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RAGE QU1T Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.10.05 03:10:00 - [1] - Quote Bring back the old days of PvP, back before third party killboards, No T.A.R.P for EVE-KILL, let it go down in flames so we get more people PvPing because they dont have to worry about K/D ratios.
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 1032	Posted - 2012.10.05 03:16:00 - [2] - Quote The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one. Dual Pane idea: Click! CCP Please Implement
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 826	Posted - 2012.10.05 03:19:00 - [3] - Quote No because that will just leave Battleclinic as the only major KB provider, and Battleclinic KB is terrible.
James 315 Experimental Fun Times Corp 2895	Posted - 2012.10.05 03:24:00 - [4] - Quote Time to step it up, Battleclinic. This is your chance, don't blow it! -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½ The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4991	Posted - 2012.10.05 04:11:00 - [5] - Quote Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. please leave
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 688	Posted - 2012.10.05 04:14:00 - [6] - Quote RAGE QU1T wrote: so we get more people PvPing because they dont have to worry about K/D ratios. This is not why people don't PvP. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 589	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:11:00 - [7] - Quote I love Eve forums. They said Eve-kill was #1. So I looked up BC vs EveKill on google, BC is like 8x as popular. I like Evekill TBH, but fanboiz gonna fanboi. I hpoe they get back up and running. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha
Tarn Kugisa Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 158	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:12:00 - [8] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: RAGE QU1T wrote: so we get more people PvPing because they dont have to worry about K/D ratios. This is not why people don't PvP. I don't pvp because I spend too much time replacing non-pvp ships dem ratting geddons are expensive man but tackling at times is damn good fun I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE
Terminal Insanity The Filthy Ones 661	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:14:00 - [9] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: I love Eve forums. They said Eve-kill was #1. So I looked up BC vs EveKill on google, BC is like 8x as popular. I like Evekill TBH, but fanboiz gonna fanboi. I hpoe they get back up and running. thats because 8x more people visit it to view the crappy loadouts section. The real pvp'ers use eve-kill to post mails. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Antihrist Pripravnik Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:20:00 - [10] - Quote RAGE QU1T wrote: Bring back the old days of PvP, back before third party killboards, No T.A.R.P for EVE-KILL, let it go down in flames so we get more people PvPing because they dont have to worry about K/D ratios. There's griefwatch, battleclinic and I'm building a custom CMS solution as an alternative to EDK. You're out of luck. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic

Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2483	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:23:00 - [11] - Quote Andski wrote: Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. Don't be willfully naive, you're better than that Andski. Yes, it is plain moronic and straight up embarrassing to take them seriously, but a startling number of EVE players do. That's why it is so fun to mess with their K/Ds. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
ACE McFACE 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 832	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:18:00 - [12] - Quote Whats T.A.R.P? INB4 someone tells me its a killboard "7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar What s/he (probobly he) meant: "7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar
Alice Saki 8829	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:20:00 - [13] - Quote Eve-Kill! BC Sucks. My Killboard has a Awesome Picture :D Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
Reuqh Dew Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:47:00 - [14] - Quote Alice Saki wrote: Eve-Kill! BC Sucks. My Killboard has a Awesome Picture :D Why did you change your avatar and hid that pretty face? Your new photographer should be biomassed and fed to amarrians. To topic: Doesn't matter if Eve-kill dies, there will be killboards as long as there's killmails. It's sad that many take PvP very serious because of K/D ratios, but that's the way it is. Alter egos are serious business in games, right?
Alice Saki 8835	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:49:00 - [15] - Quote Killmails are Pretty. Reuqh Dew wrote: Why did you change your avatar and hid that pretty face? Your new photographer should be biomassed and fed to amarrians. 2am... I wasn't Sober ^_^ Seem like a good idea at the time :D Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
Tear Miner Republic University Minmatar Republic 144	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:10:00 - [16] - Quote Zagdul wrote: The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one. You know CCP made linkable kill reports, right? Just sayin'.
Jose Black Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:40:00 - [17] - Quote Zagdul wrote: The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? [..] Maybe it's just me but I was thinking people's tears were about the kids that need to boost their ego with killboard statistics instead of doing meaningful fights and having fun in the process itself.
Marcus Harikari Guitar Players of EVE 96	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:45:00 - [18] - Quote Tear Miner wrote: Zagdul wrote: The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one. You know CCP made linkable kill reports, right? Just sayin'. how???
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 850	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:48:00 - [19] - Quote I take kill-mails seriously. Come at me bro. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:51:00 - [20] - Quote Marcus Harikari wrote: Tear Miner wrote: Zagdul wrote: The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one. You know CCP made linkable kill reports, right? Just sayin'. how??? You don't know that? Stick to playing the guitar.

