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Evei Shard
120
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Posted - 2012.10.03 22:29:00 -
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Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:Set CSPA charge to 1 mill.
Be FC, Laugh...
That might work, but it still depends on whether or not the targets client first receives notification of a convo request. If the client has to get the request before sending out the pre-defined fee, it would still end up producing the lag that the OP was referring to. Profit favors the prepared |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1772
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Posted - 2012.10.03 23:59:00 -
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If this mechanic is fully proven to DDOS an opposing players client (I remember log-scrolling in DAoC being used to slow people down) then dear God why are people defending it?
Is the asshattery so bad in this game that anybody could defend it?
One more reason to eschew (finally, used that word) large fleets, the basement dwelling win-at-all-costs-because-my-life-sucks neckbeards' corporations, and their 0.0 space.
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
319
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Posted - 2012.10.04 00:15:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If this mechanic is fully proven to DDOS an opposing players client (I remember log-scrolling in DAoC being used to slow people down) then dear God why are people defending it?
Is the asshattery so bad in this game that anybody could defend it?
One more reason to eschew (finally, used that word) large fleets, the basement dwelling win-at-all-costs-because-my-life-sucks neckbeards' corporations, and their 0.0 space.
so not empty-quotin' dis |
Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
821
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Posted - 2012.10.04 00:21:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:When riding into battle on my space steed I set it to automatically reject all convos. If you don't remember to do that you're asking to be spammed. Victory at any cost!
The client still receives the request, blocking it just removes the GUI. So even with blocked your client could be affected. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
339
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Posted - 2012.10.04 01:17:00 -
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The specifics of what ~individual players~ convo'd who when don't matter. The intent and effect of this organised action do. It doesn't sound fair at all. How often does it happen? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
804
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Posted - 2012.10.04 01:24:00 -
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Fairly often, although I can't say exactly, obviously. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1523
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Posted - 2012.10.04 01:47:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:When riding into battle on my space steed I set it to automatically reject all convos. If you don't remember to do that you're asking to be spammed. Victory at any cost! The client still receives the request, blocking it just removes the GUI. So even with blocked your client could be affected. Ah.
So everytime you crash or something bad happens suddenly, you need to immediately petition because someone(s) might have tried to convo spam you? Hm, sounds interesting. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
683
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Posted - 2012.10.04 06:05:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:Ok, not an exploit. Just a maneuver used by bad players who are unable to compete appropriately.
Therefore, whoever uses this technique is automatically the loser because how can you be taken seriously?
Nothing is appropriate in war, you do what you have to do to win.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
221
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Posted - 2012.10.04 06:42:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jim Era wrote:Ok, not an exploit. Just a maneuver used by bad players who are unable to compete appropriately.
Therefore, whoever uses this technique is automatically the loser because how can you be taken seriously?
Nothing is appropriate in war, you do what you have to do to win. So you're saying that Eve needs a Geneva Convention?
*Jovian Convention?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
804
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Posted - 2012.10.04 06:52:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:When riding into battle on my space steed I set it to automatically reject all convos. If you don't remember to do that you're asking to be spammed. Victory at any cost! The client still receives the request, blocking it just removes the GUI. So even with blocked your client could be affected. Ah. So everytime you crash or something bad happens suddenly, you need to immediately petition because someone(s) might have tried to convo spam you? Hm, sounds interesting. You could, but that wouldn't get you anywhere because GMs could easily see that you weren't convo spammed. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
781
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Posted - 2012.10.04 07:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:... Often in large fleets I've heard an FC tell the fleet to convo spam a certain character ...
Had that too, but simply didnt do that. Rest of the fleet convo spam should be engouth.
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
60
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Posted - 2012.10.04 07:24:00 -
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blobs ftl.
and on a more serious note, CCP needs to remove how conversations between me and people on my contacts list work. the idea of people being able to force me to open a conversation with them, no matter what my standings towards them are, results in anger filling my train of thought and I find myself almost wiping out my list of several dozen contacts(most of which are friends) completely clean. |
Josef Djugashvilis
630
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:08:00 -
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So, the miner hating, mission runner hating, hi-sec hating, carebear hating, tough guy pvpers are reduced to spamming to win a fight they are not tough enough win by actual pvp.
Quite amusing really. I took the wrong turn years ago. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
878
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:23:00 -
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When you set your client to block incoming conversation requests, the server only knows about this by knocking at your door to see if you are set to accept incoming convo requests. If the block-flag is set, the server sends a reject back to the client requesting the convo. You as the intended recipient should not even see a Chat GUI popup at this point in time. That is how it should work. Can anyone confirm if this is how it is or not ?
Given the above condition, the server takes a quick peek at your client settings for each and every convo request, so in essence, your incoming IP traffic is increased. Your client will not suffer as much compared to if the GUI actually popped-up for each inbound request. If the GUI does pop-up, that will no doubt cause a much heavier load on your client.
I would suggest to the CCP DEV to set a simple flag for the client. You should be able to set this on or off. Almost the same as setting the block characters setting, but not quite. Here's the logic flow of it :-
IF ClientA is in a fleet, prevent any outgoingchat requests from ClientA if any or all of the following conditions are true :-
- intended recipient is not in your Fleet . - intended recipient is not in your Corp. - intended recipient is not in your Alliance. - intended recipient is at war with you. - CCP should give everyone the OPTION of disabling LOCAL whenever the Client wishes. Flooding local with traffic is also quite a problem.
Other than that, set your CSPA charges to 100 Million ISK to make them pay if they want to play the ingame DoS game by mail-flooding you if they are unable to chatflood you. If CSPA cannot be set to 100 Million, then CCP should probably make the change to allow this.
