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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1365
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:40:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too. Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts. As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't. My computer is nearly 7 years old & I don't experience any of that. What I can tell you is having 2 video cards doesn't work as advertised & you're no better off than you would be with just one, unless you're running multiple screens & have the hardware setup accordingly. Littering space with hundred of GSC's is not reasonable, although this is probably something better discussed in the Features & Ideas section of the forum.
Too bad I didn't know about the video cards a year and a half ago. Oh well, I'm pretty sure that the problem is actually network-related anyway, and my city has an idiotic exclusive contract with Charter. So there you go. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
153
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:57:00 -
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As for graphics cards according to Futuremark's benchmarks, the Nvidia 670 is more than twice as fast as the 470 (which i currently use).
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
346
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Posted - 2012.10.07 09:13:00 -
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Griefing gankers? I have fond memories of ganking macks literally 10km away from a GSC called "Hulkageddon is starting now, don't mine here this month!" |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
725
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Posted - 2012.10.07 09:18:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Griefing gankers? I have fond memories of ganking macks literally 10km away from a GSC called "Hulkageddon is starting now, don't mine here this month!"
Yes, but I bet your weren't using smartbombs. The argument being put forth is miners are using GSC's to block smartbombing attacks against clusters of exhumers. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Josef Djugashvilis
647
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Posted - 2012.10.07 09:23:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.
I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.
Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?
That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.
But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:
1) lag
2) griefing gankers
Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.
This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?
I agree good sir.
The very idea of miners using SGCs to protect themseves from attack is outrageous!
Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
898
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Posted - 2012.10.07 10:39:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I agree good sir.
The very idea of miners using SGCs to protect themseves from attack is outrageous! And you don't find the concept of someone having the ability to magically and passively disable an entire weapons system without triggering any sort of aggression imbalanced?
It's extremely overpowered. The limitation needs to be removed. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Sadayiel
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
63
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Posted - 2012.10.07 10:49:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too. Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts. As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't.
So let's see of i get the whole notion.
option A : Miners put up GSC and stay near just to force the game mechanics to negate your Smartbomb device from activating since you would be atacking a neutral objetive right?
option B: Or it's just you can't SB because you hit those cans prematurely and trigger Concordokken on you??
If it's A sure it should be adressed if it's B i'd say working as intended. IF YOU HAVE LAG ISSUES report it to CCP also i provide a link about the *official* answer about deploying debris/cans/wrecks/drones/bubbles to create lag measure and purpouse |
Josef Djugashvilis
647
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I agree good sir.
The very idea of miners using SGCs to protect themseves from attack is outrageous! And you don't find the concept of someone having the ability to magically and passively disable an entire weapons system without triggering any sort of aggression imbalanced? It's extremely overpowered. The limitation needs to be removed.
Actually, what I find interesting, is that miners are damned if they do not take steps to defend themselves, and now it would seem that they are damned if they do.
Perhaps a petition to CCP explaining why you considerr it an exploit might be the way to go?
I am a great believer that any player can do whatever they wish in the game, so long as CCP do not consider it an exploit. Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
100
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Posted - 2012.10.07 14:18:00 -
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GSC's are left in ice belts as offerings to the ice that came before. Have some decency man... |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
230
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Posted - 2012.10.07 14:20:00 -
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Ok it's funny that a ganker is asking for help, we all get it now.
Seriously tho i get what he's saying.
It's not that they are preventing him from griefing. It's that they are preventing him from griefing using deliberate lag, and using deliberate lag is already against the rules.
Fair point. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
920
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Posted - 2012.10.07 14:35:00 -
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If they are using them for an intended purpose, and it sounds like they do in OP, then that is fine. NOT an exploit.
If they are not being used, the GSC's will evaporate in 30 days.
This is hardly of concern.
Next......................... |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1365
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:If they are using them for an intended purpose, and it sounds like they do in OP, then that is fine. NOT an exploit.
If they are not being used, the GSC's will evaporate in 30 days.
This is hardly of concern.
Next......................... What a relief that we have your opinion on this!
The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:16:00 -
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I'd like to see and example of this GSC shield. System link, OP?
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
735
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:17:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:I'd like to see and example of this GSC shield. System link, OP?
Try Kino Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
920
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:37:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:If they are using them for an intended purpose, and it sounds like they do in OP, then that is fine. NOT an exploit.
If they are not being used, the GSC's will evaporate in 30 days.
This is hardly of concern.
Next......................... What a relief that we have your opinion on this! The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained.
