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Tanthalassa
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Posted - 2013.08.30 02:50:00 -
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Rhes wrote:CCP wasted two years on that crap and the game almost died because of it. Anybody asking for CCP to intentionally kill their game should be banned. Stop posting this garbage.
Nobody is asking CCP to kill the game. The only reason Incarna "almost killed" the game is that shitstorm caused by their "greed is good" leak, and overall Incarna content delivery.
But if they did it right it would be just fine and maybe we'd be sitting in bars right now, playing cards or pool while chugging Quafes, and tossing ISK at exotic dancers.
That would bring so many more players in(fresh meat for veterans) and would actually turned into profits for CCP - instead of them having to cut down on the crew size.
But now we have players like you who get paralyzed in fear of any innovation or anything new brought into the game. You are one of those who is going to intentionally this game. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 03:42:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Tanthalassa wrote:The only reason Incarna "almost killed" the game is that shitstorm caused by their "greed is good" leak, and overall Incarna content delivery. That was just the match that lit the flame. The fuel for the fire was the two years of wasted development time spent on WiS nonsense. Keep crying how it's waste of development time, because it will make sure it is a waste, since CCP is scared to even mention WiS anymore.
Enjoy your ship/module iterations :) +1% here/-1% there. That is all you will get as "expansions" now. |
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:42:00 -
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The thing is all that negative posting and unnecessary name-calling by Rhes brings anything related to WiS on front forum page, where CCP can see how many ppl actually care about it.
Actually, I think he is the biggest WiS fan.
In other words, thanks for all the bumps from us, "furries," Rhes  |
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Posted - 2013.09.14 14:23:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:For now 10 years EVE with p2p model with this playerbase is doing ok. I don't see f2p model forced down on us in near future. And somehow i am not afraid about the future of eve, will it be f2p or p2p.  I don't think Eve needs to have its model changed to f2p. I rather think it has to stay p2p. Eve has been p2p for too long to switch now.
I think main concern about switching to f2p is that no matter what - some nex items will end up being pay2win.
There are some f2p games that are less pay2win so to speak, but in the end it's "pay2win" anyway.
What Eve really needs is some microtransaction boost for its further development. People who keep screaming WiS as concept should die are practically demanding that CCP scrap all the work done in those "2 years that they ignored real Eve." I think this player base could be more supportive. |
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:24:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:
Why you're so vehemently and reflexively against it I have no idea.
I think i know.
C'mon Rhes, reveal your inner beast |
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Posted - 2013.09.15 16:28:00 -
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Davon Mandra'thin wrote:CCP have already said that any Avatar game play will have to be in the true spirit of Eve. Avatar game play should be in spirit of Eve as a whole.
I'm sure most of us would rather see it this way. Carebears including. It would not make sense to dock in a lowsec station and have a Quafe at the same bar as any local while expecting nothing to happen. Sure, capsuleers could pay a fee for their protection if they take that option to open the door that separates their safe quarters from hostile station environment. It could be mercs/station security bots. Could be Concord security bots in highsec, which in case of wardec would "suddenly" decide not to interfere in capsuleer affairs, unless you pay extra fee. And so on and so forth.
I am sure many similar ideas were discussed by CCP design teams or suggested by players before.
Problem is any extensive avatar gameplay would probably require as much resources (financial & dev team size wise) required as a separate game. What CCP should've done is work on WiS as a separate game instead of spending so much on DUST, which is not a good enough to compete in harsh FPS market.
WiS could be fully tied into exploration, which would involve exploration in first place and not a boring deus ex rip off minigame.
If WiS were implemented it should not hinder eve, rather should boost interaction between not only players but with the game client itself. That means there should be much better interface. CQ in current form doesn't provide that and it is one of many reasons most people prefer staying in ship hangar anyway.
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Posted - 2013.09.16 07:06:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:
Except that walking in stations, by definition, is part of Eve, so developing it as a separate game doesn't make sense. Incarna was developed by a somewhat different team from the rest of Eve but the players still saw it as resources that 'should have been spent on in-space features'.
The problems with Incarna had more to do with releasing an incomplete feature set with poor PR handling than with a lack of prior excitement for the feature.
Fully featured WiS development would be main reason for separating it from Eve. Of course it is just a matter of perspective what "fully featured" is. For me would it inclusion of exploration, not only a bar or custom textured sofa in CQ.
And then I would see it only separated in a sense that you could ignore it - like we can exit CQ right now - so people who are so vehemently opposed to RP and etc could have that option.
Right now we have way too many options of features that require so called "iterations." If current "WiS"(WiCQ rather) gets that iteration, it better be something good, unlike that exploration minigame, or debatable eye candy of a warp animation.
