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soap man
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Posted - 2005.03.13 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Draximus Prime No.
You need to goto empire? Use an alt.
read the original post again
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soap man
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Posted - 2005.03.13 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Reash A low sec status is the punishment for been a pirate, there isnt much else to punish you so i dont see why that should be removed alwell 
- Anti pirates
- Sentry guns
- Sec status will still be low, it just lets them recover more
- Bounties
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soap man
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Posted - 2005.03.13 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Trishy Electra Edited by: Trishy Electra on 13/03/2005 11:43:59
Originally by: Gift pirates only ruin other peoples gaming experience, they dont deserve a "fun gaming experience" themselves
allow me to say sir...you are an idiot a moron and a noob.
without pirates there is no game... you carebears mine and build all day long.
now as far as i know you guys bmine and build to sell stuff so that you could become isk lovin rich bastards.
now imagine eve without pirates and no way to get your ship and you precious modules blown up. how much fun would eve be then? you would be mining and building but you would be selling anything...thus not gaining any isk..0thus not becomming one of those isk lovin rich bastards.
why you ask?
well simply BECOZ THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE BECOZ THERE AINT NO PIRATES TO BLOW YOU UP! :>
just my 2 isk
now ontopic i say no. there are loads of easy ways to gain sec rating. as far as i know we blow people up so we have to be punished. i got my sec rating from -10.0 to -1.6 in a week.
not all of us can devote that much time to a game.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.03.13 12:10:00 -
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Nope, I'm not too lazy to spend a few days ratting in 0.0 to get my sec back up. ------------------------------------------
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Dr MOo
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Posted - 2005.03.13 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz Nope, I'm not too lazy to spend a few days ratting in 0.0 to get my sec back up.
your alliance is in 0.0. Its harder for empire pirates who are not in an alliance. Personally i wouldn't get the time for that even if i did have 0.0 access.
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soap man
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Posted - 2005.03.13 12:30:00 -
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getting sec back up makes EVE a grind, like everquest etc.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.03.13 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz Nope, I'm not too lazy to spend a few days ratting in 0.0 to get my sec back up.
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thats nearly griefing
I did it for 2 month, and well I havent played since it Wanna fly with me?
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.13 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dr MOo
your alliance is in 0.0. Its harder for empire pirates who are not in an alliance. Personally i wouldn't get the time for that even if i did have 0.0 access.
'Empire Pirates'??? No... stop... my sides hurt...
Those must be 'rats who want all the 'rewards' of pirating without the 'risk' of being KOS 24 hours a day, eh?
Hmm... like I said earlier - hope some REAL pirate comes along and pods your arses...  -- ** All accounts cancelled - have fun guys ** |

Lygos
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Posted - 2005.03.13 14:29:00 -
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The game doesn't need everyone to have more positive security status. What pirates or other ne'erdowells need is more low sec infrastructure. Since npc stations are present but not much needed it becomes evident that what pirates need are market hubs. About +6 low sec hubs would do nicely, and put many gates into and out of such areas so larger groups would have a hard time dominating them.
Since pirates don't have much use for industrial counterparts in low sec space, it is also beholden that the creation of player empires demand the presence of industrial players and presence in alliances and the like as much as it calls for strict, self-righteous pvpers. A chance at profit means something to risk, something to protect and something worth attacking. Win-win if done right.
Either that or just implement an inverted concord and an evil yulai. Even if you can't get rid of alts, there would be a lot fewer of them flying around.
This way people can be more inclined to attack as much as they want rather than limit themselves to 1 attack per x number of days as a matter of habit.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.03.13 14:37:00 -
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0.1 sec increase per day?
You mean how it used to be?
Signed.
Oh, and give us Concord agents again.
To those people moaning at the suggestion, what is really so bad about it? Think it through.
100 days to go from -10 to 0 81 days to get back to a 1.0 system 51 days to get into a 0.5
Sounds like ample punishment for criminals. If a pirate is good for that many consecutive days, isn't that proof enough of their rehabilitation?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.03.13 15:00:00 -
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once upon the time ... :P --
2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |

Reash
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Posted - 2005.03.13 15:39:00 -
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"- Anti pirates
- Sentry guns
- Sec status will still be low, it just lets them recover more
- Bounties"
A lot of pirates still manage to maintain a pretty reasonable sec status, i dont believe this should happen, if you want to pirate you get a low sec, i dont see why you should get off easy with a constant rise.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.03.13 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gift pirates only ruin other peoples gaming experience, they dont deserve a "fun gaming experience" themselves
what u just sayd 
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Sheila Vix
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Posted - 2005.03.13 15:59:00 -
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ROFLMAO, petition for daily sec increase,   
Opp's, alt post, well it still stands, thanks for the laugh
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soap man
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Posted - 2005.03.13 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Dr MOo
your alliance is in 0.0. Its harder for empire pirates who are not in an alliance. Personally i wouldn't get the time for that even if i did have 0.0 access.
'Empire Pirates'??? No... stop... my sides hurt...
Those must be 'rats who want all the 'rewards' of pirating without the 'risk' of being KOS 24 hours a day, eh?
Hmm... like I said earlier - hope some REAL pirate comes along and pods your arses... 
Rewards of pirating? I suppose you are not experienced, but there is no profit, just lost ships and loads of anti-pirates on your ass.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.03.13 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Reikson I want 100 000 ISK every day free also. 
you poor bastard
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RougeWonder9
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Posted - 2005.03.13 17:05:00 -
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No.
"getting sec back up makes EVE a grind, like everquest etc."
Kinda like the grind innocent(if there ever was such a thing)empire folks have to go thru agian getting back whatever they lost to u.U've got the same punishment with sec,but u had the choice they didn't... my 2 cents RW9
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.13 18:50:00 -
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The whole TunDraGon crew did this hell trip to fix sec. rating to - 1.9. It¦s not fun - will never understand how people go npc-hunting and feel "fun" doing it - it¦s boring $hit! But i do not agree with "easy sec. rating repair" and daily +0.1. I even say sec. hits in 0.0 would force pirates to make their decission: be a pirate or be a navy guy. What we have right now is simply crap: guys like the TunDraGons should never been allowed to enter empire again - we podded thouasands of players...how can it be i wave to Concord ships now, hm? But i do wave to them and declaring war is an option 
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Juneau Daley
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Posted - 2005.03.13 19:06:00 -
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You (the pirate) "chose" to carry out an illegal act. Therefore you as a pirate were aware of all the implicatiobns of carry out this illegal act and agreed to that when you locked and firedupon who ever.
Therefore take your petition tare it up and stand up and take your punishment like a true pirate. If you want to break the law expext to be punished.
Crap i aint seen Bin Laden carry out anyhting illegal in a few months maybe we should take him off the most wanted list and let him buy a house in Washinton DC???
Bah big fat no, stupidest petition ever imho.  -- --
The last person alive in a war suffers the most for he has seen nothing but the deaths of the ones he loved. |

soap man
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Posted - 2005.03.13 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Juneau Daley You (the pirate) "chose" to carry out an illegal act. Therefore you as a pirate were aware of all the implicatiobns of carry out this illegal act and agreed to that when you locked and firedupon who ever.
Therefore take your petition tare it up and stand up and take your punishment like a true pirate. If you want to break the law expext to be punished.
Crap i aint seen Bin Laden carry out anyhting illegal in a few months maybe we should take him off the most wanted list and let him buy a house in Washinton DC???
Bah big fat no, stupidest petition ever imho. 
Its illegal, but its what i find fun in this game. The decision you are asking me to make is whether to have fun or not. See what i mean? Unlike others, i don't get thrills from mining.
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.03.13 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Trishy Electra Edited by: Trishy Electra on 13/03/2005 11:43:59
Originally by: Gift pirates only ruin other peoples gaming experience, they dont deserve a "fun gaming experience" themselves
allow me to say sir...you are an idiot a moron and a noob.
aye
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Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2005.03.13 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Torquemada on 13/03/2005 19:56:28
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Dr MOo
your alliance is in 0.0. Its harder for empire pirates who are not in an alliance. Personally i wouldn't get the time for that even if i did have 0.0 access.
'Empire Pirates'??? No... stop... my sides hurt...
Those must be 'rats who want all the 'rewards' of pirating without the 'risk' of being KOS 24 hours a day, eh?
Hmm... like I said earlier - hope some REAL pirate comes along and pods your arses... 
Fair point there, however im -9.9 sec, and utterly kos to everyone aroudn me with no sentry gun assistance, going off your remarks about wheinging pirates who want a normal sec, what exactly do i have they dont? as an advantage, i mean, wheres my 'Reward' you mention.(as an empire only -9.9 insta kos pirate, with no customers to actually ransom/tackle) what rewards do we get for throwing our sec/safety away?
A Rack of miner 2's or basic cargo expanders? I fail to see much in the way of reward vs risk for a pirate trade.
And no im not in an alliance, nor do i seek one, and i do not have access to 0.0 or a massive garden of battleships to chain for weeks.
I got no problem with the bad stuff my pirating brings etc, im just always amazed some idiots actually want to make life harder when it's already over the top in difficulty as a job/trade.
UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide!
Peace My Brothers... |

