thanks for the terrible off-topic implicit racism NPC forum posting alt

Ok, not an exploit.
Just a maneuver used by bad players who are unable to compete appropriately.

Therefore, whoever uses this technique is automatically the loser because how can you be taken seriously?

lol

Why are you waiting till now to make this thread when your own main FC has been telling you guys to convo bomb Elo Knight for over a month now, maybe two. Why now bring it up? Why didn't you make this thread a long time ago?

Also everyone else needs to please note that the battle where Razor lost 19 carriers iirc and a CSAA was in fact lost due to terrible placement of the carriers and the fact that they were only able to be cap stable for about two minutes before capping out, thus unable to rep. Anyone can go to the kill boards, plug in the fits they used on EFT and see in cold hard truth, they were terribly fit.

Ignoring the fact the CFC have been using this tactic for a while now, ignoring the fact being convo bombed has not been proven to disconnect a players client,

ignoring the fact the reason their carriers were obliterated because they were not cap stable and ignoring the fact checking a simple box stops convo bombing dead in its tracks...

All I know is I find the motivation by the OP and his buddies for these threads to be driven solely because they made several mistakes that cost them to lose a carrier fleet several support fleets and a baby titan.

Trying to blame all that on convo bombing hoping their enemies are banned and all their ships and titan are replaced is asinine.

Actually, not so in real wars.

America, in any war they have fought since WWII, have refained from using maximum force even at the cost of losing a war, Vietnam for instance.

Hi there,

We've had some internal discussion about this and spoken to the GM team.

If you feel that people are trying to affect the performance or stability of your client, then you are always able to petition it and the GM team will investigate and deal with it appropriately.

Thread has been cleaned up now.

Thanks and fly safe.

OOC, if you experience lag and your client crashes in a fleet fight, does this indicate you should always suspect convo bombing and report it to the GM's?

Because the truth is it almost always happens during tidi, where there will be a lot of DC's and lag due to fleet fighting anyway.

I'm just wondering if there are any indications, if players have convo requests automatically set to be automatically blocked, that might clue a player in?

Maybe the block should be server-side?

If you're completely unimportant, chances are you weren't being convo bombed.

But if you were, say, FC, anchor, on-grid booster, logi anchor, or a triage carrier, the possibility is somewhat higher.

Blocking conversation requests server-side would also take care of this problem.

Hi,

Speaking as a player and in no way officially, I would say it's pretty obvious to know if you're convo -bombed because ... you know ... all the conversation requests that appear ?

Then again, it's not ever happened to me - I may just not be important enough

As I've said, if you suspect foul play then the GMs say it's ok to petition them!

Thanks and fly safe.

Hi Gustav,

Not intentionally; I don't have many people blocked anyway.

This is why it's best to take it to the GMs though - they can see the server logs and would know explicitly what has happened.

Again, speaking just as a player, here the rules are quite specific, with regards the Terms of use.

In particular point 16:
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

If you suspect blocked people are breaching that ruling, then again the GMs are the people who will know for sure.

So if everyone is blocked, how would you ever suspect such an attack?

Scenario:

You're in a fleet of capital ships, which comes upon an enemy fleet. You notice that whenever one of your capitals gets primaried, he disconnects from the game. You hear in TS/Mumble that they were convo spammed. Suddenly this happens to the next person who gets primaried, and the next. Everybody sets their client to auto-reject conversation requests, but the disconnects still happen.

That's one scenario where you could reasonably suspect such an attack.

Boat is gonna **** blood. lol

Edge cases. If it's an actionable item for GMs now, every single dc'd capsuleer is going to be peitioning this and I am shocked that everyone in this conversation doesn't intuitively know this.

If there were some clear indicator, then maybe it would make sense to have it be an actionable offense. But since the option is "leave yourself vulnerable" or "prevent yourself from being aware of it" the options are really lose/lose for players.

That means any reasonable scenario will be petitioned, whether it happened or not.

Okay? I'd rather he stop doing it too, but it's not as if he'd listen to me.


At the moment we're not faced with any better alternative, are we?
Unless you're maintaining that DoS attacks are legitimate gameplay.

DoS attacks inolve repetitive pings.

No, DoS attacks can take several forms. That's merely one form. They can also be done with single packets. There was a router exploit a while back whereby a specific string of text beginning with "DCC SEND" appearing anywhere in a TCP string on port 6667 (the port commonly used by IRC clients) would cause an input validation error, causing that person's router to crash.

And without a way to detect it, this is a can of worms.

Well you've mentioned the alternatives as being either leaving yourself vulnerable or having no way of knowing.

But if convo bombing worked on someone who was rejecting conversation requests automatically (which it would, since the traffic is still there), you're vulnerable no matter which you do. So there's really no point in auto-rejecting chat requests. So you'll know when you're being convo-bombed, the result is the same either way, except now you have more reason to believe you should petition.

And without a way to detect it, this is a can of worms.

Given that you're also a part of the CFC, I will assume that you're aware of the existence of spies.

FA defending exploits? Not surprised.