James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 850	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:55:00 - [21] - Quote Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Marcus Harikari wrote: Tear Miner wrote: Zagdul wrote: The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one. You know CCP made linkable kill reports, right? Just sayin'. how??? You don't know that? Stick to playing the guitar. I'm not even sure he really logs into this game. He seems generally clueless in each of his posts about the most basic stuff. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 54	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:05:00 - [22] - Quote Zagdul wrote: The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one. Tear harvesting is performed over LOCAL as they emorage about being ganked/can-flipped or whatever else your pvp-style is. Posting 3rd party killmail info on a forum is not tear harvesting, it's epeen stroking (complete with added kleenex). CCP provide you with a free non 3rd party killmail, that you can link over local or corp chat ..... why would you need anything else.
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 832	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:08:00 - [23] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: CCP provide you with a free non 3rd party killmail, that you can link over local or corp chat ..... why would you need anything else. Because then you can't stroke your epeen by linking your 3rd party KB to a 3rd party forum. Also you can look through recruitment section and see that many still think Eff. matters.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 850	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:11:00 - [24] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: why would you need anything else. Intel, tracking progress/efficiency, and keeping historical records. Just to name a few. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 11	Posted - 2012.10.05 11:47:00 - [25] - Quote I've never been a fan of kill mails or kill boards, to me they encourage all the worst pvp behaviours.
Ryhss Android Gang Stealth Syndicate 19	Posted - 2012.10.05 12:30:00 - [26] - Quote Andski wrote: Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. This
Christine Peeveepeeski The Imperial Fedaykin 147	Posted - 2012.10.05 12:47:00 - [27] - Quote If my kill history listed every kill rather than just the ones I had final blow on I'd be fine without killboards.
RAGE QU1T Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.10.05 14:19:00 - [28] - Quote Andski wrote: Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks.
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 1498	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:49:00 - [29] - Quote K/D ratios are a bunch of crap anyway When you can appear on multiple killmails but only 1 lossmail, unless you always fly solo, then you are going to have a positive ratio even if you are bad (like me) TK is recruiting
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 288	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:59:00 - [30] - Quote Zagdul wrote: The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting. What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one. Well said. It's generally a bad idea to talk about people's motivations, but this topic almost demands it. It would seem that the butt hurt about killmails mainly comes from people on the recieving end of some horrible killmails. I never understood the minority of people who hate killmails, they are just a report of a kill loss, a record of an encounter. Al;so the idea that more people will pvp if there are no kill mails. Anyone who won't pvp because there might be a record of it probably shouldn't be playing EVE in the 1st place.

