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Threat
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Threat on 15/03/2005 21:57:57
Some people have played longer or smarter than others and some have just gotten lucky. People that don't play as often shouldn't have as much isk as those that do. Just like in real life if you want to make money you need to earn it.
The amount of isk you have can also depend on your playstyle. PvPers don't make alot of isk, in fact they tend to lose it. Thats why some older players are isk poor. Many people also use multiple accounts to help them make isk.
As far as the uber loot and T2 the reason its expensive is because its rare. It shouldn't be an entitlement. Look at the prices on T2 BPO's. Once you have it you also need to buy the building components, rent factories and spend time (which could be spent doing more interesting things) placing orders, installing BPOs, moving materials, etc. Now on top of that people need to make the isk back that they spent. There's also a limited number of suppliers, of course the prices are going to be high.
As for uber loot the drops are rare and most people in deep 0.0 don't bother to bring it to empire. Taking a hauler full of loot through a blockade just isnt fun. Instead they use it or refine it. What does come out is rare and therefore expensive.
Real life economic factors play heavy roles in pricing (including greed and panic). If you want better stuff you need to work harder or smarter or take more risk. Keep in mind that risk has its downside and there are no do overs.
edit: to EZTargetII they have armor repairers in the game for a reason, no need to spend missions repairing battleships. Same thing with hull repairers. BS reparing costs silly isk.
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:59:00 -
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Wallet is thin but I can make ISk if I want to.
Corp assets is another story since most of my cash goes into that.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Lallante
Lev 4 agents: Collect and refine loot = 30m per hour.
0.0 NPCing, collect and refine loot = 15 - 20m per hour
0.0 Mining with 2 people = 15 - 20 mill each per hour
Whining on the board because you cant afford the best modules in the game because you are a noob = Priceless.
What is left out here is the drop rate of good items, chance of a mission rat dropping a meta item... very low.
Chance for a domination, dread... item close to 0% if not 0%.
One lucky drop in 0.0 can give up to 150-200M...
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Ricky WIlliams
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
The hoarders are the worst kind of carebear. All they're interested in is aquiring the 'next thing', hoarding ISK, and then never doing anything with it. Take comfort in the fact that they will never has as much fun playing EVE as 'normal' players, and will probably die alone and cold, disillusioned with life.
Oh, and quit it with the smilies! 
Can anyone say CALLE???
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:07:00 -
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Ricky - Calle spent a lot of isk 
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Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:08:00 -
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calle has a cap 2 bpo thats a differnent story altogther, I would still say below 500 is poor 
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:10:00 -
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I used to have 5b isk :) I was rich beyond my dreams in the short run :)
Well said amount is LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG gone down to 300m now.
I brought mostly skills and some ships i wanna fly later on with the correct toys to use on them.
I brought my corp a BPO. and got some lab slot where I am based in.
Made a small investment,
bottom line I dont regret spending my isk.
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:12:00 -
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What they need to do is make it easier to make isk at the rate the market is skyrocketing or make it harder to stay rich (i.e. tax people who have so much in their wallet and not invested in assests) that way the isk sinks disappear slowly or at least balance out.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:27:00 -
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Quote:
(i.e. tax people who have so much in their wallet and not invested in assests)
Or perhaps they should just tax poor jealous morons  
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Carebear Barney
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:32:00 -
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I'm sitting in Empire space, LMFAO at all of you guys with less than 1.0 Billion ISK, after all, I only have 3.7 Billion ISK in my personal walle
All I do is play the market trading, do occasional agent missions, and mine my carebear arse off in 0.0 at times. It doesn't take long at all to make 1.0 billion, just an average sized human brain.
This is an adult strategy game at times. My advice, stop trying to get different results by doing the exact same thing repeatedly.
I will have 4.0 billion by the end of March or early on into April.
Carebear Barney
Special Agent, Badge No. C-430-T7
CONCORD Child Protection Division
After all, who you gonna call? CONCORD of course!!!
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:45:00 -
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"omgbuhu" is the word that pops into my head when I hear people whining about being "poor". It is not at ALL difficult to earn money in EVE, the only reason you don't have any is one of three reasons:
1) you're lazy
2) you're stupid
3) you're lazy AND stupid
Thats all really.
If you don't have any money, you can't blame anyone but yourself. In the past three months I've lost at least 10 ships (half t2 or without insurance), and it's hardly made an impact. I PvP every day, and I'm still richer than most carebear miners. Not because I'm scoring uber officer loot from the people I kill, its because I'm smart about how I play.
