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Posted - 2005.03.15 02:40:00 -
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This was brought up in another galnet communicae but I'll post it here so all can see the humanity and kindness of the Amarrian race. The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves outlines basic "standards" of slave treatment. These guidelines, put forth by a committee of prominent slave owners decades ago have been passed down to our current generation. Emperors Hedrion and Doriam II both decreed that slaves be treated humanely. Thus the SPCS guidelines were born. I'll summarize them below.
1. Each slave should have at minimum the equivalent of 1.0 m3 cargo space as living quarters. This includes a sleeping mat or bed with padding of at least 1/4" composed of soft material.
2. Each slave should have at least four hours per day of rest or sleep.
3. Each slave should have at least four hours per day of scripture study time and a desk and chair to utilize for studies.
4. Each slave should have at least one weekly bathing period. As most Minmatar avoid bathing this may seem cruel but it is necessary for hygiene. A special chemical is available to hose down the herds from the SPCS that is biodegradable and non-poisonous to the livestock.
5. Each slave should have at least two meals per day consisting of nutrient supplimented formula. As long as the required nutrient levels are met the food can be of any form.
6. Each slave should when possible be kept with its family as a slave is more inclined to work hard when happy around its family.
7. Each slave should work a minimum of 12 hours per day or more in service of the Empire.
8. No slave should be deprived of Vitoc when needed nor be allowed to fall into intentional withdrawl.
9. No slave should be punished without just cause and punishment should not be permanently harmful physically to the slave as this would decrease its value to the Empire.
10. No slave should be killed without just cause or determination of heinous crime by a tribunal of Amarrian masters or judges.
These simple guidelines should be followed to ensure humane treatment of slaves. A humanely treated slave is more likely to find enlightenment and happiness in service to God and Empire.
Archbishop
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Dau Imperius
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Posted - 2005.03.15 05:16:00 -
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Ok I take back anything good I may have been prepared to say in defense of the SPCS.
Four hours of sleep? A minimumn of 12 hours of work?
Have you tried sleeping four hours and working 12 every day? Most likely not. You wouldn't survive mentally.
The brain requires at least a minimumn of six hours, with eight being better to maintain stability. Ten hours, prefrably eight if you're a kind person who sees slaves as just unpaid labor, should be their maximumn workload.
The rest I could see as viable save for the food, and the Vitoc.
I think I may lobby for getting the Imperial Chamberlin to evict your SPCA, and get a better system in place.
I can see why many prefer to be desitute but free. At least they can live some semblance of a life. With your current regs they would die after only a month or so, from mental dysfuntions and over-taxation physically...maybe even from malnutrition.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.03.15 05:26:00 -
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Before the Minmatar post their usual rhetoric on the evil of slaving, just think this - do you really NEED to? Dya think anything you can say will make the slavers seem any worse than they do already after Archbishops post? Could you?
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Posted - 2005.03.15 07:05:00 -
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Edited by: Babs Johnson on 15/03/2005 07:17:41
 Originally by: Archbishop
. . . the humanity and kindness of the Amarrian race.
The pitiful fact is that you actually believe these ridiculous things you say.
Men and women of good conscience, however, know better. They see your practices for the abominations that they are.
Sometimes the Emperor just has to be told that he has no clothes.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.15 07:17:00 -
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Someone without free will can not determine if they want free will. Someone who has lost free will therefore does not need free will, as by the basis that free will is only wanted by those with free will, and someone who does not have it can not want it.
Though semantecally, ethically, and objectively questionable; A slave with no free will is better a slave than free but still without choice.
A person who willingly becomes a slave, even through manipulation, still had decided on their own accord to become a slave.
A person who is forced into slavery and eventually fall clockwork of their captor will be likely broken of free will.
Any slave who still has free will would best express it in attempt to escape on their own, for imposing free will on one who doesn't have it or doesn't want it is disruptive to the natural result of previous events, and therefor further destructive to a person.
This leads to the basis that slaves should be left enslaved, in it's better to prevent anyone from becoming enslaved unwillingly in the future.