James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 854	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:07:00 - [31] - Quote I are so elite I dun curr bout killmails http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1786	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:18:00 - [32] - Quote I've had 5 vs 1 situations where I was the 1 and 4 of them ran off. Why? Because they could not be entirely sure they would not be the one loss in the engagement. They ran back to their POS to get a bigger ship. Certainly I would lose, but feared I could concentrate all firepower on one, such that is the mentality: so concerned they are about their K/D ratio, they presumed that, since that's how they play, that's how I play too, so I would be interested in maintaining my K/D ratio by taking one out as I get killed. But they want that K and no risk of a D - if they killed me, they were worried they might get a D with their K - and even THAT was not acceptable. The end result: no PVP. They ran off, and I didn't stick around. Pathetic.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 855	Posted - 2012.10.05 18:53:00 - [33] - Quote To clarify, caring about K/D and lossmails is dumb. Enjoying killmails is not. Especially solo killmails. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4996	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:05:00 - [34] - Quote RAGE QU1T wrote: Andski wrote: Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks. You're correct, "real alliances" like -A- are highly concerned about keeping the killboard green. You, the NPC posting alt, are right as usual because you know everything about the game as you've experienced it all in the NPC corp. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting. fofofofofo
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 589	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:56:00 - [35] - Quote Andski wrote: RAGE QU1T wrote: Andski wrote: Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks. You're correct, "real alliances" like -A- are highly concerned about keeping the killboard green. You, the NPC posting alt, are right as usual because you know everything about the game as you've experienced it all in the NPC corp. Appeal to authority logical fallacy there buddy. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1288	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:57:00 - [36] - Quote What corps need is a 75% K/D efficiency policy - No lower, and no higher than 75%. Check the ratio once a month. That way the 90%+ pros can (and must) take out the scrubbier pilots on roams in order to reduce their personal ratios, while hoping to raise that of the scrubs. Eventually everyone will learn to be good at pvp together, and then spend time dying horribly in a fire at the end of the month because it's fun. :) I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
ShiftyMcFly's Second Cousin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:07:00 - [37] - Quote Ryhss wrote: Andski wrote: Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. This Such blanket statements are nearly always self serving. The chances that everyone feels the same about this is zero. The chances that 90-99% "vast majority" feel this way are higher, but probably not as high as you want people to think.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 858	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:36:00 - [38] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Andski wrote: RAGE QU1T wrote: Andski wrote: Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all. Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks. You're correct, "real alliances" like -A- are highly concerned about keeping the killboard green. You, the NPC posting alt, are right as usual because you know everything about the game as you've experienced it all in the NPC corp. Appeal to authority logical fallacy there buddy. Pray do tell where he did that. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1787	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:08:00 - [39] - Quote Watch: this thread is going to degenerate into something that by itself will serve in favor of the argument to get rid of kill/loss mails and boards. It's already starting. While much is said about whether or not people who "get EvE" and should want the "carebear type" in this game, I can see another type we might benefit without.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 773	Posted - 2012.10.05 22:42:00 - [40] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Watch: this thread is going to degenerate into something that by itself will serve in favor of the argument to get rid of kill/loss mails and boards. It's already starting. You're too late, all started at page1 at first posts. Leave nerds to their internet awesome existence faping on their kb while you have fun playing your own game, even if it's loosing ships. Then little 12yo boy discussions to see who pisses furthest or has the bigger, leave them to little boys. brb

James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 861	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:10:00 - [41] - Quote I'm just amused that the most vocal group is the one advocating removing killboards. Protip: the only way killboards are ever going to be removed is if CCP removed kill/loss information from the API. And that's absolutely not going to happen. Even if they did, killboards would still exist, they'd simply be even more incomplete and even less trustworthy. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Brusanan Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:17:00 - [42] - Quote Removing killboards would kill Eve.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 861	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:19:00 - [43] - Quote Brusanan wrote: Removing killboards would kill Eve. If that were really the case then EVE would deserve to die. I think killboards are important, but I seriously doubt they're the primary reason for more than a handful of people to be playing this game. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
RAGE QU1T Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 25	Posted - 2012.10.05 23:20:00 - [44] - Quote Brusanan wrote: Removing killboards would kill Eve. Wrong, They weren't around in '03,04 and EVE flurished
Soon Shin Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost 155	Posted - 2012.10.06 03:13:00 - [45] - Quote I do say how they calculate kill and points is messed up. I can ***** on a supercap killmail with a single shot get 20-80 billion added to my killboard. I propose you receive the amount of isk and points proportional the amount of damage inflicted on the km.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 863	Posted - 2012.10.06 04:28:00 - [46] - Quote Soon Shin wrote: I do say how they calculate kill and points is messed up. I can ***** on a supercap killmail with a single shot get 20-80 billion added to my killboard. I propose you receive the amount of isk and points proportional the amount of damage inflicted on the km. Which completely cuts ECM out of the picture, where IMO the dictors/hictors that keep the supercap tackled are deserving of more points than anybody who did a substantial amount of DPS. In any case, I don't think very many people pay attention to points. ISK efficiency is pretty skewed, though, but it's a useful indicator in confrontations where whoever the isk efficiency is being calculated for is the only force shooting your enemies. For example ISK efficiency for a RAZOR fleet versus, say, IRC would be a pretty good indication of how we fared, but ISK efficiency for a CFC fleet versus someone else would give too high of an estimate as it takes into account kills that were done with friendly assistance but doesn't take into account friendly losses outside of the alliance. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem


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