Mostly it is about getting a complete feature vs getting something that we'll have to sit and wait on getting fixed for the next decade. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:47:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The problem is having that content appeal to everyone which isn't gonna happen any time soon. It is not a problem of content. It's a problem with people, who as a whole aren't ever going to be pleased. The ones that hate the idea of WiS making it into Eve, who are most vocal about it hurt this game more than that "incarna" release fail. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:01:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:this may have been said here already, my apologies if so...but...ccp should make the game they want. and there will be those of us that play it. and those of us that don't. i, for one, am pretty happy with what they do. avatar gameplay would be great. but it's more of an icing on the cake thing. i won't stop playing if there is no avatar content. i might play more if there were...but my sub doesn't rest on the presence of that sort gameplay.
Eve is 10 years old. It hit 500k subscriptions, which is quite low, considering amount of alt accounts (many of which are bots). I think Eve deserves better. CCP devs deserve better. A couple of them left CCP recently, and while everyone keeps saying it is normal, I'd like to disagree. Eve is not dying, it is stagnating.
The bug fixes, rebalancing get to be called expansions.
WiS on the other hand could bring lots of many players, while not necessarily modifying or killing core gameplay.
Plus I do think they wanted to deliver the content, otherwise trailers like this would not exist. Unless it's just a misleading fluff. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:36:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Tanthalassa wrote:considering amount of alt accounts (many of which are bots). Also most accounts in Eve are not bots, that claim is silly. many =/= most . |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:16:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:The claim is still silly. There's never been any proof of more than a minor botting problem in Eve. Just because you don't see how someone could possibly sit around doing missions, mining Eh, this is MMO. Closing the eyes on the problem won't fix it. Botting isn't as rampant as it used to be for sure - thanks to RMT taking big hit due to plex - but it is not gone either.
Though in regard of the other stuff you kind of nailed it. Fixing pve aspect of eve would be nice. I.E. making it more engaging. |
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Posted - 2013.09.21 01:51:00 -
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Rhes wrote:The problem with space Barbie enthusiasts is they can't see any other way for Eve to expand other than WiS and that's just narrowminded.
Sorry, buddy, but that's you who's narrowminded here.
All you do in every your post is spam the same thing: "WiS caused fallout in eve," "space barbies"(going as low as calling people "furries", while saying p2p(or switch to p2p with microtransactions due to WiS implementation) would kill eve.
1). WiS wasn't released. The demo version of it was neither WiS, nor Incarna. The preview of WiS - sure. Preview of poor release and poor addition of microtransactions - sure.
You keep ignoring these comments, and you were told this multiple times.
2). Barbies and furries stay in 2nd Life. You clearly overplayed that game, since these silly insults just cannot disappear from this thread for some reason.
Eve doesn't need to reinvent the wheel - whomever needs dance parties can go to 2nd life - what eve needs is good model that would facilitate interaction between players. Just in case you forgot - that doesn't mean we need to have dance parties.
All we need is a nice mechanic. For instance: I would love to be able to go to my locator agent office, track your stubborn Rhes ass, so I could sneak up on you in dark alley (some rusty station environment) and beat the pulp out of your character with my knee high boots(purchased from Nex store coincidentally). Then I could open a nearby waste disposal hatchet to trash your useless Biomass.
Now.. The stuff from Nex store shouldn't provide any advantage other than make my avatar look classy.
It would be just an additional revenue for CCP. Some people are quite willing to spend cash. SC is one of many many examples. CCP deserves a good piece of that pie imo.
But - the game stays sub-based, while micro-transactions provide additional ISK sink.
People who are willing to spend on eyecandy - it can be a fancy suit , shoes, whatever piece of gear that provides a character distinctive memorable look - will buy more Plex. More bought Plex - more cash for CCP, more money for development. |
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Posted - 2013.09.21 02:33:00 -
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Rhes wrote:
The problem is that the space barbie crowd won't be satisfied with more clothes. Next they will want more emotes, then dance parties, then full on furry sex dungeons. The nonsense will never stop.
Does it mean that evil space barbies would make you participate? Or would it be too hard for you to resist the urge to join those dungeons?
Also if they are charged good amt for those emotes and fluff - more money for ccp to work on spaceships, right? |
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Posted - 2013.09.21 03:08:00 -
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Rhes wrote:
No the problem is the development time and money spent on emotes and sex dungeons. It's time and money that's not spent on real Eve gameplay.
You are the one insisting on that they would develop this anyway. The laws in Iceland would not allow it probably, since they seek to outlaw **** already.
But is this really all you can come up with? If they don't include furries or whatever "possible" sexual content that you came up with so far, - which for some mysterious reason would be included in WiS - does it mean you really would have noting against WiS?
I gave you my small version of how avatar interaction could look like. But you sound like a broken vinyl record.
Show me on this doll where 2nd life furries touched you. |
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:33:00 -
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There's also a possibility that CCP simply denies that it has any plans for WiS for one simple reason - the cries and sheer amount of rage as a result of the like of Rhes and Co. That WiS demo cost them 20% layoffs, but if nothing is released in relation to avatar game play, they'll still retain plenty of customers, simply because of people being attached to the characters. The skill system is ideal in that regard.
