2) griefing gankers

Absolutely agree on can clean up, around gates and belts regardless of motive.

But I suspect many people have moved on and simply forgot they are there. No penalty to owning them.

Maybe a recurring anchoring fee?


And sorry mate. "Griefing gankers" is so lulz....

Are they actually causing lag? If so you can make a case there about an exploit. If not you're out of luck.

But don't pretend these two issues are on the same scale, because they're not.

They expire after 30 days if no one has used them.

If they're there... some one has used them in the last 30 days.

There is already a mechanic to handle this.

/thread.

Well yeah, people access them so they don't lose their free lag and smartbomb shield. Duh!

Look, the ore bay on modern exhumers outclasses these things by around 8-10x. There is literally no reason for there to be so many of them.

Yet, there they are.

It's an exploit.

How can we possibly be expected to believe they are using these things for storage now?

It's utterly laughable.

How can we possibly be expected to believe they are using these things for storage now?

It's utterly laughable.

Becuase they would rather move 3 ice at a time through a secure can, over and over (every 2 minutes or so, actually, if the hauler camps the can) ... than use the risk of a jet can ...

because, hey, jet cans can be stolen and agressed....

risk vs reward ... which is also 'effort vs reward' ... risk-avoidance requires more effort to avoid the ... risky bits. it's mining. ice. why should there be a mandatory risky bit?

they are rewarded by avoiding the risk of jet cans. yes, it's a pain in the butt, but so is getting your ice stolen, or some dumb agression, or .. etc etc.

this is a secure method of transftering to a hauler... without a jet can.

1) The logs show nothing.

2) Griefing gankers? Reaching, at best.

*their

Therefore, as a ganker, I am as subject to griefing as any other profession.

This is an utterly prejudiced and off-topic remark

No you're not. You create not only your own grief but that of others.


No it isn't. It's fair and reasonable. You suggested GSC's were "griefing gankers".

And prejudice. Pfffttt... It's like a dealer blaming the cops if he gets his stash stolen. You strike me as the kind that would call them to lodge a complaint.

Besides, settle down. I'm still trying to figure out how a GSC can grief a ganker. Maybe CCP should make them tank or take it away or something - I don't know anymore.

Because real life analogies also cause lag in Eve Online and prevent specific module activation in a convenient "shield" configuration.

Solution.
NPC Corp members can't anchor containers.

Hey presto, all solved. Now if they annoy you, you can go and wardec them to blow them up. If you don't want to wardec them, obviously they weren't really causing you any issues anyway.

What happens if a corp with GSCs anchored disbands?

What happens if a corp with GSCs anchored disbands?

Because real life analogies also cause lag in Eve Online and prevent specific module activation in a convenient "shield" configuration.

Using the term "griefing gankers" basically killed any chance this thread had. I can agree that GSC's stopping smartbombs from being used is a stupid mechanic & miners are taking advantage of this, but you need to put the argument forth in a more reasonable way.

Present the argument in a better manner & I'll happily support you. The cans don't create lag unless you happen to be playing EVE on a 100mhz pentium 1 released in 1996 with a 14.4kbps modem. You can always have someone in a 100mn MWD SFI bump them away before you attack too.

Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts.

As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't.

My computer is nearly 7 years old & I don't experience any of that. What I can tell you is having 2 video cards doesn't work as advertised & you're no better off than you would be with just one, unless you're running multiple screens & have the hardware setup accordingly.

Littering space with hundred of GSC's is not reasonable, although this is probably something better discussed in the Features & Ideas section of the forum.

Griefing gankers? I have fond memories of ganking macks literally 10km away from a GSC called "Hulkageddon is starting now, don't mine here this month!"

In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.

I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.

Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?

That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.

But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:

1) lag

2) griefing gankers

Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.

This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?

I agree good sir.

The very idea of miners using SGCs to protect themseves from attack is outrageous!

Regarding lag, I think that's highly debatable. I've got a Core i7 3GHz (8 cores) and 12GB of ram, dual nvidia 380 video cards and the cans cause my client to nearly stop responding prior to loading grid. That's because there are literally hundreds of cans in these ice belts.

As for having extra people bump miners out of their shield before smartbombing them, that seems totally reasonable. However, littering space with over a hundred GSCs doesn't.

And you don't find the concept of someone having the ability to magically and passively disable an entire weapons system without triggering any sort of aggression imbalanced?

It's extremely overpowered. The limitation needs to be removed.

If they are using them for an intended purpose, and it sounds like they do in OP, then that is fine. NOT an exploit.

If they are not being used, the GSC's will evaporate in 30 days.

This is hardly of concern.

Next.........................

I'd like to see and example of this GSC shield. System link, OP?

What a relief that we have your opinion on this!

The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained.

What a relief that we have your opinion on this!

The OP indicates clearly that the vast majority of the GSCs in this "shield" are not being used, only maintained.

*you're

"You're" is descriptive.
"Your" implies ownership.
"Your" was the correct usage.

And how exactly do you KNOW they are not being used. You willing to observe a group of them 23/7 for a week ?

edit: and do you REALLY want to get trapped in the semantics, during erstwhile rule-making, of the differences between "using" and "maintaining" ?

