Am a bit concerned over the 15 minute NPC flag. Eve likes its random server drops and losing a 2 billion isk ship over it would not be fun at all. At least now if dropped we know are ships are going to go to warp.

Yea after my initial OH SH!T reaction, I am looking forward to testing with a more open mind.

The only ship I'm still skeptical will be my ishtar. The ability to drop sentries and then run away a bit to speed tank will likely end up with more dead sentries.

Your ship will still warp (if not scrambled) to a 1 mil k safe like it does now, the only difference is it will now take 15 mins to disappear rather than 1 min. If scrambled it wouldn't warp away now either, its just it will vannish after 15 min instead of 1 so you will be a bit more likley to die. Just always make sure you kill scramming rats first, which everyone should do anyway.

Why not just put a shield RR on your ships and rep the sentry that is being shot?

lol, so there I am whoring away to my hearts content and I lose connection..lets say a power cut or a telecomms issue, something I have no control over, so according to you my carrier/sc is now scannable for 15mins and there's nothing I can do about it.

First time that happens to me I'll be bye bye EVE, sounds like a really stupid idea. In fact, that stupid I must have got it wrong.

Ok before everyone else gets in a tizzy, it was said by soundwave at last weekend's vegas event that the 15min NPC timer was a typo and it will be remaining at 60sec.

For who plexes and rats in low secs and null sec this change is very very bad: if you lose connection or reds jumps in you cannot leave the game for any reason for 15 mins or they scan you down and you r dead.
No more: a few more npcs then dinner!

They really need to put people that ninja salvage in Suspect mode as well (allows aggression from the victim).
I think it should drop the timers down to 10 or 5 min though myself. /shrug.

~Z

Not only that, but if I'm reading FoxFour's posts even vaguely correctly you'll actually have more control over agro than now. I wouldn't be surprised at all that putting a single RR on your drones guarantees rats will only shoot the ship. Which, of course, is perfect for sentries.

Btw is it just me or have rats already been shooting drones a lot more lately? Yesterday I had aggro on the entire room in a few L4s and my drones were still getting eaten...did they sneak the new AI already onto TQ to prove a point or is there some weird bug going on?

If the salvagers take from the wrecks they should flag. Simply salvaging a wreck with a salvager should not flag nor should it allow aggression. You don't own a wreck, you own the contents of a wreck. You also already have the added bonus of owning the ability to tractor the wreck.

Timers are good at 15m

Actually, no. You shot it, you put the work (and sometimes risk) into killing it, you own it. Being able to walk up and take the salvage from someone with no recourse is a crock. They would get concorded themselves for even trying to stop you, which is not right.

Just my view on it of course, but thats the way I see it.

A fun fix also would be to put increased aggro on salvaging while npc's are still alive. Would at least force them to tank up or support their ship.

~Z

i'm curious about the aggro mechanic changes more than anything. if you have ever flown a drake in C1-C3, you know what a pain it is to keep your drones alive. if mission rat AI adapts this behavior, gallente gonna have a bad time.
frankly, i am already considering buying 10000 T1 drones and just abandoning them in each mission room like kittens on the freeway.

lol, so there I am whoring away to my hearts content and I lose connection..lets say a power cut or a telecomms issue, something I have no control over, so according to you my carrier/sc is now scannable for 15mins and there's nothing I can do about it.

First time that happens to me I'll be bye bye EVE, sounds like a really stupid idea. In fact, that stupid I must have got it wrong.

How about you not rat in a capital like an idiot?

lol, so there I am whoring away to my hearts content and I lose connection..lets say a power cut or a telecomms issue, something I have no control over, so according to you my carrier/sc is now scannable for 15mins and there's nothing I can do about it.

First time that happens to me I'll be bye bye EVE, sounds like a really stupid idea. In fact, that stupid I must have got it wrong.

[*snip*

Oh just before someone says it yes the risk is for mission running but it takes a lot more skill to do efficiently than ninja salvaging. The only thing required to ninja salvage is a few scanning skills. THey don't need to train any of the core skills, gunnery/ missile skills and tanking skills that mission runners need.

Although I haven't tested it myself, I have received reports that NPC log off timer is still 15 minutes on Duality. Can someone confirm/deny?

Just IMO it would be pointless to make salvaging the same thing as stealing because there is no point in shooting at someone that becomes flashy. That's an old trap and a fast way to lose your mission ship.

I do like the idea to make it where someone can't just pop in your mission with an untanked frigate and loot/ salvage while the mission runner tanks the aggro. Currently there is zero risk and lots of reward for a ninja looter/ salvager.

Oh just before someone says it yes the risk is for mission running but it takes a lot more skill to do efficiently than ninja salvaging. The only thing required to ninja salvage is a few scanning skills. THey don't need to train any of the core skills, gunnery/ missile skills and tanking skills that mission runners need.