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Sintwar
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Posted - 2005.03.13 04:27:00 -
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Realistically, how many frigs would it take to take down even one of the best BS by its self?
And what type of configs (roughly) should the frigs have?
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.03.13 04:29:00 -
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it deepndsif they have him target jammed, but really I'd say 3 - 4
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skilz
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Posted - 2005.03.13 04:49:00 -
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If 100 kestrals fire all at once, they can take out any bs.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.03.13 04:59:00 -
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realistically, you can't put a number on frigs, because a lot depends on BS setup. If you get a Raven with FOF cruise missiles, you'll have a very hard time. Smartbombs could be a problem also.
lastly, BS can just log off.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.03.13 05:31:00 -
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Depends on the intelligence of the BS pilot.
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Kashre
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Posted - 2005.03.13 06:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Sintwar
Realistically, how many frigs would it take to take down even one of the best BS by its self?
And what type of configs (roughly) should the frigs have?
As many as you need to overcome its tanking, assuming it has enough cap+recharge that it wont run out. Probably more than 10 for a ship with a good 2 L repairer tank and the cap to run it. They should be set up to be able to hit it from outside 5km at least to avoid smartbombs, outside 10km to avoid getting webbed and shot/missiled to death if you cant jam it, and at least a couple should be griffins loaded down with dampeners/racial jammers.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.03.13 07:58:00 -
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Well it all depends on the BS, its pilots, and the frigs pilot.
The normal number of frigs needed is about 5, give or take. However there are some situations, where it can be done with more or less. Depends on so many things its really hard to give you a number. But here's some examples.
I have seen (been the poor frig on the recieving end) a raven fend off 6 interceptors. Pretty much any BS's that has siege or cruise missile launchers fitted is going to require more frigs. And smart pilots at that, its very hard to kill a raven with frigs, but can and has been done.
On the other hand, using a covert opps to get a warp point I have destroyed (well he logged) a BS with just one frig. He was sniping and had heavy drones, no tank either. As heavy drones do virtually no damage to frigs it was possible to simply kill them then go to work on the battle ship. However, he logged out and I didn't have the fire power to kill him before he dissappeared. 3 or 4 frigs could have done it easily.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.03.13 08:09:00 -
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2 griffins with dampeners+MWD, 1 with a warp scrambler. rocket launchers. BS(not caldari) with less then 2 WCS..
guess who will win?
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.03.13 08:13:00 -
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You could also do a crow with a dominiation warp disruptor (uses the least cap.)
With a proper orbit and assuming the BS isn't a raven or scorp you could actually do it. Nos wouldn't get you, nor would smart bombs. And at that distance, drones would not catch you easily, at least not before you could destroy them.
However, at that point you have a frig worth more then the BS your trying to kill. And a reasonable tank could tank you indefinatly.
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Xziled
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Posted - 2005.03.13 08:42:00 -
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a crow couldn't break a decent tank alone. but yes 1 inty can kill a battleship alone, this is copmletely dependant on circumstances tho
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Candy
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Posted - 2005.03.13 08:44:00 -
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It depends completely on circumstances. For example, this kill.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.03.13 08:51:00 -
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I killed an AFK Dominix in my Crow 
Took approx. 5 mins to do it.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.03.13 10:18:00 -
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Even a skilled raven pilot will go down to 6 good frig pilots. 1-2 assault frigs might be needed to beat tanks though, and watch out for those high speed cruise missles.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.03.13 10:28:00 -
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i really doubt frigs can take out tanked raven... FOFs would kill you in no time. And AFs too, ceptors may survive that though.
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Dave10
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Posted - 2005.03.13 10:30:00 -
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killed a raven with 2 assault frigs, a ceptor and a tristan...harpy tanks for teh win
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.13 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 13/03/2005 10:48:47
It all depends on the frig pilot skills really. Frigs to pump out massive damaging dots with close range setups mind you. They use EW so it's almost certain that any target will be jammed. Which is a major crippling blow vs 1 oppenent. So that limits 1 major weakness to a frigs speed. No nos/cap draining weapons. This leads to FoF and other counter mesure defense to be used. (They do have to switch to FoF's) So that leaves only a couple of ships who can prevent this.
As I said, frigs push out damages if you got the skills. It's almost certain the BS will have setups to resist damage, so if your frig's don't use tech II guns and other tech II enhancements then it's going to take a long time and prob end up in losing. From my experience with trying to gank tanked Ravens with 7-8000 Shield HP and dam resistance mods it will take between 4-5 frigs with atleast 2-3 having tech II setups.
4-5 new skilled frigs would prob die. They lack any real exp in the first place as well lack any Tech II mods. Not that they wouldn't do good if teamed up with other Tech II frigs. But that's exp players with non-exp players. So that leaves more of an advantage. So with just new frig pilots with Tech I setups. I would say 5 - 9 with losses.
So it's all how you fly, your skills, BS skills as a pilot and the art of suprize. It can be done and done well. Solo frigs, however will stand ALMOST no chance vs any BS. It's just not possiable unless someone is new to a BS, AFK, or just plain stupid. (Soloed a Raven the other night with no FoFs. My Tech II setup got shields down quick, yet couldn't suprass the armor repairing and tanking)
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Erucyll Turon
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Posted - 2005.03.13 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
i really doubt frigs can take out tanked raven... FOFs would kill you in no time. And AFs too, ceptors may survive that though.
You watched any eve videos recently? Theres 2 of a group of 6 frigs downing ravens..
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.13 11:44:00 -
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At least 10, because you have to kill his tank in under 1 minute. About 80% of the EVE population simply logs off and will "poof" after 1 minute.
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Theresa Tusktooth
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Posted - 2005.03.13 11:51:00 -
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Haha waaga! Nice banner!!!
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StarLite
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Posted - 2005.03.13 13:24:00 -
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FOF's / drones will only at the range you can target, a couple of frigs with dampners and they won't work anymore :)
Do not underestimate the damage output of some frigs, AF's with T2 stuff can have a frightening damage output :)
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siim
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Posted - 2005.03.13 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dave10
killed a raven with 2 assault frigs, a ceptor and a tristan...harpy tanks for teh win
That Raven had rockets
cuz there is no way a AF can tank a raven
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Dave10
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Posted - 2005.03.13 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: siim
Originally by: Dave10
killed a raven with 2 assault frigs, a ceptor and a tristan...harpy tanks for teh win
That Raven had rockets
cuz there is no way a AF can tank a raven
he had a poor tank, very bad skills, and was firing kinetic cruise 
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Alithieniel Cascade
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Posted - 2005.03.13 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Alithieniel Cascade on 13/03/2005 15:36:03
Originally by: Erucyll Turon
Originally by: LUKEC
i really doubt frigs can take out tanked raven... FOFs would kill you in no time. And AFs too, ceptors may survive that though.
You watched any eve videos recently? Theres 2 of a group of 6 frigs downing ravens..
I guess u didnt see that Raven was using Torps there.
FOF Cruises will eat Frigs if jammed. And if not, well AF's go down in two torp volleys :p
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siim
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Posted - 2005.03.13 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dave10
Originally by: siim
Originally by: Dave10
killed a raven with 2 assault frigs, a ceptor and a tristan...harpy tanks for teh win
That Raven had rockets
cuz there is no way a AF can tank a raven
he had a poor tank, very bad skills, and was firing kinetic cruise
That explains it 
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