I don't waste money needlessly by being stupid, such as jumping in on a 10 pilot gatecamp and trying to take them all on in an Armageddon. I don't sell loot at under mineral value just because I want fast isk. I don't use the best modules because I take a chance every time I undock that I'll die (gg four empire wars).
You don't need implants and uber loot to play efficiently, you just need whats in your head (my head is augmented with 9 implants, but I bought those back when they were 5m each  ).
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:51:00 -
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Righteous Fury, does that philosophy apply to real world as well? 
note how similar the distribution of wealth is in a game and in real world. Where 20% of population control 80% of all resources. And only top 1% are billionaires
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Brej Donierik
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Brej Donierik on 15/03/2005 23:13:41
The problem with the "if you're rich, you get bored, so don't get rich" theory is that being poor doesn't guarantee interest in the game. As I said in my previous post on the first page, I'm poor and I got bored. Having tons of work ahead of you, lined up in various grinds for money, for materials, for faction, for the corp, doesn't make this game all that exciting.
As far as the "I'm rich cause I'm smart" people, good for you. Congratulations. Excellent job. When you add the "and you're poor cause you're stupid" part, that's when I consider you a moron.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:43:00 -
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I am rich and i dont even know how
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Ricky WIlliams
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Ricky - Calle spent a lot of isk
I guess I didn't do a very good job of making my point more clear, sorry. What I was refering to was Calle's hoarding of items that he admits he just jerks off to in his locker.
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Ranger Whitestar
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:11:00 -
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ok so im poor, i have less than 100mil isk, and a couple of ships. but you know something i'm also one of the richest people in this game. i dont ever have to worry about needing anything like ammo, moduals or even replacement ships. because im in a corp where we all look our for eachother, none of us are really rich, but we have fun. if fact we have one big adventure, togather. and that makes us rich in opinion. its not whats in your wallet, it's who you hang with, and what you do that makes this game fun.
hell we had a corp mining bash last weekend, and wee mined for a good 12 hours. and we actually enjoyed it cos the whole corp was there. and we had chance to have a good laugh, and that was worth more to me than any cash i could of earned doing missions oe anything else instead. so get the feeling the oringinal poster is either a solo player or in a corp where nobody gives a damn or gets to know anybody else. and that is what would make you poor as far as im concerned.
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TheZapper
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:25:00 -
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All you "Poor" (<1B) people can probably take solace in the fact that:
Because all the "Fatcats" spend all their time in EVE looking to make ISK....
...They are not Rich in RL! (Rich = Money, Friends/Family, Satisfaction).
b/r,
TZ
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: TheZapper
All you "Poor" (<1B) people can probably take solace in the fact that:
Because all the "Fatcats" spend all their time in EVE looking to make ISK....
...They are not Rich in RL! (Rich = Money, Friends/Family, Satisfaction).
b/r,
TZ
Not really, I try and pvp at all times. However, I have almost stubbled into isk my self. And assuming I sold my assets (assets > isk, because of inflation) I would have an easy bill. The amount is prob closer to 2 bill if I had an clearance sale.
Making money is never hard, boreing as can be yes, but not at all diffucult.
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j0nb0y
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:38:00 -
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I was a poor bastard, always having to scrape money together and ***** myself out for new battleships. Then i get a true sansha armor rep. im ok for the moment...
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:56:00 -
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There are lots of ways to make isk.
I'm doing a lot of mining and manufacturing. Nowhere near a billionaire, but I don't bother to insure my ships anymore.
I don't feel poor.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.16 04:43:00 -
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Making the first 100m seems to take forever. I remember struggling for 500k to buy my first Probe after beta (and mining Bistot in .4 with no npc's.... God why didnt I take a week off work?). I vividly remember saving up 9m to buy a Blackbird after beta (my first Cruiser). I remember losing that ship to NPC's with scramblers back before insurance too.
It took me months to get 100m. I just wasn't any good at making money. I worked hard but didn't have a "plan". Then it came together and I stopped focusing on making money and started focusing on my idea of "fun".... building. I started investing in BPO's and building stuff, I enjoyed it, I started making money.
Reaching 1b is a milestone but it isn't "required" to have fun in Eve. Basically I view being "comfortable" as my "goal". When I can lose a ship and have a couple spares, fully insured, waiting in the hangar I'm comfortable. When I want to buy a new BPO and I can without really "thinking" about it thats comfortable. When I can go out mining for a day because I want to do something different thats comfortable.