And these SPCS guidelines look Just Fine to me, but a cubic meter seems a little small for a person, especially if you have a desk and chair in it witch them.
For the Vitoc, the guide does not insist its use, it actually implies that further use should be carried RESPONSIBLY.
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Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2005.03.15 08:00:00 -
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The "humanity and kindness of the Amarrian race" might be a tad more believable if these guidelines were a) actually kind and humane and, more to the point, b) made law by the Emperor.
As it is, there is nothing to compel slaver filth to follow them. It's like being caught by Concord with a cargo full of crash and being told "You are a naughty pilot. Please don't do that again."
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:32:00 -
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*blinks*
But, why would CONCORD let someone with that much crash go, anyways?
Aphoxema didn't see the point, but her niavaty had no boundaries, yet.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 15/03/2005 12:20:16
Originally by: Archbishop
1. Each slave should have at minimum the equivalent of 1.0 m3 cargo space as living quarters. This includes a sleeping mat or bed with padding of at least 1/4" composed of soft material.
2. Each slave should have at least four hours per day of rest or sleep.
So worse conditions than many a criminal sentenced to hard labour in the Caldari State? Risible. If this is 'humane' treatment what in space qualfies as inhumane?
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3. Each slave should have at least four hours per day of scripture study time and a desk and chair to utilize for studies.
I'm inclined to think this qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment.
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4. Each slave should have at least one weekly bathing period. As most Minmatar avoid bathing this may seem cruel but it is necessary for hygiene. A special chemical is available to hose down the herds from the SPCS that is biodegradable and non-poisonous to the livestock.
No doubt this 'special chemical' is laced with mind-altering drugs designed to induce pliability and suppress the will to freedom.
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7. Each slave should work a minimum of 12 hours per day or more in service of the Empire.
8. No slave should be deprived of Vitoc when needed nor be allowed to fall into intentional withdrawl.
These enforced working hours are simply appalling and the use of Vitoc exposes the SPCS as utterly disgraceful and shabby. To advocate the administration of the vile toxin Vitoc as a plank of your 'humane' policy is almost comic were it not so immoral.
Those 'guidelines' I have not commented on are merely standard measures aimed at the preservation of property, not the well-being of thinking individuals.
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves? Society for Propaganda and Crass Spin is more like it.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:27:00 -
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Thank you for the information regarding the SPCS. I admit in the past I thought about the SPCS as an organisation which demands to many rights for the slaves. This posting made my apprehensions vanish into thin air. The most important thing is that this are 'only' guidelines but not laws (at least outside the CVA). I found your guidelines to be a reasonable ground for a fruitful discussion.
I want to make a few comments on several points of your guidelines. It's not my intention to 'force' you to change your mind. Your slaves are your property and you can do whatever you want with your slaves.
- "1. Each slave should have at minimum the equivalent of 1.0 m3 cargo space as living quarters. This includes a sleeping mat or bed with padding of at least 1/4" composed of soft material."
I have problems to reduce space for slaves to 1 m¦. My slaves take at least 3 m¦ and I think it's the minimum. In most cases my slaves got even (a lot) more than 3 m¦. I am surprised to see my standards even more slave friendly than yours in the very first point. But I am using a nice trick to achieve this. In the very most cases I let 2 slaves share one living quarter: night and day shift.
- "2. Each slave should have at least four hours per day of rest or sleep."
I dont have a problem with this guideline. Most critics come from people who (intentional) ignore the words 'at least'.
- "3. Each slave should have at least four hours per day of scripture study time and a desk and chair to utilize for studies."
Nothing is wrong with this guideline although I follow a completly different path. More explanations later...
- "4. Each slave should have at least one weekly bathing period. ..."
Once again the words 'at least'... Because of my practice to let slaves share one quarter I am forced to have a much higher hygienic standards. There are several other good reasons to have high hygienic standards.
- 5, 6, 7 I pretty much agree 100% with this statements. Only difference is that my slaves neither work for your Empire nor for my King/kingdom but for me alone. This might change depending on circumstances.
- "8. No slave should be deprived of Vitoc when needed nor be allowed to fall into intentional withdrawl."