Just a thought.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1381
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:27:00 -
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Omg, you guys started another thread? lol
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
220
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:29:00 -
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Sounds like ECM to me. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:33:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Omg, you guys started another thread? lol Is there another thread? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:58:00 -
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Anyone else think it is funny that OP seems butthurt over the fact that he can just tick the auto reject invitations and it has eluded him so far? Please tell me you are using a Mac because then it would all make sense why you are crying about this. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:59:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think it is funny that OP seems butthurt over the fact that he can just tick the auto reject invitations and it has eluded him so far? Please tell me you are using a Mac because then it would all make sense why you are crying about this. I think it's even funnier you can't read. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think it is funny that OP seems butthurt over the fact that he can just tick the auto reject invitations and it has eluded him so far? Please tell me you are using a Mac because then it would all make sense why you are crying about this. I think it's even funnier you can't read.
I think it is even funnier that you are in RAZOR alliance and you make a whiny post.
/wrist much? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:03:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think it is funny that OP seems butthurt over the fact that he can just tick the auto reject invitations and it has eluded him so far? Please tell me you are using a Mac because then it would all make sense why you are crying about this. I think it's even funnier you can't read. I think it is even funnier that you are in RAZOR alliance and you make a whiny post. /wrist much? I can't do your reading for you, sorry. If you're trying to make yourself look smugly superior you're going to have to actually use more than two neurons and come up with an actual response. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alpheias wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think it is funny that OP seems butthurt over the fact that he can just tick the auto reject invitations and it has eluded him so far? Please tell me you are using a Mac because then it would all make sense why you are crying about this. I think it's even funnier you can't read. I think it is even funnier that you are in RAZOR alliance and you make a whiny post. /wrist much? I can't do your reading for you, sorry. If you're trying to make yourself look smugly superior you're going to have to actually use more than two neurons and come up with an actual response.
You sir are simply a genius at comedy! You are the Mozart of comedy.
I look forward to read more and perhaps one day hear when you speak! I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
809
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:15:00 -
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Sarcasm nonwithstanding, what exactly are you doing in this thread? You clearly misread my original post, so now you're just trying to distract from that fact in an attempt to keep yourself from looking foolish.
Are you really justifying a DDoS as a legitimate gameplay tactic? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sarcasm nonwithstanding, what exactly are you doing in this thread? You clearly misread my original post, so now you're just trying to distract from that fact in an attempt to keep yourself from looking foolish.
Are you really justifying a DDoS as a legitimate gameplay tactic? That's what this comes down to.
Yeah I know Goons do it a lot. We do it a lot. That doesn't make it right. It needs to stop.
I am not justifying anything. I am asking you why it is so difficult for you to tick that auto reject in the settings menu and you avoid the question by saying that I am intellectually inferior to you.
And whiny posts like yours attracts me like blood and guts in the water attracts sharks. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:30:00 -
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You are going to have to prove that convo spamming actually crashes a client. I've been convo spammed by somewhere in the ball park of 50 people and once I setup autoreject it was smooth sailing. Didn't get any lag from tons of convo requests, just the normal UI jitters it always gets.
If it were to be the case then it would be an exploit same as 500 people dropping 500 cans to lag out a system is an exploit.
But I have a feeling someone did something dumb and is blaming it on convo spam or a client crash. I know I blame my dumb mistakes on lag all the time. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
809
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:31:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sarcasm nonwithstanding, what exactly are you doing in this thread? You clearly misread my original post, so now you're just trying to distract from that fact in an attempt to keep yourself from looking foolish.
Are you really justifying a DDoS as a legitimate gameplay tactic? That's what this comes down to.
Yeah I know Goons do it a lot. We do it a lot. That doesn't make it right. It needs to stop. I am not justifying anything. I am asking you why it is so difficult for you to tick that auto reject in the settings menu and you avoid the question by saying that I am intellectually inferior to you. And whiny posts like yours attracts me like blood and guts in the water attracts sharks. I didn't avoid the question. It was already answered before you ever posted here. In the very first post. Ticking the auto-reject does not prevent the client from receiving the request, it only removes the GUI and automatically rejects the request. There's still traffic generated which is what causes the lag. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
808
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alpheias wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sarcasm nonwithstanding, what exactly are you doing in this thread? You clearly misread my original post, so now you're just trying to distract from that fact in an attempt to keep yourself from looking foolish.
Are you really justifying a DDoS as a legitimate gameplay tactic? That's what this comes down to.
Yeah I know Goons do it a lot. We do it a lot. That doesn't make it right. It needs to stop. I am not justifying anything. I am asking you why it is so difficult for you to tick that auto reject in the settings menu and you avoid the question by saying that I am intellectually inferior to you. And whiny posts like yours attracts me like blood and guts in the water attracts sharks. I didn't avoid the question. It was already answered before you ever posted here. In the very first post. Ticking the auto-reject does not prevent the client from receiving the request, it only removes the GUI and automatically rejects the request. There's still traffic generated which is what causes the lag.
If your internet is so bad that you get disconnected from mere requests (that still gets denied) to the client, you need to throw out that modem and come join us in the modern era of technology.
My 0.2 isk I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
343
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:41:00 -
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Because the people intentionally trying to lag you out are completely without fault am I right? |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
62
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:45:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Sounds like ECM to me. because the i-Win button had to be in the form of a button. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
809
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:48:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:If your internet is so bad that you get disconnected from mere requests (that still gets denied) to the client, you need to throw out that modem and come join us in the modern era of technology.
My 0.2 isk This is kind of presumptuous, given that we're not exactly sure of the nature of the problem (client or network lag). I can't speak to any setups either, seeing as this has in fact never happened to me. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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