote No T.A.R.P for EVE kill, they are not tool big TOO fail, let them die, After all with them dead this will in fact promote more PvP because people won't be so focused with their K/D ratio, and less likly be yelled at for having a crappy fits. EVE will survive without EVE-kill NO BAIL OUTS
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 773	Posted - 2012.10.04 22:19:00 - [47] - Quote Cyno Kidd wrote: I understand eve-kill has hardware problems. It's something about 8.000 $ afaik. Eve-kill looks great and helps us all a lot, obviously. Why don't CCP help Eve-kill to get the site going ? Not my business how they wanna do it. We will be happy, CCP should be happy, Eve-kill happy ! Everybody wins ! It's a small amount of money for a company like CCP so I don't think it's a big deal for them. They should invest or help related Eve programs that help us everyday. Dotlan, killboards ( big ones like eve-kill or battleclinic ), EveMon, etc. Maybe I miss facts and they do help so I may just talk bullshite right now. If anyone can clear things for me, I'll be thankful. o/ Eve-Kill is a 3rd party service. Eve-Kill has paying customers. CCP doesn't "Have to", they can if they want , if they don't want I don't really see where's the problem. I'm one paying customer for CCP, so when my computer is dead CCP should give me one. And I want it NAO !! brb
Karbowiak Superior Mass 68	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:36:00 - [48] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Cyno Kidd wrote: I understand eve-kill has hardware problems. It's something about 8.000 $ afaik. Eve-kill looks great and helps us all a lot, obviously. Why don't CCP help Eve-kill to get the site going ? Not my business how they wanna do it. We will be happy, CCP should be happy, Eve-kill happy ! Everybody wins ! It's a small amount of money for a company like CCP so I don't think it's a big deal for them. They should invest or help related Eve programs that help us everyday. Dotlan, killboards ( big ones like eve-kill or battleclinic ), EveMon, etc. Maybe I miss facts and they do help so I may just talk bullshite right now. If anyone can clear things for me, I'll be thankful. o/ Eve-Kill is a 3rd party service. Eve-Kill has paying customers. CCP doesn't "Have to", they can if they want , if they don't want I don't really see where's the problem. I'm one paying customer for CCP, so when my computer is dead CCP should give me one. And I want it NAO !! Actually, we have customers who pay in isk, but that doesn't exactly help us pay our bills :P The isk payment part is only there to satisfy CCP, and to not make users rage over banners on their boards. If it was upto me, the isk part would go away
NickyYo StarHug 225	Posted - 2012.10.05 11:20:00 - [49] - Quote Karbowiak wrote: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Cyno Kidd wrote: I understand eve-kill has hardware problems. It's something about 8.000 $ afaik. Eve-kill looks great and helps us all a lot, obviously. Why don't CCP help Eve-kill to get the site going ? Not my business how they wanna do it. We will be happy, CCP should be happy, Eve-kill happy ! Everybody wins ! It's a small amount of money for a company like CCP so I don't think it's a big deal for them. They should invest or help related Eve programs that help us everyday. Dotlan, killboards ( big ones like eve-kill or battleclinic ), EveMon, etc. Maybe I miss facts and they do help so I may just talk bullshite right now. If anyone can clear things for me, I'll be thankful. o/ Eve-Kill is a 3rd party service. Eve-Kill has paying customers. CCP doesn't "Have to", they can if they want , if they don't want I don't really see where's the problem. I'm one paying customer for CCP, so when my computer is dead CCP should give me one. And I want it NAO !! Actually, we have customers who pay in isk, but that doesn't exactly help us pay our bills :P The isk payment part is only there to satisfy CCP, and to not make users rage over banners on their boards. If it was upto me, the isk part would go away If you feel like venturing into new methods for server resources, i'll help. Hell i even might dedicate some of my dedicated server resources.. As for asking CCP to help, it isn't going to happen.. If anything you are encouraging them to create their own mass public killboard system.. ..
Adoro Reikoku The Retirement Club 7	Posted - 2012.10.05 11:40:00 - [50] - Quote RAGE QU1T wrote: Proposes CCP take the DUST killboard template, tweeks it for EVE, lock a Dev in a closet for a month, and implement for TQ.End result CCP saves $8,000, the community aswel as CCP is no longer dependent on a third party that had ltm resources. A dev in a closet for a month? And they still save $8000? Most companies (in my part of the world) charge Gé¼ 100,- a hour for a developer. One developer working full time costs 4000 euro a week, so 16k a month. Current exchange rate puts $8000 at 6148 euro. Thats a loss of Gé¼9852 there. Nah they better give EVE-Kill the 8000 dollar.
NickyYo StarHug 225	Posted - 2012.10.05 12:24:00 - [51] - Quote Adoro wrote: RAGE QU1T wrote: Proposes CCP take the DUST killboard template, tweeks it for EVE, lock a Dev in a closet for a month, and implement for TQ.End result CCP saves $8,000, the community aswel as CCP is no longer dependent on a third party that had ltm resources. A dev in a closet for a month? And they still save $8000? Most companies (in my part of the world) charge Gé¼ 100,- a hour for a developer. One developer working full time costs 4000 euro a week, so 16k a month. Current exchange rate puts $8000 at 6148 euro. Thats a loss of Gé¼9852 there. Nah they better give EVE-Kill the 8000 dollar. lol, so many uneducated responses on here... wouldn't take a month at all. More like a week tops, If that.. Adoro wrote: Nah they better give EVE-Kill the 8000 dollar. Nah, CCP don't have to do crap about it, its a 3rd party board, not as if they invented the board they simply used it from the ccp dev wiki, all eve-kill do is host it.. If you lot are so angry, damanding and concered why not donate them your monies instead? I simply don't think CCP should donate their eve resources to someone hosting their killboard code.. If eve-kill want to setup a donation page to raise the funds of the community then fine.. ..