A basic guideline which can be disabled for exceptions depending on circumstances. I am pretty sure you will stop vitoc supply if your slaves rebel, too.
- "9. No slave should be punished without just cause and punishment should not be permanently harmful physically to the slave as this would decrease its value to the Empire."
It's somehow an unwritten standard in my slave camps, too. But it's unwritten because of a good reason. This demands a better explanation that I will give later.
- "10. No slave should be killed without just cause or determination of heinous crime by a tribunal of Amarrian masters or judges."
My answer to this point is similar to my answer regarding point 9.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ardor on 15/03/2005 16:28:30
Now I want to tell you a bit of my way of slavery. I do not have written guidelines because I dislike the approach of regulating slavery from institutions by guidelines/laws. I fear guidelines could change to laws. I fear such laws could give rights for slaves. I very much dislike the idea of a slave taking a lawyer. I do believe each holder has a right to treat his property the way he wants to. The practice of slavery worked for thousends of years without laws or written guidelines because of good reasons.
- a healthy slave can work harder
I dont think there is a need to discuss. I assume you agree this statement is correct. I assume all holders have an interest to have healthy slaves. Therefore I believe such issues like food, place to sleep, amount of sleep, hygienics etc do not need regulations. Guidelines are not wrong but finally I assume a holder who can not keep his slaves healthy will loose a lot of his property and finally in the worst case will loose his position as a holder. Its an economical fact.
- circumstances dictate actions
Most laws and guidelines fail under different circumstances. There is a huge difference between the slaves. There is a huge difference of locations etc. I will make 2 simple examples to explain.
Imagine you have a guideline/law that a slave must have 2 liter of water a day. This might work in most cases but slaves working in the desert for sure need more.
Different slaves need different treatment. I assume most holders have valuable slaves they can trust. This slaves earned the trust over generations. The knowledge of the scriptures often outclasses the knowledge of many low class Amarrians. This slaves are close to reach freedom and often do work which must be done by trustworthy persons. I am sure no holder will send such valuable slaves to places like Inis-Ilix I.
On the other hands there are slaves fresh captured by slave hunters inside rebel territory. I assume no holder will give such a wild and uncivilized slave a position inside his house near his children. It all depends on circumstances. No other but the holder himself knows better about this circumstances. No other but the holder himself can make the best decisions depending on this circumstances. If he fails to make the right decisions he will loose his own position over time as we learned above.
Most holder families have a long tradition with slavery. They have learned from childhood how to treat their slaves. They do not need advice from outside. Most of all I believe that that forced regulation from the outside will change everything to the bad because the lack of knowledge about the individuel circumstances.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ardor on 15/03/2005 16:30:11
I would like to explain why I have a different opinion (depending on circumstances) on a few statements of your guidelines.
- "3. Each slave should have at least four hours per day of scripture study time and a desk and chair to utilize for studies."
I have to agree that slaves need our education. They need our help to reach enlightment. The scriptures tell us "The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man."
But there are circumstances where my slaves don't really get this education. I see the the path to enlightment as a long path that takes at least several generations. Once again I will explain with an example.
The wild minmatar creature that just was captured in the jungle of some remote planet doesn't speak amarrian. I have learned the only intention of such slaves is to escape or to kill me or their guards. My experience tells me its not fruitful to invest huge amounts of time/isk into such slaves. I do not invest into translators and for sure neither me nor the guards will learn some primitive minmatar dialect just to waste time. I let such slaves work hard and hope they will breed children. Minmatar creatures cant control their sexuality and breed like rabbits even under the worst circumstances. This slaves and their children give a steady supply for such places like Inis Ilix.
This slaves dont have access to the scriptures because they are not ready. I've tried it but they burned them. Of course I dont give them a desk or a chair. What I do is to spread the word of God by speakers placed all over the place. The wild creature doesnt understand this words but many of their children learn. This children get the chance to better their position over time in such places. The road to enlightment is a long and hard road that takes several generations. The very first thing my slaves learn in the process to enlightment is that its an honour to have a copy of the scriptures. They dont burn them but defend their scriptures with their lives.