And how exactly do you KNOW they are not being used. You willing to observe a group of them 23/7 for a week ?
edit: and do you REALLY want to get trapped in the semantics, during erstwhile rule-making, of the differences between "using" and "maintaining" ? |
Tweety Bird
Tackled In Belt
26
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:53:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:What a relief that we have your opinion on this!
The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained. *you're |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
735
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:59:00 -
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Tweety Bird wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:What a relief that we have your opinion on this!
The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained. *you're "You're" is descriptive. "Your" implies ownership. "Your" was the correct usage. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Tweety Bird
Tackled In Belt
26
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:38:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Tweety Bird wrote:*you're "You're" is descriptive. "Your" implies ownership. "Your" was the correct usage. No, apostrophes are used for possession. Jake's car, you're vibrator, it's smell.
I'm have a Master's in English. Sorry, but your wrong. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1529
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:53:00 -
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Thread cleaned of off topic and troll posting. Remember that constant breaches of forum rules can and will result in warnings and/or a revocation of your forum access privileges - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
736
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:If they are using them for an intended purpose, and it sounds like they do in OP, then that is fine. NOT an exploit.
If they are not being used, the GSC's will evaporate in 30 days.
This is hardly of concern.
Next......................... What a relief that we have your opinion on this! The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained. And how exactly do you KNOW they are not being used. You willing to observe a group of them 23/7 for a week ? edit: and do you REALLY want to get trapped in the semantics, during erstwhile rule-making, of the differences between "using" and "maintaining" ?
I can answer this. I used to steal the ice from them pre-buff to annoy the ice miners even more (they apparently aren't aware of the password function), now they're always empty. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
719
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:11:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.
I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.
Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?
That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.
But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:
1) lag
2) griefing gankers
Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.
This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?
Frak grieving gankers, really you trolling here bro? Why shouldn't people defend themselves against people who are afraid to engage in PvP where they can get shot back?
About lag, you need a considerable amount of cans to create that. If you warp in and your system is not able to handle them cans, buy a Mac, Whoops! I mean, you can petition that. Then a GM will check and depending on his/her machine, if they encounter lag, the cans get removed.
Also, if you think you found an exploit you're not allowed to discuss that here on the forums but should straight away petition your find.
In short if you have a problem in game-> petition it. Rather pointless to bring it here, since we do not have any evidence nor the power to properly investigate your (un)biased claims.
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
902
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:03:00 -
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As far as causing lag, that would first have to be demonstrated. It's not really clear as to how many GSCs are involved and how many will cause unreasonable lag.
However, again, miners defending themselves is fine as long as it's not game breaking, which this is. What if GSCs also didn't allow you to activate other weapons? That would be extremely broken, wouldn't it? So why is it acceptable for smartbombs? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
920
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:52:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:
Also, if you think you found an exploit you're not allowed to discuss that here on the forums but should straight away petition your find.
Pretty much this. Not reporting a found exploit is as punishable as doing the exploit. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1366
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:55:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:
Also, if you think you found an exploit you're not allowed to discuss that here on the forums but should straight away petition your find.
Pretty much this. Not reporting a found exploit is as punishable as doing the exploit. Funny, nobody thought this was a problem in the Convo Bombing exploit thread, even after several ISD posts.
This is the discussion of whether a common practice is actually an exploit. I'm not sure that's unallowed on the forums, to be frank. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
904
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:55:00 -
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I wouldn't call it an exploit, but nevertheless its an extremely flawed mechanic.
And the convo bombing thread is discussing something that despite being extremely disruptive, harassing, and in violation of the EULA and TOS, is not considered an exploit for some unexplained reason. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
920
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:57:00 -
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I'm just saying if you TRULY believe it's an exploit it should be reported. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1366
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:58:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I'm just saying if you TRULY believe it's an exploit it should be reported. Check. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
94
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Posted - 2012.10.07 21:54:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.
I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.
Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?
That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.
But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:
1) lag
2) griefing gankers
Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.
This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?
More asteroids than cans, so whine about the roids causing lag.
/thread (again) |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
250
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Posted - 2012.10.07 21:56:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:
More asteroids than cans, so whine about the roids causing lag.
/thread (again)
Seriously. I've had really, really bad lag in ice fields that have too many Mackinaws.
Using a Mackinaw in an ice field should be an exploit too.
I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1366
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Posted - 2012.10.07 22:00:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.
I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.
Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?
That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.
But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:
1) lag
2) griefing gankers
Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.
This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it? More asteroids than cans, so whine about the roids causing lag. /thread (again) The validity of your comparison is actually debatable. But I'm not going to count all of each, so I'm willing to stipulate.
It's still a broken smartbomb shield in the guise of ancillary mining gear. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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