Erehwon Rorschach Air The Unthinkables 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 12:27:00 - [52] - Quote Karbowiak wrote: TriadSte wrote: Although I am totally behind keeping Eve-Kill alive :D I wonder why the need for such high end hardware to run what's basically a database? Problem is EDK is coded like **, and requires so much memory to do the table joins. We have found ways to limit it and make it much faster than default EDK, but it's still memory hungry like hell. Gallente Citizen 827473904528 wrote: Graic Gabtar wrote: Ilykbois Butt4Sex wrote:** There is another kill-board being constructed and looks to have great potential, it's in early stages but a viable option instead of just having eve-kill Take a look and see what you think. Decloaked.com My Corp has been looking for people like you. Anyways how long has that taken so far David? ...confusion... CCP didn't like my name, sad times. Anyway check the site out, it's a perfectly good alternative to eve-kill and in some ways better. Decloaked might be a fine technical example, but it's missing alot of features, and the looks aren't exactly up to par. But hey, if you want to compare Decloaked and EVE-KILL, go for it. I for one welcome the competition Same person anyway.... I wasn't going for a comparison, merely saying my opinion. In some ways eve-kill is good and on the other hand I like some of the features of Decloaked. In comparison, yes Decloaked is in early stages but looking very promising. Because your mum just couldn't say no.
Khorkrak Confetti Explosion 28	Posted - 2012.10.05 13:23:00 - [53] - Quote Wouldn't offloading the requests for the idfeed and the epic api to another lower end server that just serves these using a replica of the eve-kill database help remove some of the load on the eve-kill.net site? Developer of http://www.decloaked.com and http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykb/
Adoro Reikoku The Retirement Club 7	Posted - 2012.10.05 14:10:00 - [54] - Quote NickyYo wrote: Adoro wrote: RAGE QU1T wrote: Proposes CCP take the DUST killboard template, tweeks it for EVE, lock a Dev in a closet for a month, and implement for TQ.End result CCP saves $8,000, the community aswel as CCP is no longer dependent on a third party that had ltm resources. A dev in a closet for a month? And they still save $8000? Most companies (in my part of the world) charge Gé¼ 100,- a hour for a developer. One developer working full time costs 4000 euro a week, so 16k a month. Current exchange rate puts $8000 at 6148 euro. Thats a loss of Gé¼9852 there. Nah they better give EVE-Kill the 8000 dollar. lol, so many uneducated responses on here... wouldn't take a month at all. More like a week tops, If that.. Adoro wrote: Nah they better give EVE-Kill the 8000 dollar. Nah, CCP don't have to do crap about it, its a 3rd party board, not as if they invented the board they simply used it from the ccp dev wiki, all eve-kill do is host it.. If you lot are so angry, damanding and concered why not donate them your monies instead? I simply don't think CCP should donate their eve resources to someone hosting their killboard code.. If eve-kill want to setup a donation page to raise the funds of the community then fine.. Im not saying that CCP should give any money, just that his response about saving money is total bull + lol @ uneducated and "week tops" - we are not talking about your half assed ASP.net template application you click and drag in your favorite pirated Visual Studio instance. If CCP does it, it has to be done properly so yes that will take way longer than a week.
NickyYo StarHug 225	Posted - 2012.10.05 14:23:00 - [55] - Quote Adoro wrote: NickyYo wrote: Adoro wrote: RAGE QU1T wrote: Proposes CCP take the DUST killboard template, tweeks it for EVE, lock a Dev in a closet for a month, and implement for TQ.End result CCP saves $8,000, the community aswel as CCP is no longer dependent on a third party that had ltm resources. A dev in a closet for a month? And they still save $8000? Most companies (in my part of the world) charge Gé¼ 100,- a hour for a developer. One developer working full time costs 4000 euro a week, so 16k a month. Current exchange rate puts $8000 at 6148 euro. Thats a loss of Gé¼9852 there. Nah they better give EVE-Kill the 8000 dollar. lol, so many uneducated responses on here... wouldn't take a month at all. More like a week tops, If that.. Adoro wrote: Nah they better give EVE-Kill the 8000 dollar. Nah, CCP don't have to do crap about it, its a 3rd party board, not as if they invented the board they simply used it from the ccp dev wiki, all eve-kill do is host it.. If you lot are so angry, damanding and concered why not donate them your monies instead? I simply don't think CCP should donate their eve resources to someone hosting their killboard code.. If eve-kill want to setup a donation page to raise the funds of the community then fine.. Im not saying that CCP should give any money, just that his response about saving money is total bull + lol @ uneducated and "week tops" - we are not talking about your half assed ASP.net template application you click and drag in your favorite pirated Visual Studio instance. If CCP does it, it has to be done properly so yes that will take way longer than a week. LOL i know m8, Anyways why bother with ASP.net its dirty code in my opinion. All they got to do is take their existing PHP killboard system, cut all the **** out, retheme it and link it to a new database dump of theirs and bobs ya uncle. My idea of Eve-Kill setting their site up so people can donate their databases and interconnect it all with about 2-3 copies of killmails is best way. Cloud computing. I would even donate a database with limits on my dedicated server for this pupose. ..
Noriko Satomi Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2012.10.05 14:46:00 - [56] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: I have a better idea; http://pledgie.com/campaigns/18342 QF Awesomeness

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