They learn that following the word of God will help them to integrate into our society. They not only learn the words of the scriptures by heart. They really learn to understand the scriptures. Its a difficult situation for us holders to tell the difference between slaves that are good actors and learned the words by heart but dont really have found enlightment from slaves that really have found enlightment. I am very carefully before I make a judgement.
Over several generations the cildren of this first wild creature have a chance to become one of those trustworthy slaves in my house and finally reach freedom as an adapted and valuable citizen. Until now I havent had a single Minmatar/Gallente/Caldari slave who reached that final step. I suppose my standards are higher than those standards of other holders. But there are many Ni-Kunni and Amarr slaves who reached that last step to freedom. For example the grandparents of Sister Wheya still were slaves of my father. The Ni-Kunni Sister Wheya is now working for me as a free employee and even representing my corporation in most cases. |
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:31:00 -
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- "9. No slave should be punished without just cause and punishment should not be permanently harmful physically to the slave as this would decrease its value to the Empire."
- "10. No slave should be killed without just cause or determination of heinous crime by a tribunal of Amarrian masters or judges."
This 2 points always are a matter of discussion. For me its only one one point and one discussion and thats the discussion about punishment. Punishment to death is only one of the more harmful punishments. Once again I assume we can agree on the statement 'a healthy slave can work harder'. Holders who punish and kill their slaves because of sadistic intentions will loose their own property therefore will remove themself from the status of a holder.
I said before it always depends on the circumstances. I disagree with your statement "punishment should not be permanently harmful physically to the slave as this would decrease its value to the Empire."
Lets ignore the discussion about Empire and kingdom. We both have similar interests. I disagree with your statement because it doesnt take the grand schema into account. Of course your argument that a permanantly harmed slave is less valuable is valid. On the other hand this way ignores the effect of such a punishment to other slaves. I found it very useful to make an example. Other slaves learn not to play with me a lot faster when they know they can get a hard punishment. The result might be one slave less valuable but hundreds of slaves more valuable. Please take this argument into account.
In almost all cases punishment is our reaction to a misbehaviour of our slaves. My experience tells me most primitive creatures like the minmatar have a very short attention span. I say when a slave shows misbehaviour he needs punishment immediatly. Otherwise he (and the slaves around him) will not understand and learn. To call a tribunal takes to much time. In the end the slave is the property of the holder.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:42:00 -
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Is this topic basically some kind of gloating "look how appallingly inhuman we can be as the ubermensch caste of Amarri society?" style showing off thing?
Do Amarri holders gain status in their society by boasting about how much they mistreat their slaves or something?
I'm confused.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 15/03/2005 17:57:44
....or they just enjoy fishing for commentary to give them an excuse to proselytize and 'rebuke the wretched.'
Evangelism or ecclesiastical ************?
Who really, truly knows? 
Edit: ************ = solitary self relief 
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Is this topic basically some kind of gloating "look how appallingly inhuman we can be as the ubermensch caste of Amarri society?" style showing off thing?
Do Amarri holders gain status in their society by boasting about how much they mistreat their slaves or something?
I'm confused.
We Amarr are Gods chosen people. We are better. _bermensch is not the word I am using but it describes pretty good what I am.
I think you completly misunderstood the intentions of the SPCS or me. If you have read our postings you would have seen that the well being of our slaves is one of our primary goals.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:59:00 -
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Some do Jasmine...
That is why the SPCS was created to recommend basic minimum levels of treatment.
The SPCS standards should not be seen as the definitive word on the treatment of slaves. Holders are free to treat their slaves as they wish after all... and many can and do treat their slaves in line with or better than the SPCS guidelines.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ardor
We Amarr are Gods chosen people. We are better. _bermensch is not the word I am using but it describes pretty good what I am.
I disagree.
I disrespectfully suggest you are just people who decided it'd be just grand to tell everyone: God chose us
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Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aphoxema G
*blinks*
But, why would CONCORD let someone with that much crash go, anyways?
Aphoxema didn't see the point, but her niavaty had no boundaries, yet.