In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.

I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.

Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?

That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.

But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:

1) lag

2) griefing gankers

Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.

This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?

Also, if you think you found an exploit you're not allowed to discuss that here on the forums but should straight away petition your find.

Pretty much this. Not reporting a found exploit is as punishable as doing the exploit.

I'm just saying if you TRULY believe it's an exploit it should be reported.

In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.

I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.

Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?

That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.

But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:

1) lag

2) griefing gankers

Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.

This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?

More asteroids than cans, so whine about the roids causing lag.

/thread (again)

More asteroids than cans, so whine about the roids causing lag.

/thread (again)

Went to Spacemonkey alliance space yesterday. One gate had 54 anchored bubbles on the gate. So, petition or not?

Went to Spacemonkey alliance space yesterday. One gate had 54 anchored bubbles on the gate. So, petition or not?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom

It's about trolls trolling people who troll them, I don't see how it ISN'T relevant.

Just to clear up your miscue:

It's about a troller being superior when those he trolled attempt to troll him back.

Which, if you assume this thread is a troll (hint: it's not), but if it were, you just did.

Thank you for your kind words.

In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.

I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.

Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?

That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.

But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:

1) lag

2) griefing gankers

Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.

This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?

Ironically.... 6 months ago... this would have been labeled as a carebear whine thread if say... he were to notice hundreds of drones spammed around a gate where a gang is conveniently located....

Any less relevant?

Look in the mirror much?

So based on the comparison you've made you seem to agree that miners are using an exploit to prevent gankers from playing their game.

Thank you for your support. In a mirror the reflection is only reversed on the vertical axis, not the horizontal one.

So based on the comparison you've made you seem to agree that miners are using an exploit to prevent gankers from playing their game.

Thank you for your support. In a mirror the reflection is only reversed on the vertical axis, not the horizontal one.

I remember back in 2008-ish when you went to an asteroid belt in anything 0.7 or lower, they belts would be covered in GSC's. I had my own series of GSC's, usually 3-5 per belt spread out over several neighboring systems. Would go down the line and fill them up, then go back down the line and haul them... back then, no one really complained that there were 100 cans anchored in 1 belt

I went to Kino and checked out the GSC at every belt. In only one ice belt did I find a large number of GSC's - each end ICE roid had a "cloud" of GSC's achored around them. Perfect setup for low skill corp mining operations. OP should petition - so CCP can laugh directly in his face.

Only anomalous anchoring I found were 4 small SC's with a lame protection scam claiming to be run by James 315

Perhaps OP is James 315 alt?

In another thread about convo bombing it was reiterated that we aren't allowed to do anything that induces inordinate lag on players' clients. We were reminded that it's a violation of the EULA to jet cans in excess around jump gates because it induces lag. This is all true and good.

I ask you, have you warped to an ice belt lately? They are literally teeming with these (now obsolete!) GSCs. Strangely, orcas and haulers are always present, taking ore from jetcans. Rare is the occasion a hauler approaches and accesses a GSC.

Yet there they are. What are they there for? For storage? Unlikely, given their obsolescence?

That many cans around a gate would get some investigation. That many cans around a gate could be said to lag clients.

But we ignore it and let ice miners have smartbomb blockers that serve no other conceivable purpose anymore besides:

1) lag

2) griefing gankers

Players in Eve should not be able to exploit old and outdated game mechanics to achieve invulnerability to an entire class of weapon, especially one with the restrictions already observed by the smartbomb.

This is clearly an exploit, and should be treated as such. Why isn't it?

If they're there for more than 30 days someone is actively using/checking them. No problem here.

Other than these two problems, we agree: They have no business blocking smartbombs and they aren't being used for storage anymore while anchored in space.

They continue to be useful in the cargo hold of an Industrial ship.

Griefing suicide gankers is perfectly fine. Put forth some effort into bumping the target away from the GSCs. Funny how the suicide gankers are always sperging at people who haul expensive stuff and autopilot for being lazy and they got what they deserve? We if gankers are to lazy to bump the target away from the cans so they can just warp in and spam smartbombs with little ISK risk and effort, then they got what they deserved; no kill mails.

So you think that deployable, anchorable storage modules should disable an entire class of weapon system?

Do you have any real justification for that?

[edit]

No really, that's great. Let's come out with new storage modules to disable each of the weapon systems.

Also, you know perfectly well the reason to use smartbombs is multiple targets. Huddling behind a totally illogical and ancillary smartbomb shield shouldn't be a rewarded strategy in Eve Online.

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Get out of high sec.

You can't activate smartbombs in proximity to GSCs in low-sec or null-sec either. Sorry, I checked.

See my revised post.

Anyhow, smartbombs are functioning perfectly.

They are only temporarily 'outdated'. CCP will most likely be nerfing ore cargo bays a bit due to 45 min afk mining. Also there is players who do store in deep safes ammo and supplies for when they are deep behind enemy lines doing some thrills ware fare. You really want to make that obsolete due to lazy suicide gankers?

Also of you want to remove GSCs due to them nullifying smartbombs, the. I want ECM removed due to it nullifying a players presence on the battle field.

BECAUSE OF GIANT SECURE CANS!