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Steph Wing
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.10.01 01:41:00 -
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Mutie DaPig wrote:Seriously - is this really a good thing?? Who cares??
I wouldn't expect you to understand. Joining three months ago puts you right around the launch of Incarna. |

Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.01 03:05:00 -
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Like a shot of morphine when I spun my ship but a moment ago on Sisi. The new font is the absolute sex, finally I can read it on a 1920x1200 resolution without squinting or squashing my nose against the screen. It might not be pretty, but I can read it so so easily, it's fantastic. |

Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.10.01 04:26:00 -
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Videos or it didn't happen. |

Phoebus Raszamar
Valkyria Epsilon
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Posted - 2011.10.01 05:29:00 -
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I'm fairly new to this game and I've always wondered what the hype was about with ship spinning... Of course, I'd be hyped too if it was along the lines of literal evasive maneuvering (there's already a skill called Ev. Mn. and it does not do what I am visualizing; what I'm trying to get at is if the ships could actually spin sideways and up & down during flight), as I believe it would make the game more dynamic - in pvp, especially.
Although.. after reading about this thread and deciding to join the S.S. parade, I was disillusioned by what I saw on youtube.
Still, this "ship spinning" is still pretty neat.
One thing that intimidates me is not being able to understand what I should be able to understand - or at least, people telling me what I can or cannot understand. Somebody save me. |

El Puerco
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.01 05:55:00 -
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*shwing* |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.01 06:48:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Denidil wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Spaceship spinning > dead graphics cards. stop buying ATI. Fixed that for you...and really...if your VCard burned out from WiS then it was time to upgrade anyway.
True and false...
i personally run on ATI 4870x2 bought when it was on market... mistake on my part... ATI are more powerfull however only in certein enviroment up to ATI specifics ... for nitpickers ATI/AMD
If GPU burned on WiS then there could be many reasons why.. not that card needed to be changed to "newer one" but f.e. airflow in case/ too much dust on GPU fan etc. And last edit.. i guess most of the problem was for notebook owners so my or others point of upgrade, check is pretty moot.
Point is the project Incarna shouldnt made it to live without the needed testing for HW failure ... something was very wrong out there. Fail-save feature of some kind. Altho for those with OCed comps it was not an issue since we got HW monitor allways up and running ..just in case something goes very wrong..
Anyway its kind out of topic .. and been discussed to death ...
Congrats to all who cares, and for those who dont i guess you dont mind to have it back either. |

Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
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Posted - 2011.10.01 10:14:00 -
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I swear to god if when I get home I cannot spin my ship....I will find you. |

Darod Zyree
Zyree Holding
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Posted - 2011.10.01 10:41:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Videos or it didn't happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3pggOFKZXg |

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.01 10:55:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Spaceship spinning > dead graphics cards. Yep. My PC just crashes in WiS if I have a few programs open next to EVE. And last time I looked the horrible shades that make your character look like a zombie in some spots were still in place. Let them debug and smoothen the whole thing first!
Spaceship spinning > door. |

Destroperuk
DUCKWIG FLEET INC
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Posted - 2011.10.01 12:12:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Mutie DaPig wrote:Seriously - is this really a good thing?? Who cares?? No kidding, especially considering you could always just UNDOCK and spin away. Total waste of time, worse giving into something that doesn't make sense from a Product Management perspective is a bad sign in the big picture, it indicates the company doesn't have a clear design direction.
Your mum has a clear design direction. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.10.01 12:49:00 -
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Glad to see the bittervets are happy again.
Now they can go back to whining on how the only fun thing left to do in Eve is ship-spinning. |

non judgement
Evolved from the Wreck Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.01 12:49:00 -
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You guys sure are taking this bad news of "CCP taking away our beloved door" well.
I am still waiting for the forum thread "PLS GIVE US OUR DOOR BACK NOA OR I BE EVEN MORE BITTER THAN BEFORE". |

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.01 12:52:00 -
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It is truly sad that this is the thing people are the most excited about because it was something we already had but CCP took it away and gave us the pile of crap that is Incarna. |

Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
3
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:45:00 -
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If you burned up your video card with CQ, then you were probably being an idiot and playing on a laptop, only to moan about how it overheats. No ****, Sherlock...craptops weren't meant to play graphics-intensive games. The nVidia/ATI argument is moot if you're playing on a desktop.
Whining about how you blew up your video card because you were foolishly playing on a craptop when you could've bought a desktop for half the price is the same as buying a Honda and complaining that you can't go as fast as a Ferrari.
And don't say you needed a laptop because you're a college student. Students have been going to university for thousands of years without a ******* laptop. |

Destroperuk
DUCKWIG FLEET INC
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:48:00 -
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Astenion wrote:If you burned up your video card with CQ, then you were probably being an idiot and playing on a laptop, only to moan about how it overheats. No ****, Sherlock...craptops weren't meant to play graphics-intensive games. The nVidia/ATI argument is moot if you're playing on a desktop.
Whining about how you blew up your video card because you were foolishly playing on a craptop when you could've bought a desktop for half the price is the same as buying a Honda and complaining that you can't go as fast as a Ferrari.
And don't say you needed a laptop because you're a college student. Students have been going to university for thousands of years without a ******* laptop.
Wow, you sound really upset that people are buying a laptop. Are you mayhaps someone who deals in desktop computers?
Or are you maybe just unable to afford one yourself, so you want to talk down on everyone owning one, since clearly if I can't afford one it must be useless, right? |

Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
3
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:51:00 -
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Destroperuk wrote:Astenion wrote:If you burned up your video card with CQ, then you were probably being an idiot and playing on a laptop, only to moan about how it overheats. No ****, Sherlock...craptops weren't meant to play graphics-intensive games. The nVidia/ATI argument is moot if you're playing on a desktop.
Whining about how you blew up your video card because you were foolishly playing on a craptop when you could've bought a desktop for half the price is the same as buying a Honda and complaining that you can't go as fast as a Ferrari.
And don't say you needed a laptop because you're a college student. Students have been going to university for thousands of years without a ******* laptop. Wow, you sound really upset that people are buying a laptop. Are you mayhaps someone who deals in desktop computers?
Haha no, I'm just sick of all the people slagging on Incarna, saying it "blew up their computer" when they were moronically using a laptop to play a graphics-intensive video game. It's not 2003 anymore and this isn't WoW.
I have a laptop and a desktop, but I'm not ******** enough to attempt to play Eve with all its new updates on it.
These people are the Eve version of the Tea Party. |

Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.10.01 14:57:00 -
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Astenion wrote: Haha no, I'm just sick of all the people slagging on Incarna, saying it "blew up their computer" when they were moronically using a laptop to play a graphics-intensive video game. It's not 2003 anymore and this isn't WoW.
I have a laptop and a desktop, but I'm not ******** enough to attempt to play Eve with all its new updates on it.
These people are the Eve version of the Tea Party.
Or, you know, it could just be that people don't like when CCP spends the better part of a year neglecting any actual gameplay changes (especially wrt balance, which has arguably been neglected for even longer) to implement something that most people either don't care about or plain don't want, while at the same time upping the requirements to actually USE the thing they implemented, for no apparent reason. Yes, graphics intensive games are best not played on a laptop. No, CQ is NOT graphics intensive. It's one guy walking around one room, with graphics that, while decent, are in no way impressive enough to justify the computer requirements to run them (I for one LOVE the way half of my hand disappears into the back of my head every time I scratch my neck, it's like it's the 90s again, <3 nostalgia).
It's giving people problems because it's poorly optimized, not because people play games on laptops.
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Jayem See
Drama Llamas
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:11:00 -
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Jesus. The community spends a huge amount of capital bitching about the loss of functionality that removing the hanger makes.
Then they spend a huge amount of time whining about getting it back and CCP not spending time on the "real" issues.
One day somebody will post something constructive and CCP will pass out with shock.
Personally I like the changes on Sisi - my gpu is having a bit of a time with it but that is my own issue and not one that requires any input from anyone else. My PC is due some care and attention anyways. That said I would never expect to be able to play games effectively on a laptop - blame the laptop manufacterers for that tho - they have always lagged massively behind "proper" pcs.
It's nice to see CCP having the balls to change course - if they continue with it by fixing some of the gameplay issues I will be truly happy. They can't do it all at once however so I will be patient.
So tl;dr - I like it CCP - keep going and listen to the issues presented about gameplay = happy playerbase = income.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:28:00 -
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Looking forward to it hitting TQ!
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:38:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Astenion wrote: Haha no, I'm just sick of all the people slagging on Incarna, saying it "blew up their computer" when they were moronically using a laptop to play a graphics-intensive video game. It's not 2003 anymore and this isn't WoW.
I have a laptop and a desktop, but I'm not ******** enough to attempt to play Eve with all its new updates on it.
These people are the Eve version of the Tea Party.
Or, you know, it could just be that people don't like when CCP spends the better part of a year neglecting any actual gameplay changes (especially wrt balance, which has arguably been neglected for even longer) to implement something that most people either don't care about or plain don't want, while at the same time upping the requirements to actually USE the thing they implemented, for no apparent reason. Yes, graphics intensive games are best not played on a laptop. No, CQ is NOT graphics intensive. It's one guy walking around one room, with graphics that, while decent, are in no way impressive enough to justify the computer requirements to run them (I for one LOVE the way half of my hand disappears into the back of my head every time I scratch my neck, it's like it's the 90s again, <3 nostalgia). It's giving people problems because it's poorly optimized, not because people play games on laptops.
No.
Poorly optimized? Really? I have a 5 year old desktop with an nVidia GTS 450, 3 gigs of RAM and a dual core 3 gig processor and it runs flawlessly. FLAWLESSLY. Both CPU and GPU have never gone over 50 degrees Celsius with the game graphics on full blast.
It's not poorly optimized; sure, there was some code that needed improvement that gave people errors, but that's with every patch. No, the fact of the matter is that dumbasses want cutting edge graphics that will run on a ******* abacus with no problems.
Well, they can wish in one hand and sh!t in the other and see which one gets filled first. The fact that this was ever even an issue is another example that everyone who complains about Incarna's problems needs to seriously GTFO. It's one thing to complain about serious bugs and such, but slagging CCP as a whole because the players are too poor/stupid/both to upgrade the components of their hobby like EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY DOES. If you can't afford to upgrade your computer, then maybe you have much bigger problems that you're neglecting as it is.
They can all go die in a fire...they contribute absolutely nothing to this community or this game. |

Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
3
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:43:00 -
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Darn you, double post!!! *shakes fist* |

Jayem See
Drama Llamas
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:14:00 -
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U mad bro?
I agree that people should stop complaining at new code having higher requirements for hardware.
I also believe that CCP should have far higher levels of communication about their minimum specs.
It isn't hard. Companies have been at it for years.
So you are right but god-damn your delivery sucked.
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Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:15:00 -
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I miss me a good ship-spin!  |

Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:46:00 -
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Astenion wrote: No.
Poorly optimized? Really? I have a 5 year old desktop with an nVidia GTS 450, 3 gigs of RAM and a dual core 3 gig processor and it runs flawlessly. FLAWLESSLY. Both CPU and GPU have never gone over 50 degrees Celsius with the game graphics on full blast.
1) Are you trolling? The 450's only been out for a year or two, 3 ghz procesors even today are considered good, and the problem with eve has never been RAM (though as I say this I notice my client eating about a gig of it just sitting in station)
I actually just went and looked up the specs on the gts 450, and the damn thing runs off of a gig of ram, and even now retails for about 120bucks. Come on, now you're just being silly.
Astenion wrote: It's not poorly optimized; sure, there was some code that needed improvement that gave people errors, but that's with every patch. No, the fact of the matter is that dumbasses want cutting edge graphics that will run on a ******* abacus with no problems.
Eve was actually fairly well known for being just that for the longest time. It had amazing graphics with very small system requirements. Now it has decent graphics with very high system requirements. Progress.
Astenion wrote: Well, they can wish in one hand and sh!t in the other and see which one gets filled first. The fact that this was ever even an issue is another example that everyone who complains about Incarna's problems needs to seriously GTFO. It's one thing to complain about serious bugs and such, but slagging CCP as a whole because the players are too poor/stupid/both to upgrade the components of their hobby like EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY DOES simply means they are just oxygen to carbon dioxide converters. If you can't afford to upgrade your computer, then maybe you have much bigger problems that you're neglecting as it is. (Not you, just "you" in the second person)
Again, you're looking at it as though it's the one central problem people have with incarna. The people who think like this are a small subset of the people who dislike incarna; for most of us it's just one of many problems (I personally dislike that it used to be easier to run 10 clients than it currently is to run 2, but that's not my main reason for disliking the update)
And how has hardware requirements going up never been an issue? The last time CCP did it people got really pissy, but at least then the reasoning was sound (new skins for literally everything, and not having time to make 2 skins for each ship they release) and the graphics were actually updated in a way that made most people say holy **** that's insane. Now they've done it again, while completely neglecting a mountain of changes people have been asking for, with no real benefit to the space part of internet spaceships, and for an addition that, let's be honest, is a pathetic excuse of an expansion.
CCP: OK guys, we've just spent the last year working on this new expansion, it's going to totally revolutionize the way you play eve! Players: Really? What is it? CCP: We're going to let you get out of your ship! Players: Wow! So we can go and chill in stations with our corp and stuff? CCP: Well, no, there is no multiplayer aspect to this expansion, and you can only walk around one generic room, but there's going to be all kinds of stuff to do in that room, like look at a screen! Or sit on a sofa! We're even going to be including a hallway! Oh, one small thing though; this revolutionary change might melt your graphics card, because of all the amazing things it will now have to render, like that wall, or that rail, or that sofa.
Astenion wrote: They can all go die in a fire...they contribute absolutely nothing to this community or this game.
Are we talking about people complaining or CCP? |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.10.01 21:30:00 -
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Still Spinning!!!!!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.10.01 21:55:00 -
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Astenion wrote:No.
Poorly optimized? Really? I have a 5 year old desktop with an nVidia GTS 450, 3 gigs of RAM and a dual core 3 gig processor and it runs flawlessly. FLAWLESSLY. Both CPU and GPU have never gone over 50 degrees Celsius with the game graphics on full blast. I assume you are running one client?
my 2.5 year old desktop (Phenom X4 920, Radeon HD 4850, 8GB RAM) is able to handle 3 clients in space just fine but I experience very noticeable framerate drops with 2 clients running CQ. (To the point that I actually started looking into upgrading the graphics card because I don't like staring at the door and CQ just felt unplayable - but I don't want to spend money on a top of the line card yet and the 4850 still compares quite nicely to the more affordable models)
Given how CCP promotes running multiple accounts through both game mechanics (cynos) and promotions (power of 2) their stance of "hey, look our minimum specs are actually quite reasonable - if you want to run 2 clients you are obviously doing sth wrong" is not credible. |

Lester Knight Chaykin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:03:00 -
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Good. Anyway i want to remind you all that CCP promised a better version of the 'ship spinning', an amazing new version and that was the reason why it was taking so long to put it back into the game.
Now.... this is exactly what we had already, so: CCP, where you lying or what? |

dischordia
Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:04:00 -
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Just a point ... been doing some testing on sisi and the temp of my graphics card stays the same in ship spinning or the CQ, also as of yet there is no way i can see of getting the ship spinning up with the load station environment aka "door" button unchecked |

o mf g
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:04:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Mutie DaPig wrote:Seriously - is this really a good thing?? Who cares?? No kidding, especially considering you could always just UNDOCK and spin away. Total waste of time, worse giving into something that doesn't make sense from a Product Management perspective is a bad sign in the big picture, it indicates the company doesn't have a clear design direction.
Apparently the average EVE player is a mouth breathing ****** who get's off on spinning a camera around a set of pixels and calling it ship spinning while criticizing anyone who isn't also getting off on the exact same thing because they like 'other non-important pixels'. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
186
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Posted - 2011.10.01 22:05:00 -
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Astenion wrote:
Haha no, I'm just sick of all the people slagging on Incarna, saying it "blew up their computer" when they were moronically using a laptop to play a graphics-intensive video game. It's not 2003 anymore and this isn't WoW.
I have a laptop and a desktop, but I'm not ******** enough to attempt to play Eve with all its new updates on it.
These people are the Eve version of the Tea Party.
Tea Partiers are self reliant, pay their bills, save money, spend it wisely, and demand the govenrment do the same. What you're desribing sounds more like your average broke ass, cracked-out, hoodie-wearing welfare dependant parasite. Those tend to be Democrats.
Oh and I have a very high end computer and I play Eve at max settings. But two Incarna environments runs like ****, and I shouldn't have to put up with that just to trade cargo. |
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