My point is that the Amarrians are forever banging on about how well they treat their slaves, yet the SPCS - an organisation that could enforce the minimal (and boy, are they ever minimal) standards for keeping slaves - is utterly toothless. If a slaver doesn't want to follow their guidelines he doesn't have to.
As for the Concord comparison, if the customs officials drew up a list of illegal goods but didn't bother enforcing their laws, would the trafficking of illegal goods stop? I've got a month's wage that says it wouldn't!
Similarly, because the SPCS has no right to inspect and shut down slavers who fail to meet SPCS guidelines, you can bet that they're pretty much ignored.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:34:00 -
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It's a start Lorna...
The more we spread the SPCS message the better...
That is why the Mamet Holder's donation of 500 top quality slaves is so wonderful. The money raised will the SPCS expand its communications and influence exponentially.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lorna Doone
Similarly, because the SPCS has no right to inspect and shut down slavers who fail to meet SPCS guidelines, you can bet that they're pretty much ignored.
This is completly wrong. As a Dark Amarr I don't have to follow SPCS guidelines even if they would be somehow official inside the Empire. Now after I have learned that this guidelines are really nothing else but guidelines I am willing to exchange ideas with my brothers from the Empire. Like Hardin said its a start.
I am not really surprised that your sort dislikes when we treat our slaves good because this takes away most of your arguments for terrorist activity.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Some do Jasmine...
That is why the SPCS was created to recommend basic minimum levels of treatment.
The SPCS standards should not be seen as the definitive word on the treatment of slaves. Holders are free to treat their slaves as they wish after all... and many can and do treat their slaves in line with or better than the SPCS guidelines.
Yes, and how many times have we seen the blatent disreguard of those minimal levels? Just have a look through the old communications on this summit and the outcome? a blind eye turned by the very people who are the supposed upholders of these rules.
Don't make me laugh, i wonder if i should start taking Amarrian slaves as i belive i'm one of MY gods chosen.. i have it written down some where, to prove it, now where did i last have... ahhh yes, and i quote.
"Thus the Gods of the matari looked upon the fledgling God, who claimed to be the true God of Amarr and lo' did they laugh at him in his girl dress, and after much feasting the proclaimed that all Matari, should have at least two Amarrians in their girly robes. But the Amarrian God was crafty, and embarissed as he realised he shouldn't have let his mum dress him that morning and his wrath was terrible and the children of Matar suffered but the Matari Gods waited and their chance happend when the people of Jove first met the Amarrians...."
Well you how the rest goes, the Amarrians got their, rears handed to them lost control over the Matari and are slowly sinking into their own corruption.
But anyway, so if i follow these guidlines, and treat my Amarrian slaves in accordence of the SPCS i will be ok?
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:57:00 -
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*thinks*
Who's the SPCS anyways?
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
7. Each slave should work a minimum of 12 hours per day or more in service of the Empire.
I disagree with this from a purely logistical view point. I doubt any holders have the problem of working their slaves too lightly, thus why have a rule that sets a minimum limit? The past has shown that overwork is far more a problem than underwork, but if a rule restricting maximum work load is undesireable, perhaps the minimum limit can be removed to prevent having slaves do busy work in order to meet the guidelines.
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 16/03/2005 01:36:48
I must admit I have seen some interesting suggestions here as well as some constructive comments (laced with the absurd like "free the slaves").
As SPCS Director I am always willing to listen to new suggestions and recommendations and to update the recommended Slave Care Guidelines (SCG's) as needed.
Lord Ardor raised some excellent points and thus I am ordering my staff to launch an immediate investigation into the following:
1. Increasing the minimum slave living area to 3.0 m3 from 1.0 m3. His suggestion we "hot rack" the slaves to share quarters on different shifts has merit.
2. Allowing the intentional denial of Vitoc in rebelling slaves. This oversight was unintended and must be corrected.
3. Decreasing the recommended work shift minimum from 12 to 10 hours long as decided by the Slave Holder himself when the slaves have earned such by demonstration of positive behavior and study.