People need to decide where their comfort zone is. Having under 1b doesn't make you poor. Being poor is a state of mind. If your getting out of Eve what you want and your having a good time your rich in your own way. Find your comfort zone and shoot for it. That should be your goal not some imaginary wallet balance. Think about what you'd do with 1b isk. Probably not much different from what you do with 100m.
Ive met month old players in Eve who have that "winner" attitude and are happy with where they are. I've also met people ingame over a year who are miserable. Take it from someone worth billions who flies around in frigates and cheap cruisers. It's not about the money at all. Its about attitude and figuring out what you want. If your really having "fun" the money will follow.
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Adam Ussein
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Posted - 2005.03.16 06:08:00 -
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With the current inflation in the markets and the value of isk going down dramatically I would actually say that if you have more than a billion in isk right now rather than investing in assets and minerals etc then you are GOING to be poor relatively soon.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.03.16 06:58:00 -
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Im a returning player (started in the end of january, but my first time in eve was june 2003), so i dont have any idea about making money in the previous patches and how easy it was (thats probably why some of u are billionaires. trillionaires anyone? ). But in just a month i've built up from almost absolutely nothing (200k SP, iteron mk2 and my unequipped imicus, and 500k isk) to a nice mediocore char that has a future and can afford to buy a battleship (my skills wont allow me to play with it yet) with some good named gear.
Did i play smart? Not really, i was enjoying the game, am i gifted? Again not really...But i've seen people who played for the same if not longer amount of time and they are evilly poor , not even being able to afford the loss of their ship.
I've tried an interesting experiment the other day, i've spent quite a sum on my imps, about 110 mil, bringing myself down to 70, and i've tried deliberately NOT to earn money and give eve a break, and now im back to 140...by doing what seems nothing.
The key to prosperity isnt earning a lot, its the wise investment that keeps your spendings to a minimum and lets you enjoy the game. And yea, i do plan to grow filthy rich and afford some uber-loot for myself another day, if eve is still around, why the hell should anyone feel guilty if they are rich?
Besides that even if you are poor there are plenty of ways to enjoy the game.
And there was this guy whining about how he makes 100k a week, considering all his repair bills...Hes got 9mil+ SP ffs, if by that time you're not at least the owner of 200-300+ mil in assets and same amount of cash and NOT knowing about such a thing as armor repair system , makes me feel sorry for the poor bloke, maybe the economic system in eve is just too much for him
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2005.03.16 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: "Title"
Below 1BILLION = POOR?"
Yes.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.03.16 08:47:00 -
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i would be just on that line, however, i dont lose very much money, and my sole prpose in the game is not to make it. I take pleasure in knowing that i could kill some of these "fatcats" without breaking a sweat 
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dutchfreak
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:04:00 -
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i dunno who it was, but one of u didnt make enuff with lvl 3 missions...
i think u prolly got the wrong lvl 3 mate
i make enuff with lvl 3's
Just loot the loot, refine that whats worth nothing (or everything if yer lazy like me)
and use the minerals to build yer own ammo.
The thing is offcourse, what do u use for your lvl 3 agent?
I use a Brutix, and workes very f*cking okay.
besides, im having fun, and i got like 13mil in my wallet
(ok i have an alt with more then that, but thats just selling, buying selling... profit upon profit)
Ah feck it, when u get used to this game, and have fun, u'll make money in no time.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 16/03/2005 09:06:55
Originally by: EzTarget II
If under 1 bil = poor then I'm in truoble, I've got about 6 mil, and I'm struggling to make cash, even running lvl 3 missions I'm finding it hard to make any money, I'm just making about 100k / week after repairs and ammo expenses...
That's bad. You can make 4mil an hour mining scordite in a BS on your own. Not terribly exciting I'll grant you but I do that for an hour sometimes two in the evenings while half watching TV and typically earns me 30mil a week. Then at the weekends when I'm in the mood for more fun activities I run agent missions or sort out buy/sell orders.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:19:00 -
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I think two ways of doing this
Earning ISK as you need it to move ahead
or earning as much as you can and going for some of the more expensive high end research and PVP
Ive made 6m in one week as a newb doing just lvel 1 and now level 2 missions - ive got enough to get through at the moment but have foudn several ways of making money quickly and if in a pinich will follow em through
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LuckyStrike
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:33:00 -
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level 4 missions are ruining the game - whining - but true
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:42:00 -
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The new logic being we should do more level 4 missions until CCP see the datafeeds and modify them ingame
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