My take on it has always been that if you plex sites for your ally then you earn your ally's LP for their store.

Its the farmers that are 1day olds that are the problem, just stop speed tanking plexes, make it so you have to kill the NPCs. Sure there will be a way around this but its a start and makes me wonder why it wasnt in there off the bat. Level out LP rewards for doing it a group though and maybe very small LP rewards when you kill the NPCs. 5 for a frig, 10 for a dessy, 15 cruiser, 20 bc, 30 BS. Something like that. It all will add up.

That being said, I have heard of people infiltrating plexes with recons to scram and web the plexer. They do this for the jollies, which is what PvP is supposed to be about IMHO. PvP shouldn't be about kill mails, ISK efficiency, or other game mechanic reward. PvP should be about taking someone's stuff despite their best attempts to avoid that loss. The prestige is in getting the hard or lucky kills because you were smart or brave enough to catch that prey.

Once there is some reasonable level of probability that people in low-skill combat ships can catch and kill other people in low-skill combat ships, I would expect plexing's milkshake to bring all the boys to the yard. People will go plexing looking for fights and being handsomely rewarded if none are forthcoming.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but i think Hans means if the changes already proposed go in, should diagonal plexing stay.

The BIG problem is that the laughably, retardedly broken plexing system means that FW plexes are farmed by an endless procession of unarmed Incursus alts, many of whose mains AREN'T EVEN IN MILITIA.

Obviously the Incursus needs a nerf, right?

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They are in militia just not one of the locals .. CCP still haven't managed to make the ally militias show as such in local channel.

Another argument against cross-faction plexing: It removes a major balancing tool as there is no consequence to steamrolling at home as one can merely send excess farm hands abroad to rake in the cash.
Success ought to be a double edged sword, once combat operations are completed, principal income should come from the newly acquired territories thus emphasizing defense.

That is unless the bi-annual flip of entire regions rather than a continual tug-o-war is the desired goal.

The community has been very loud and clear that we need to get back to FW being a PvP-centric feature, where players enlist for the pew, and stay because they can afford to fight, as supposed to enlisting for the isk, and fighting if they have to (which is never.)

I am ofthe oppinion that simply making the ships inside the complex destroyed is sufficient to pretty much wipe out the farming community.

Isn't that essentially what is planned? Timer stopping when NPCs are present?

Will cut down on the solo-alt farming but if payouts remain at the same levels I doubt we'll see much of a decrease as it is a simple matter of adding one DPS alt per plex, especially considering the plans for allowing all cruiser in mediums and what not .. farming will be easier (T2 ships vs. rats balanced against T1) but more expensive to start up and may (or may not) require a second account.

Worst case: We'll see a surge in bots. Currently no point in using them as an ab frig can be left largely unattended, but when it becomes the equivalent of clearing a mission room/complex we'll probably see bots taking over .. hope Screegs is ready for it
Best case: Payouts are reduced to a point where dual-boxing is not profitable enough, forcing farm hands to seek employment elsewhere.

PS: Above dependent on defensive plexing NOT getting much of anything and bleed rates changes axed .. were that to happen then all that is accomplished is the relocation of orbit alts making both front lines effectively dead as no system will change hands ever again barring a staggering undertaking by one side or another .. just the thought of chasing stab-alts around for a week per system makes me cringe.

Having to kill the NPCs mean you can't AFK with a week-old T1 frig account

Having to kill the NPCs means you can't feasibly do anything bigger than a Minor plex with a T1 frig.

The Incursus Plague is at an end.

.. CCP created LP's from plexing as a way of allowing FW participants to pay for their PVP and not go bankrupt....

They are in militia just not one of the locals .. CCP still haven't managed to make the ally militias show as such in local channel.

Another argument against cross-faction plexing: It removes a major balancing tool as there is no consequence to steamrolling at home as one can merely send excess farm hands abroad to rake in the cash.

Your tinfoil is weak. Look at the timeline and the way it was pushed through, it screams to the heavens that it was done solely to satisfy null's craving for cheap affordable bling.

Bah, if you're gonna tinfoil, go big or go home. I will match Trinkets (accurate) assessment about the reason behind LP for plexing and Veshta's tinfoil about this all being for 0.0 (really?) and raise you both with the proposition that this was all done to quickly vent isk from an overinflated economy ("OOPS! Was that the effect Inferno had? Why, what a pleasant side effect!")....

Confirming I fly a t2 rigged pilgrim with a 120M isk faction scram and loki boosts to catch unarmed slashers. It's the only practical way to get them, if you consider doing that practical. Don't know of anyone else doing it but I doubt I'm the only one.

Edit: oh yeah, back to the topic at hand. I have no problem with cross plexing/fighting. The problem is just how broken FW is in regards to WZ control, plexes and to a lesser extent missions.

Bah, if you're gonna tinfoil, go big or go home. I will match Trinkets (accurate) assessment about the reason behind LP for plexing and Veshta's tinfoil about this all being for 0.0 (really?) and raise you both with the proposition that this was all done to quickly vent isk from an overinflated economy ("OOPS! Was that the effect Inferno had? Why, what a pleasant side effect!").

The reality is that LP-for-plexing was arguably the single most common suggestion originating from within the Faction Warfare community for years and years leading up to CCP finally sitting down to overhaul the system. Everyone asked for it not only as a carrot to hang around in the plexes, but as a way to earn isk while PvPing (this was assuming of course that plexes were overhauled either first, or at the same time) so that FW pilots didnt have to take time away from pew to go run missions. Whatever nefarious scheme anyone thinks took place here, the bottom line is that CCP has given us exactly what we asked for, albeit in a wonky order that opened the door for a brief (un?)intentional "farmville" period between expansions.

Players also asked for LP from FW kills, which CCP managed to massively screw up to the point where they had to roll back the hundreds of billions that the Goons exploited of this broken game mechanic.

Exactly the same has happened with the retardedly broken plexing mechanics, with unarmed T1 farming alts (whose main's often AREN'T EVEN IN MILITIA) creaming literally TRILLIONS of Isk between them every month. From literally doing nothing aside from going semi-AFK in plexes.

As a consumer all I can say is that everything is more expensive now then at any other point in recollected history.

Personally I would like to see the link between the allied factions increased, with the ability to see your allies map and their situation, and allies chat channel would be cool to

Getting rid of diagonal plexing entirely - not just the LP rewards, but the actual ability to run diagonal plexes - would definitely force militias to concentrate on their own space, and it would close up a lot of loopholes that all sides have exploited at some point in the past. It wouldn't make all that much sense, though... it's complicated.