4. Slave capital punishment shall be the sole responsibilty of the Slave Holder but should be reserved for the most heinous crimes. Eliminating the need for a tribunal of holders but recommending the executing Slave Holder file a report on the exeuction with the SPCS to confirm the execution was done via humane method.
If any Slave Holders out there have further suggestions please post them here. The SPCS is an ever evolving organization dedicated to building a stronger Amarr via a happy enlightened slave population.
Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:36:00 -
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"But there are circumstances where my slaves don't really get this education. I see the the path to enlightment as a long path that takes at least several generations. "
Ardor I agree with your assessment. When I use the phrase "scripture study time" this means by one of several methods.
1. Actual live study with scriptures at a desk and chair.
2. Subliminal study during the slaves sleep period via loud speaker.
3. Overt study via loud speaker while the slave is working.
I'm also pleased to announce our SPCS Scientists are nearing a new type of neuro implant. This breakthrough, if successful, will allow a Slave Holder to "dial in" the slave to scriptures. The neuro device is implanted into the beasts primitive cerebral cortex and through methods I don't fully understand injects scripture "patterns" into the primitive mind. While some experiments with the device had led to unfortunate results recent trials have proved more promising.
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Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Lord Ardor raised some excellent points and thus I am ordering my staff to launch an immediate investigation into the following:
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4. Slave capital punishment shall be the sole responsibilty of the Slave Holder but should be reserved for the most heinous crimes. Eliminating the need for a tribunal of holders but recommending the executing Slave Holder file a report on the exeuction with the SPCS to confirm the execution was done via humane method.
There's not a lot of investigation to be done here, Archbishop. It's called murder, whether it's done humanely or not.
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
I'm also pleased to announce our SPCS Scientists are nearing a new type of neuro implant. This breakthrough, if successful, will allow a Slave Holder to "dial in" the slave to scriptures. The neuro device is implanted into the beasts primitive cerebral cortex and through methods I don't fully understand injects scripture "patterns" into the primitive mind. While some experiments with the device had led to unfortunate results recent trials have proved more promising.
Archbishop
And they call us animals, by your own tounge you admit to human experimentation which is of course human abuse. But wait i forget, its the "we shall turn a blind eye." rubbish again, you claim that the SPCS is all for the wealfare of slaves, your you abuse and harm them. *spits* Your just proving that the SPCS, is just as abusive if not more abusive then many of those slavers that murderer their slaves for sport. At least when their done, my brother and sister Matari killed by their hand are free from the shackles and the force feeding of a corrupt faith.
What state are those, that have been experimented on in?
Your just a corrupt hypocrite, nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted - 2005.03.16 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 16/03/2005 03:35:09
I believe you might find Lorna, that if you look at Amarran Law... you might be found to be wrong in that statement.
I believe under Amarran Law it would be similar to killing a cow... something that not even the Gallente Ban.
Which I may point out is something the SPCS is out to limit to slaves that deserve death only, and therefor is why they ask that slavers consider what they are doing before they kill slaves and file a report of why this was done so that only necessary killings will happen.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.16 03:46:00 -
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"And they call us animals, by your own tounge you admit to human experimentation which is of course human abuse."
You mistake my words Minmatar. While we have conducted trials on some Minmatar these are beasts who were set to be executed. They were given a chance at life and salvation rather then exeuction. Thus we in fact prolonged their lives. While a few subjects suffered various psychosomatic dysfunctions most showed a massive increase in scriptural aptitude after the implantation of the device.
Given the alternative of exeuction for these out of control animals we've again shown our humanity and generosity by providing them a way to avoid execution for their crimes and receive possible enlightenment all at once.
Clearly we are kind beyond measure.
Archbishop
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Aphoxema G
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Okay okay... I have a GREAT idea. Let the slaves worship Lord Plush! Lord Plush will improve their morale and make them more greatly motivated to work for the sake of snuggly hugs!
Snuggly hugs RULE. You can trust me on that.
Even better, for the small quarters, you could instead have the floor lined with Plushy Goodness so they can't complain about the small space, cause they're sharing it with something so nice.
From my experience, carebears make better workers, just make them feel like they're getting something out of it, and you can make them do ANYTHING.
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