SaorAlba
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Posted - 2005.03.13 20:11:00 -
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Podding is an active game choice. Automaticly raising would be to easy for you lot. It would be a good idea to make mining a security raising activity, Yarr 
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.13 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Torquemada
I got no problem with the bad stuff my pirating brings etc, im just always amazed some idiots actually want to make life harder when it's already over the top in difficulty as a job/trade.
I don't want to make things harder for you - I just think the system is fine the way it is.
The whole concept of 'empire piracy' needing help is laughable. The Empire is supposed to be harder on Piracy.
I'm not anti-pirate, neither is our alliance. We're anti pilots-who-shoot-at-us. If you don't attack any SF members, we don't attack you. The pirate Corps we have at -10 like it that way. We don't claim space, we do claim the freedom to bloody well fly in it though. :)
If we were a pirate corps then we'd accept the game mechanics - I just expect 'real' pirates to do the same. -- ** All accounts cancelled - have fun guys ** |

Beringe
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Posted - 2005.03.13 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Beringe on 13/03/2005 21:21:58 1. NPC your sec rating up, you lazy bastard.
2. If you're hopelessly criminal (-9.9 or whatever), perhaps you should start pirating in 0.0?
3. *laughs and points*
EDIT: Don't pod indiscriminantly when you're pirating in empire. And don't tell me you can't pirate in 0.4 and lower with a low sec rating. Tanking sentries/sniping, anyone? ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
"No, it's none of your business." |

Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2005.03.13 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe Edited by: Beringe on 13/03/2005 21:21:58 1. NPC your sec rating up, you lazy bastard.
2. If you're hopelessly criminal (-9.9 or whatever), perhaps you should start pirating in 0.0?
3. *laughs and points*
EDIT: Don't pod indiscriminantly when you're pirating in empire. And don't tell me you can't pirate in 0.4 and lower with a low sec rating. Tanking sentries/sniping, anyone?
No such thing as pirating in 0.0, its just blob/fleet combat or ganking the odd player with nothing of worth.
Real pirating takes place in empire.
UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide!
Peace My Brothers... |

Zell
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Posted - 2005.03.13 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Zell on 13/03/2005 23:19:18 Edited by: Zell on 13/03/2005 23:17:25
Originally by: soap man
Originally by: Juneau Daley You (the pirate) "chose" to carry out an illegal act. Therefore you as a pirate were aware of all the implicatiobns of carry out this illegal act and agreed to that when you locked and firedupon who ever.
Therefore take your petition tare it up and stand up and take your punishment like a true pirate. If you want to break the law expext to be punished.
Crap i aint seen Bin Laden carry out anyhting illegal in a few months maybe we should take him off the most wanted list and let him buy a house in Washinton DC???
Bah big fat no, stupidest petition ever imho. 
Its illegal, but its what i find fun in this game. The decision you are asking me to make is whether to have fun or not. See what i mean? Unlike others, i don't get thrills from mining.[/quote]
After all the game was written exclusivly with you in mind, no?

Oh, heres an afterthought....Why don't you declare war on someone, or does the thought of them shooten back offend you??
"A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.."
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Lady Varith
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Posted - 2005.03.14 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Varith on 14/03/2005 03:32:27
Originally by: Trishy Electra Edited by: Trishy Electra on 13/03/2005 11:43:59
Originally by: Gift pirates only ruin other peoples gaming experience, they dont deserve a "fun gaming experience" themselves
allow me to say sir...you are an idiot a moron and a noob.
without pirates there is no game... you carebears mine and build all day long.
now as far as i know you guys bmine and build to sell stuff so that you could become isk lovin rich bastards.
now imagine eve without pirates and no way to get your ship and you precious modules blown up. how much fun would eve be then? you would be mining and building but you would be selling anything...thus not gaining any isk..0thus not becomming one of those isk lovin rich bastards.
why you ask?
well simply BECOZ THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE BECOZ THERE AINT NO PIRATES TO BLOW YOU UP! :>
just my 2 isk
now ontopic i say no. there are loads of easy ways to gain sec rating. as far as i know we blow people up so we have to be punished. i got my sec rating from -10.0 to -1.6 in a week.
You obviously dont know much if you dont know who gift is  
i vote no for daily sec increases, pirates lower it by killing inocents, then they whine they want it back for free? if you dont have the time to play the game and EARN you sec back why do you play the way you play, if you play to kill as a lot of people do, then why not tkae your corp into 0.0 and kill without any drawbacks, you dont even need to be in an alliance just go in and cause hell!
<Edit> Oh and remember eve is a PvP game you pirates are the minority of PvP'ers (if you call ganking PvP'ing anyway) and you believe it or not are not the primary source of ship loss in the game so the economy would survive well without you guys 

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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.03.14 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eviljohn Blasting someone and podding them is an extreme crime so the punishment for that should be extreme.
When permadeath comes into EVE, podding will be an extreme crime.
Right now you lost a few million isk, plus implants. At most thats a mild mugging.
This would be nice to have, but I do understand that EVE is making the transition from PvP to PvE game, and that the more PvE that can be forced on people the better.
Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.03.14 05:58:00 -
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Can anyone say lvl 4 missions. Battleship spawns in empire, so stop whining.
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