Then again if they still continued working on WiS or anything related, noone should expect it coming any time Soon(TM) or any amount of Soon(TM)s for that matter
Even before reading those employee reviews everyone playing Eve for some time should know that this game developer loves to "reinvent the wheel."
They won't tell us whether they are scraping WiS development or not, because they want both opponents and proponents subbed for the most time.
As long as there's any hope left for both sides of the argument it is a win-win for CCP. |
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:17:00 -
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Ariel Dawn wrote:WiS/Incarna like stuff however is needed in order to keep EVE relevant and prevent it from becoming stagnant. Ship balancing for the last 2 years has been nice, but in terms of game-change mechanics that keep players interested in their product, new stuff has been very, very minimal. Refinement can only go so far.<...> A single room with no player interaction was a flop; if they had introduced bars, mini-games or relevant activities along side of it then it would have been a completely different ball game. The way I see it, CCP cornered themselves by promising "free" expansions.
Now, proper released Incarna/WiS would cost 'em quite a penny. Nobody wants to work for free, all while we certainly wouldn't mind to have it free of charge.
Whatever they are willing to provide as an expansion is very different from our desires. That includes everybody here - not only WiS proponents. The game patches that include iterations or whatever recycled content are doable for them, sure.
But to get away from the "free of charge" yet true expansions they spread the content around different platforms. "Dust to dust" was released in attempt to bring in micro-transactions. But the connection to Dust in Eve looked like another minigame. Just as PI or hacking minigames.
What they could do with WiS, is release it as optional content, fully integrated with Eve, but charge for it through Plex.
If it was quality content and not halfway done feature, it could actually work. |
Tanthalassa
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:46:00 -
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There is too much bitterness in this thread.
It is understandable. Sure, CCP didn't keep the promises about WiS(not only that either), and expansions seem to look weak (patches rather,) especially in comparison to SC hype and actual delivery on that "front."
But I think it's about time there's some healthy competition for Eve. Developers here got spoiled imo, they feel too cosy in this "niche."
I do hope SC succeeds, so Eve gets shaken somewhat.
Eve certainly is not dying. Stagnating? Yep, it is about time for **** to get stirred up. |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 02:39:00 -
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Oh really? Would you like to provide some evidence for this claim?
Heavy spam of the Power of 2 is by far most likely the reason, which fueled basic requirement to multibox (or at least have multiple accounts) to succeed in this game.
Eve actual subscriber number could easily be only 2/3 of that 500k, due everyone and their grandma having alt accounts.
About the chart... Stop advertising 2nd Life. Don't they have a one account restriction per person in there? I wonder where 800k true sub number is coming from? *starts reeling*
P.S. Rhes, that's a fishing pole ^ |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:09:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Alt accounts are regular accounts as far as CCP's accountants are concerned. Also, if people are purchasing additional accounts it means they are enjoying the game and the direction it's heading. Nope. For instance, I am hardly satisfied with direction, yet I have an extra account, because playing with just one is practically playing gimped.
Rhes wrote:The point is that there is no proof that neglecting real Eve content again to add more roleplaying nonsense would increase subs in any meaningful number while there is a ton of proof (namely the Summer of Rage) that the opposite is true. Would you explain why you associate WiS with "roleplaying nonsence" only?
The only proof that was brought by "summer of rage" is that:
Roime wrote:<...>Overreacting, hysteric herdmental basement dwellers with entitlement issues gone full ****** is what almost destroyed the game, luckily all they achieved was a broken pixel statue.
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Posted - 2013.09.28 06:01:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:
Flip the record brah, that side is gettin too scratched...
Yep, the record skips too much. The most fun stuff - the drivel about the furries - got damaged clearly. |
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Posted - 2013.11.29 20:40:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:When it comes to devtime, I could scream - like many others - that I'm a paying customer and I shall demand the rope be pulled my way, no matter what insensible idiocy I happen to be spouting out. <...>
They know more about time management, company resources and strategy than we do. Sides, while those are CCP products - I do believe they're actually developed by a different team than the one working on EVE.
Maybe it should also occur to you that there're plenty of paying customers here also, here in this very thread about avatar content and everything related to it.
You really think the resources are managed well enough? Wonder what all the other project teams are funded by... Your precious "spaceships only" Eve, which received "oh so much" attention from development team lately (Fozzie and Rise were hired from playerbase directly.)
But it's not like your Trii Seo wrote:insensible idiocy I happen to be spouting out is affecting their decision, but rather CCP's way investing in Dust, WoD and Valkyrie plus whatever other yet unannounced projects. Potentially Eve could be oh so much more even if it were only about spaceships.
But we did pay for Eve, and it's their money now. Their master-plan of people hooked to skill queue online pays well  |
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